Some Canon EOS 6D Mark II Talk [CR2]

Canon Rumors said:
A bit more information has floated in about the upcoming Canon EOS 6D Mark II, a camera we expect to be announced after NAB in April and before the summer months.</p>
<p>These are few things we’ve been told about the camera.</p>
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<li>All new sensor
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<li>We’re told it’s likely going to be 28mp, though the source doesn’t know if that’s total or effective megapixels.</li>
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</li>
<li>Dual SD slots</li>
<li>Tilting LCD</li>
<li>Touchscreen</li>
<li>DIGIC 7</li>
<li>Aiming for a sub $2000 USD body only price</li>
<li>DPAF</li>
<li>There has apparently been a lot of internal discussion about the video features and it’s likely we’ll see the camera shoot 4K in some capacity.</li>
<li>Wifi, NFC & Wireless charging</li>
<li>Larger viewfinder</li>
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<p>We expect to start hearing a lot more about the EOS 6D Mark II in the coming months.</p>
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Now if it has better DR and high iso capabilities than my 5D4 I'm all in :)
 
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testthewest said:
This could be the thing Canon invested people like myself have waited for! I could even see this becoming more popular with the professionals than the 5DIV.

Never. The "professionals" will still go for the most expensive stuff.
That said, I hope those rumors are true as well. That's the cam I want.
 
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Sounds good...
I still have my 5D III...I am just going to wait for the 5DIV's gray market, busted up kits, or whatever until the price is on eBay or wherever at $2000. There should be some of those opportunities in the coming year. I am very happy with my 5DIII so I am in no hurry..... 8)
 
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docsmith said:
Great list of specs. In addition to the AF, the other main question in my mind is ergonomics. Joystick and better back wheel please....

But, if I were to guess where the 6DII will be "nerfed" it is:
  • Quantity of AF Points. I am thinking 18-25
  • Quality of AF points. EV-3, only center is f/8, fewer are cross, etc.
  • Body. Build quality, weather sealing, etc
  • Ergonomics. No joy stick, lower quality wheel, fewer buttons (I actually use most on my 5DIII)
  • No 4K video. It would be a surprise.

If the rumored spec list is true, upgrade in sensor tech from 1Dx II, 5DIV, etc carries over and it is limited in the above ways, I would still be tempted. Biggest limitations to me will be the f/8 AF points and the ergonomics. I very much enjoy shooting my 5DIII. I'd hate to give up the joystick, wheel, etc.
Im thinking at a minimum it needs 45 points just like the 80D
 
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ahsanford said:
docsmith said:
If the rumored spec list is true, upgrade in sensor tech from 1Dx II, 5DIV, etc carries over and it is limited in the above ways, I would still be tempted. Biggest limitations to me will be the f/8 AF points and the ergonomics. I very much enjoy shooting my 5DIII. I'd hate to give up the joystick, wheel, etc.

Great point -- it's poll time. 5D3 owners who skipped the 5D4 only, please:

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=31726.0

- A

While I no longer qualify(!) for this poll as I did end up picking up a 4, it's still a question I may consider as I still use my 5D3. I haven't given it up partially because I actually love having a camera I can go to and worry less about something happening to it (given that it's older equipment). Plus IMO there's not enough of an IQ difference between the two cameras to render the 3 obsolete...

So what does this have to do with the 6D2 - well, it has run though my head that if enough of the improvements made from 5D3-5D4 "trickle down" to the 6D2 in a smaller form factor, and the price is right, I'm not going to rule out doing a 5D3-6D2 move. My only feature wish that I have not yet seen mentioned in the rumors would be for a pop up flash, which could save even more space. Also depends on what AF system they decide to put in - I really like the 5D3/5D4 61-point system and would be hesitant to downgrade on a critical feature like that.
 
