Some Canon Mirrorless Talk [CR2]

[Canon Rumors]

Lost in the anticipation of the EOS 5D Mark IV announcement in August, is the likelihood of new EOS M camera(s) in the fall for Photokina. We’ve been told that there will definitely be 2 ILC EOS M cameras announced before the end of 2016.</p>
<p>One of the cameras that will be announced is a follow-up to the EOS M3 which was announced in February of 2015 and didn’t make its way to North America until October of 2015. The new camera we’re told will be equipped with the new sensor from the EOS 80D and will see “minor” ergonomic changes.</p>
<p>The second camera, which may actually be announced first will be Canon’s first “prosumer” focused mirrorless camera. Two sources have said that the camera will use a newly designed 24mp full frame image sensor. This camera will be designed to use EF lenses, but how that’s going to be done is presently unknown to us. Details beyond that are quite fuzzy, but we’re pressing for more.</p>
<p>We haven’t heard anything more about a fixed lens full frame camera from Canon, but we hope that’s coming as well.</p>
<p>Expect 3 to 5 new EF-M lenses to be announced before the close of the year. There will be faster prime lenses along with new zooms, but nothing beyond 300mm.</p>
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[pedro]

Is it too vague to take a guess that the rumored 6DII could probably see its 24 MP mirrorless debut?

 

[d]

Very interesting...I am eager to see what an EF compatible FF mirrorless would look like.

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[Chaitanya]

Hoping atleast one of those two has DPAF sensor.

 

[pedro]

It might as well be the 5DIV...who knows. 5DII pioneered video in DSLRs. 5D series could pioneer Canon's full frame mirrorless. Or will we see another diversification where Canon keep the 5D series as DSLRs and add a new FF mirrorless to their camera body line up?

 

[Foxdude]

Very, very interesting. FF mirrorless with EF mount, and new fast primes. I think I need to start save some coins 8)
Interested also M3 successor. We will wait.

 

[lw]

Another year, another false dawn...

Ever since I bought my original M back in 2012, every year there has been the rumour of a 'prosumer' M, and vague promises and commitments from Canon execs that they are committed to the M series. Every year it is going to get a DP sensor... Every year there are going to be more and more lenses...

Every year I have been let down and the rumours have been shown to be false.

What is different this time? Nothing.

Not until there is a physical prosumer M in someone's hands will I believe anything about the M...

 

[pedro]

Another year, another false dawn...

Ever since I bought my original M back in 2012, every year there has been the rumour of a 'prosumer' M, and vague promises and commitments from Canon execs that they are committed to the M series. Every year it is going to get a DP sensor... Every year there are going to be more and more lenses...

Every year I have been let down and the rumours have been shown to be false.

What is different this time? Nothing.

Not until there is a physical prosumer M in someone's hands will I believe anything about the M...

This might be your year then... ;D

 

[crashpc]

Sounds good enaugh for me. 2 grand of very free money waiting for some usable Canon MILC. 80D sensor is about acceptable upgrade. I would prefer new one, non DPAF, 28-30Mpx piece with on-chip ADC.

 

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One of the cameras that will be announced is a follow-up to the EOS M3 which was announced in February of 2015 and didn’t make its way to North America until October of 2015. The new camera we’re told will be equipped with the new sensor from the EOS 80D and will see “minor” ergonomic changes.

If the ergonomic changes involves an intergrated EVF and the sensor gets to keep the DPAF then the Ms might be going places. I don't belive in mirrorless with the EF mount.

 

[1Zach1]

Loved my M, wish it were still functioning. I would love faster AF, better battery life, integrated intervalometer, while still staying small in footprint. An integrated EVF would be great but I think that's a bridge too far without pushing the camera size too large for what I want it for.

 

[Loswr]

Looking forward to the new M with the 80D sensor, and to new EF-M lenses. Hope the M body stats small, no EVF please. Expect we'll see an M macro and a longer 'fast' prime (50/2?). Just picked up the M55-200.

Not sure we'll see a FF MILC, but maybe so if it's a 6D-M.

 

[jebrady03]

Sounds good enaugh for me. 2 grand of very free money waiting for some usable Canon MILC. 80D sensor is about acceptable upgrade. I would prefer new one, non DPAF, 28-30Mpx piece with on-chip ADC.

