Specifications & Images of the Upcoming Canon Lenses

[privatebydesign]

Re: Specifications & Images of the Upcoming Canon Lenses - RT on flash photo

I can see advantages for both solutions, the Nikon way makes using one to four heads very easy, sure you can switch one Canon one off but that isn't the same. But the Canon method makes battery management much easier and the heads lighter.

The 50 TS-E will take a 25mm tube and get you close to 2:1.

Ah more like 68mm of tubes (1.86:1). 25mm tube would be a 1:1. Unless I'm using this calculator wrong: http://extreme-macro.co.uk/extension-tubes/#calculator

Those are not going to be cheap lenses. None of them.
Not at ~1kg each and with a red ring. This is a serious amount of glass.

Right? I'm guessing $2k easy for the 50mm, and I don't even want to guess on the 135mm.

I'd be surprised if it needed that much, the assumption is you are focused at infinity and the lens' nominal focal length is 50mm, but at closest focus distance the nominal focal length will be shorter requireing less extension. But i did say close to 2:1

 

[BeenThere]

Using as a reference Sigma and Zeiss, I have started associating big and heavy with great IQ and less vignette. Of course, I could be wrong. I'm now thinking the new 85mm awesomeness will be IS, not IQ. Anybody else? Being an L, the IQ will be good, but maybe not great. Anxious for test results!

 

[privatebydesign]

Darn it I thought I'd be interested in three of the four and the more I read about them the clearer it becomes. I am up for selling my 100L Macro and getting the 85 f1.4, the 50 and 90 TS-E's.

Not convinced about the 135 TS-E and it is only 0.5 magnification so no better than the 90 which I know I have a use for.

 

[e_honda]

For anyone thinking this is going to be priced lower than that 85 1.2, that's wishful thinking. This is groundbreaking stuff. First lens with a 1.4 aperture to have IS.

It's going to be really good and really expensive.

No BR coating, but I'll assume there's no way Canon would put this lens out with a far out price tag if it can't beat the 85 Art in CA performance.

 

[keithcooper]

One thing I noted is the change in tilt indication markings - split either side of the enlarged adjustment knob (or could just be a larger add-on cap)

You can't see from the picture if the range of tilt is greater, but I do note that f/45 is available

The 135 is a distinct option for me - tubes will magnify, but the different perspective from 90mm does interest me.

However I wonder how many people will buy the 50, 90 or 135 and wonder how tilt works
Expect a lot of queries as to how they 'give more DOF'...

Of course this means there will be a steady supply of used TS-E lenses in the used market

Also, it looks as if the new lenses will fit brackets like the PPL I tested a wile ago

 

[Deleted member 7828]

Will keep a very close eye on that 85. With IS and being lighter and smaller than the Sigma Art, I do not expect the same level of IQ - but if it is at least equivalent or better than the excellent 100L at f2.8, or maybe f2, I'll consider picking one up.

 

[privatebydesign]

One thing I noted is the change in tilt indication markings - split either side of the enlarged adjustment knob (or could just be a larger add-on cap)

You can't see from the picture if the range of tilt is greater, but I do note that f/45 is available

The 135 is a distinct option for me - tubes will magnify, but the different perspective from 90mm does interest me.

However I wonder how many people will buy the 50, 90 or 135 and wonder how tilt works
Expect a lot of queries as to how they 'give more DOF'...

Of course this means there will be a steady supply of used TS-E lenses in the used market

Also, it looks as if the new lenses will fit brackets like the PPL I tested a wile ago

It will also mean a lot more views for your relevant pages Keith, I hope!

 

[Graphic.Artifacts]

Guess I have a different perspective on the new 85 1.4l IS. Possibly Canon as well which would be a disappointment to me.

I see the lens more as a "daily driver" workhorse rather than an exotic like some of the lenses other folks are referencing. Canon need a solid, mid-range, fast, weather-sealed, portrait lens with spot-on AF and good to excellent IQ. IS is just icing on the cake. I never had any problems with my 135L other than the fact that somebody stole it out of my truck. An 85mm version of that lens with IS would be perfect for me. I don't ever remember looking at any image I shot with that lens and thinking "I wish the corners were sharper". I don't think they need to compete with Zeiss here.