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All new sensor
We’re told it’s likely going to be 28mp, though the source doesn’t know if that’s total or effective megapixels.
Dual SD slots
Tilting LCD
Touchscreen
DIGIC 7
Aiming for a sub $2000 USD body only price
DPAF
There has apparently been a lot of internal discussion about the video features and it’s likely we’ll see the camera shoot 4K in some capacity.
Wifi, NFC & Wireless charging
Larger viewfinder

28MP fits with the differences between the 6D & 5D MKIII.
Dual SD slots is a good move
Tilting LCD thats touch screen would be a good move
Digic 7 good
DPAF
4K interesting to see how this compares to the 5D MKIV

I would add it needs 45 AF points and 7560 RGB-IR metering system like the 80D which in many ways its the full-frame version of. That would go some way to justify a $ 2K body price / Euro 2.1K / £ 2K body price which is double in the UK the 80D price.
 
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ahsanford said:
docsmith said:
If the rumored spec list is true, upgrade in sensor tech from 1Dx II, 5DIV, etc carries over and it is limited in the above ways, I would still be tempted. Biggest limitations to me will be the f/8 AF points and the ergonomics. I very much enjoy shooting my 5DIII. I'd hate to give up the joystick, wheel, etc.

Great point -- it's poll time. 5D3 owners who skipped the 5D4 only, please:

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=31726.0

Why limit to 5D MKIII owners? Surely they should consider the 5D MKIV otherwise they will go backwards with some features. Makes more sense to ask 6D users (Im one) and based on this speculative spec. and if the AF is bumped up to at least 45AF points & the 7650 RGB-IR metering employed Im in as a 6D replacement (its my second camera to the 5DS).

- A
 
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jeffa4444 said:
ahsanford said:
docsmith said:
If the rumored spec list is true, upgrade in sensor tech from 1Dx II, 5DIV, etc carries over and it is limited in the above ways, I would still be tempted. Biggest limitations to me will be the f/8 AF points and the ergonomics. I very much enjoy shooting my 5DIII. I'd hate to give up the joystick, wheel, etc.

Great point -- it's poll time. 5D3 owners who skipped the 5D4 only, please:

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=31726.0

Why limit to 5D MKIII owners? Surely they should consider the 5D MKIV otherwise they will go backwards with some features. Makes more sense to ask 6D users (Im one) and based on this speculative spec. and if the AF is bumped up to at least 45AF points & the 7650 RGB-IR metering employed Im in as a 6D replacement (its my second camera to the 5DS).

- A

First, if you can write > 1000 posts here, you can learn to quote. ;D

Second, I am fully aware that all sorts of people upgrade to Canon's FF rigs, but I specifically wanted to pick the brain of people in my situation: 5D3 owners that didn't snap up a 5D4. Are they sitting this entire cycle out, are they waiting up until the 6D2 specs formally drop to make a 6D2 vs 5D4 decision, etc.?

It's a selfish question, I admit, but I find it an interesting one to poll the forum with.

- A
 
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ahsanford said:
NorbR said:
Tilty touchscreen and DPAF in a full frame camera under $2k... Yes please !

Now I'll wait to see if the interchangeable focussing screen is still there. It's the only reason I'm keeping my 6D at the moment, and I'd probably have to keep it a bit longer if Canon took that option out of the 6D2.

And I don't mean to take something away from the 6D camp like I'm the grinch, but I simply fail to understand why a critical element of working with higher end MF lenses (by no means a beginner's need) was given to the 6D camp and withheld from 5D3 and now 5D4. I recall Canon spoke to the transparent (translucent) overlay with the 5D3 VF as a reason why it could not be changed out, but not being able to use an MF screen seems like a nontrivial unmet need.

I am truly curious to see if the 6D2 keeps this feature.

- A

Due to it being One Shot oriented and not AI Servo?
 
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No smaller body? Still, these specs sound very very good to me. Too bad, that it is not a FF mirrorless. I now have the M5 since a few days and I'm really happy (have sold my old 6D for that).

Bottom line is; I will skip the 6DII and use my M5, till Canon will offer a FF mirrorless body. I don't want to buy into DSLRs ever again, after I had the M5 in my hands.
 
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slclick said:
Due to it being One Shot oriented and not AI Servo?

Not necessarily -- I just feel that a 5D product should be able to say (within reason) 'anything a 6D product can do, I can do as well and then some'. This can never categorically be true as these kinds of products can't be released in the same timeframe, but the principle is still sound here.