Why wouldn't you want DPAF? There's no downside to it, only upside, including VERY fast focusing, as seen in the 80D. Also, if they just transplant the 80D sensor into an M, it'll have on-sensor ADC. MP will be less than you desire, but not by much.

 

[Pitbullo]

I am wondering how they implement the FF mirrorless with the EF mount. One idea is, instead of having an adapter letting you use EF lenses, it could be in reverse. The adapter would be a part of the camera, fully implemented, so the mirrorless camera would have an EF mount. However, once the number of FF ML lenses increase, one can remove the EF part of the mount, leaving you with the mount for mirrorless.
Does this makes sense? Removing a part that is a natural part of the body to get to the mirrorless mount instead of adding an adapter making the camera body bulky and oddly shaped.

 

[colinu]

I am currently happily using a 60D, but was toying with upgrading to an 80D. I have also been considering moving to full frame. I can see advantages to going mirrorless, but I would want controls similar to what a DSLR has, and a first-rate EVF. Any purchase is on hold until either the first price drop on the 80D, or more light is shed on these potential releases.

 

[j-nord]

It might as well be the 5DIV...who knows. 5DII pioneered video in DSLRs. 5D series could pioneer Canon's full frame mirrorless. Or will we see another diversification where Canon keep the 5D series as DSLRs and add a new FF mirrorless to their camera body line up?

No way it would be the 5DIV unless its a mirrorless body released in parrallel with the dslr body. Too many pro applications where current EVF wont cut it.

 

[colinu]

I am wondering how they implement the FF mirrorless with the EF mount.

To my mind it would be extremely simple for Canon to modify an existing body for mirrorless. If you start with the premise that it is compatible only with EF lens (not EF-S or EF-M), then you would have an abundance of space in an existing Full Frame body. The sensor would sit where it currently does, but no mirrorbox is needed. In addition to reducing noise, wouldn't the removal of any mirror slap also be a benefit?The pentaprism for the optical viewfinder would also be omitted. This would give additional space for electronics to be shifted about. I would think you would have more empty space, for batteries, storage or external connections.

 

[crashpc]

Sounds good enaugh for me. 2 grand of very free money waiting for some usable Canon MILC. 80D sensor is about acceptable upgrade. I would prefer new one, non DPAF, 28-30Mpx piece with on-chip ADC.

Why wouldn't you want DPAF? There's no downside to it, only upside, including VERY fast focusing, as seen in the 80D. Also, if they just transplant the 80D sensor into an M, it'll have on-sensor ADC. MP will be less than you desire, but not by much.

See high ISO speed performance. Compared to the Sony fabs heading to sub 100nm even for FF sensors, Canon is doing 500/180nm, and 80D is effectively 50Mpx sensor, so to speak. This is quite problem for old technologies, and while it is somehow offset by microlenses on top of it, it is not absolute solution. I´d rather use higher true resolution, and keep slow focusing. I don´t mind it. Of course, if the M4 gets 80D sensor, I am about to buy it. What else can I do about it, right? :-D

 

[Luds34]

Another year, another false dawn...

Ever since I bought my original M back in 2012, every year there has been the rumour of a 'prosumer' M, and vague promises and commitments from Canon execs that they are committed to the M series. Every year it is going to get a DP sensor... Every year there are going to be more and more lenses...

I tend to try and be a bit more optimistic, however there is much truth to what you say. However, this maybe is finally, really the year it happens.

We all know a DPAF is an excellent sensor for the mirroless M. If this rumor is true it will be "about time". The minor tweak to ergonomics concerns me as I read that as saying "no integrated EVF" and I know an integrated EVF is a must for many people, myself included.

As for the full frame mirrorless? I'm sketpical. However, reading it will take existing EF glass and knowing how conservative Canon is I imagine it will be basically the same DSLR body style we are use to. I could see it basically being a mirrorless 6D mark II and could come out the same time as the DSLR 6D mark II, with some new marketing name of course.

 

[Etienne]

Now I'm starting to feel the anticipation of 2016: 5D mk IV, EOS-M4, Full-frame mirrorless, new EF-M-mount primes, new EF lenses. And the C100 mk III can't be far behind all of this.
Now I KNOW I don't have enough money.