I don't see anything about the lens as speced that should drive up the price. Canon puts IS in almost all of their consumer lenses. But it's a 1.4 you say. Not sure why that s a big deal. I assume they haven't put IS in fast lenses because they didn't think it was necessary not because it was technically difficult. I could be totally wrong about that but I haven't heard anything yet to convince me otherwise.

A lot of folks seem to hold up the 35 1.4 II as the gold standard of Canon lens releases and I would say it's just the opposite. Although I'm sure there are photographers out there making good use of that excellent lens, for the most part it's a lens that everyone says they love but nobody bought. I don't recall ever seeing one outside of a photo store or a Canon demo booth. I don't know anyone who owns one. Canon can't be happy about that. If they price this lens well above $1500 US it'll be the same. That would really be a shame because this is a lens that could be in a lot of Canon shooters bags. If the price is bonkers I'll just replace my 135L.

Just my opinion. Worth what you paid for it.

 

[Drainpipe]

One thing I noted is the change in tilt indication markings - split either side of the enlarged adjustment knob (or could just be a larger add-on cap)

You can't see from the picture if the range of tilt is greater, but I do note that f/45 is available

The 135 is a distinct option for me - tubes will magnify, but the different perspective from 90mm does interest me.

However I wonder how many people will buy the 50, 90 or 135 and wonder how tilt works
Expect a lot of queries as to how they 'give more DOF'...

Of course this means there will be a steady supply of used TS-E lenses in the used market

Also, it looks as if the new lenses will fit brackets like the PPL I tested a wile ago

What I am hoping for is more usable DoF. I think tubes on the 50mm will be an interesting combo. If I can tilt the image plane down but still be off angle, that will make for great spider photos. Not the same old boring top-down shots that look so... dry.

Am I imagining this right? Or am I going to be sorely disappointed? ;D

 

[PureClassA]

I'm willing to bet this new 85 comes in at the same price as the existing 85 1.2L. Smaller lens, less glass, but with IS. $1899 or thereabout is what I'm thinking. The IS being the obvious tradeoff for less glass and less bokeh machine. People can pick which option in a very popular focal length they would prefer.

 

[PeterAlex7]

So, the 85L IS body will extend when focusing?

 

[padam]

So, the 85L IS body will extend when focusing?

Probably not.

The price may be similar to the existing 85/1.2.
And a new 85/1.2 III is probably in the works (patents exist), will probably come within a few years time, but it will cost a lot more.

 

[wockawocka]

So, the 85L IS body will extend when focusing?

Probably not.

The price may be similar to the existing 85/1.2.
And a new 85/1.2 III is probably in the works (patents exist), will probably come within a few years time, but it will cost a lot more.

Agreed, high probability it'll be internal focusing. Zooms are more that way inclined.

 

[keithcooper]

One thing I noted is the change in tilt indication markings - split either side of the enlarged adjustment knob (or could just be a larger add-on cap)

You can't see from the picture if the range of tilt is greater, but I do note that f/45 is available

The 135 is a distinct option for me - tubes will magnify, but the different perspective from 90mm does interest me.

However I wonder how many people will buy the 50, 90 or 135 and wonder how tilt works
Expect a lot of queries as to how they 'give more DOF'...

Of course this means there will be a steady supply of used TS-E lenses in the used market

Also, it looks as if the new lenses will fit brackets like the PPL I tested a wile ago

It will also mean a lot more views for your relevant pages Keith, I hope!

Yes

I feel an article coming on about using tilt and extension tubes - I can use my current TS-E90, but if I get a 135, it would make it easier to test & compare

Like most of the notes I've written, they come about when I realise I don't understand the details of something well enough to explain it to someone ;-)

 

[hne]

I'm willing to bet this new 85 comes in at the same price as the existing 85 1.2L. Smaller lens, less glass, but with IS. $1899 or thereabout is what I'm thinking. The IS being the obvious tradeoff for less glass and less bokeh machine. People can pick which option in a very popular focal length they would prefer.

At 3mm smaller diameter but 21mm longer length and 5mm larger filter thread, I wouldn't call it "smaller".
I really hope for the Graphic.Artifact's "daily driver lens" scenario. A reasonably affordable lens for pro photographers. Like the 35/1.4L (still current according to canon), 135/2L, 200/2.8L. All to be had new around $1000. There's a nice gap for similarly affordable lenses at 50 and 85 mm.