Why should a 6D get a 1DX-level feature (interchangeable screens) and the entire 5D line is locked out from it? Help me understand that.

- A
 
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ahsanford said:
slclick said:
Due to it being One Shot oriented and not AI Servo?

Not necessarily -- I just feel that a 5D product should be able to say (within reason) 'anything a 6D product can do, I can do as well and then some'. This can never categorically be true as these kinds of products can't be released in the same timeframe, but the principle is still sound here.

Why should a 6D get a 1DX-level feature (interchangeable screens) and the entire 5D line is locked out from it? Help me understand that.

- A

I like different! I don't feel everything has to be a lesser version of each more expensive thing.
 
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IF it is announced early enough and IF it's price is around or not much more than the 7d2 it is something i will seriously consider depending on two things. While i know it's AF system won't compete with a 7d2 it might still be worth it with an 80d style setup AF wise. And IF the dual sd slots rumour is true it could be very tempting.i would epect the same articulating screen as the enthusiast cameras as the 6d does not have the left hand side buttons to prevent this.don't care about 4k. Actually i would be happier without it as it would keep the price down. But either way. If it is not announced by april it won't matter for me and a 7d2 it will be.
 
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Aussie shooter said:
IF it is announced early enough and IF it's price is around or not much more than the 7d2 it is something i will seriously consider depending on two things. While i know it's AF system won't compete with a 7d2 it might still be worth it with an 80d style setup AF wise. And IF the dual sd slots rumour is true it could be very tempting.i would epect the same articulating screen as the enthusiast cameras as the 6d does not have the left hand side buttons to prevent this.don't care about 4k. Actually i would be happier without it as it would keep the price down. But either way. If it is not announced by april it won't matter for me and a 7d2 it will be.

Hi Aussie shooter,

I currently own both the 6D and the 7D II and I use each of them for totally different styles of photography. The 6D gives me incredible photos and are usually very sharp with little noise. Usually it is quite easy to clean up the noise unless the photo was taken when it was dark outside.

The 7D II is absolutely the most fun camera I have ever photographed with, but I have always been disappointed with the noise levels. When the light is good and I am using a lens of f/2.8 or better, the camera gives me pretty good photos, but with my 400mm f/5.6 lens attached, even in good light there is quite a bit of work to do to clean up the noise. Had I been able to afford one, I think I would have been happier with a 5D III.
 
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Tilting LCD!!! No more neck strain for ground-level macro!
I will be interested to see how the sensor fares.
The 6D classic is a great camera for "basics" and for manual focus mavens. I like being able to use the superfine focusing screen.
 
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It'll never be a sports camera so the number of AF points don't matter (as tracking is unnecessary) as much as their quality. The 6D only had single outer focus points so i ended up only using the center point for reliability. The spread layout wasn't the issue before if they were cross type points so i just hope theres some damn cross type points spread out! regardless if its a brick wall of points or just a few

Digic 7 would be interesting if it gives the cleanest high iso jpeg processing of all, above current digic 6. The 6D was cleaner than the 5D3, the 1DX was cleaner than both, but then the 1DX2 made no improvement in iso. Who knows its possible the 6D2 could equal the 1DX2 or surpass. The 5D3 was way below 1DX high iso quality yet the 5D4 is almost as good as 1DX2, so anything's possible as they're not keeping their same strong difference this generation. Sucks as i wanted my 1dx2 to be amazing

I'm looking forward to it as it may be the lightest and only ff dpaf canon for video as my 1dx2 is tiring one handed on a glidecam! so weight reduction is apprecaited
 
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The main feature missing for me in the 6D is a clean HDMI output. Not even bothered about headphone out or anti-aliasing filter but the lack of a clean output makes it difficult to use external monitors. It would be nice to hook up to a waveform/focus peaking monitor (btw, I've had several issues with Magic Lantern so I don't use it). Also monitor recorders aren't useable with the 6D - I'm sure this was intentional to encourage DSLR filmmakers into purchase the 5D III though. I honestly don't get the point of an HDMI out if it's not clean - plugging directly into a TV isn't a deal breaker imo. Not holding my breath for this feature in the 6D II.
 
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