 

[keithcooper]

One thing I noted is the change in tilt indication markings - split either side of the enlarged adjustment knob (or could just be a larger add-on cap)

You can't see from the picture if the range of tilt is greater, but I do note that f/45 is available

The 135 is a distinct option for me - tubes will magnify, but the different perspective from 90mm does interest me.

However I wonder how many people will buy the 50, 90 or 135 and wonder how tilt works
Expect a lot of queries as to how they 'give more DOF'...

Of course this means there will be a steady supply of used TS-E lenses in the used market

Also, it looks as if the new lenses will fit brackets like the PPL I tested a wile ago

What I am hoping for is more usable DoF. I think tubes on the 50mm will be an interesting combo. If I can tilt the image plane down but still be off angle, that will make for great spider photos. Not the same old boring top-down shots that look so... dry.

Am I imagining this right? Or am I going to be sorely disappointed? ;D

Yes, it does, but it's the sort of thing where you can quickly come up against the maximum tilt and limitations of the razor thin DOF. It can give ugly OOF areas as well.

I have stacked tilted shots to get a thicker focal plane, but it can be fiddly to set up - not for anything alive...

 

[Bognirab]

Here are the full specifications and some images of the long rumored new lenses from Canon. There’s also an image of the new macro flash that will be compatible with the new 2:1 macro tilt-shift lenses.

Shouldn't that read 1:2, if the maximum magnification is 0.5 times?

 

[Drainpipe]

Yes

I feel an article coming on about using tilt and extension tubes - I can use my current TS-E90, but if I get a 135, it would make it easier to test & compare

Like most of the notes I've written, they come about when I realise I don't understand the details of something well enough to explain it to someone ;-)

Yes I would like this a lot!

 

[rfdesigner]

I don't see anything about the lens as speced that should drive up the price. Canon puts IS in almost all of their consumer lenses. But it's a 1.4 you say. Not sure why that s a big deal. I assume they haven't put IS in fast lenses because they didn't think it was necessary not because it was technically difficult. I could be totally wrong about that but I haven't heard anything yet to convince me otherwise.

f1.4 means lens diamaters in the middle of the lens increase A LOT compared to f2.8, one might expect double.. but it's more complitated than that as you also have to allow for the full field of view too. That extra diameter does two things..

it increases mass a fair bit

it substantially increases rotational intertia as all that additiaonal weight is way beyond the centre of mass of each lens element.

assuming you're wiggling flat glass

f2.8-> f2.0, double the glass, and around 4 times the inertia
f2.0 -> f1.4 same again.

That poor little IS motor now needs to be 16 times as strong.. but that makes it bigger.. and increases it's inertia... so it needs to be even bigger.

oh wait the motor's now 20~30 times the volume and mass of the cheap consumer ones, the cost is unlikely to be the same.

Clearly the real answer to making an IS unit in an F1.4 lens is to get the weight and rotational intertia of the optics you intend to wiggle down to the absolute minimum, then everything else becomes substantially easier.


Any way you look at it I think Canon will have done well to get IS into an F1.4 lens.

 

[mjg79]

Quite fascinating to read all the speculation. Normally we would have a much better idea - I mean if there is a new 70-200 2.8 IS coming out we would know exactly what its role is.

To me the big question is: "What does the 1.4 signify?"

Is it that they decided that having the 1.2 aperture made no real difference and going to 1.4 allowed them to chase optical perfection and this is to be their new top of the line 85mm lens, a halo product that every wedding photographer wants, with a no compromises approach to quality and rendering? In which case I am sure it will cost more than the current 85 L II. This would be like replacing the 200/1.8 with the 200/2.0 IS.

Or is it that they wanted to make something a bit more "reasonable" in the same way the 50/1.2 replaced the 50/1.0 - at the extremes of lens design every small increase in aperture has a big impact on weight, size and cost etc. This would be a lens perhaps more like Nikon's 85 1.4 - very high quality but not chasing the optical perfection that Zeiss and recently Sigma have done.

Right now I think we are all just guessing - Canon has taken different approaches for different lenses over the years. I expect it will come down to whether they ever plan to bring a 85 1.2 III. If they do, even years down the line, they will probably make the 1.4 L a more "moderate" design at a more "reasonable" price. But if this is to be the new "top of the line" and fully replace the 1.2 models then I am sure they will have thrown everything at it - they know people will complain about the removal of 1.2, they know people adored the 85L's rendering and there is no way they will release anything that isn't an amazing lens.