Speculation: Year of the Lens

[scottburgess]

Lots of lenses on sale at B&H. Perhaps the rumors of new lenses are true, and we're in for a surprise or two this year as Canon and Nikon respond to the surge of quality third party designs.

So what strategy does everyone thing Canon would employ, and which would you prefer: a) mark ii versions of L lenses that are reasonably competitive with the new Sigmas and Zeiss glass, with a bit higher price point than current releases, or b) a whole new SL line ("Super Luxury") that beats the pants off of the competition, but at prices closer to the Otus?

Or perhaps you think Canon could do both?

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

Lots of lenses are on sale, because they are not selling. The story is the same across all brands of cameras and lenses. If you are a business with a lot of inventory but little sales, then you do what it takes to move it.

On the other hand, why would a company spend huge sums of money for lenses that won't sell. There will always be some new lenses, just to meet competition, or company goals which might go beyond worrying about short term profits. Canon seems to be plunging into Cinema in a big way, and you have to pay to play.

 

[dgatwood]

On the flip side, I suspect lots of folks aren't buying lenses because so many lenses are old designs with old focus motors and old glass technology. Now that folks have seen what's possible with newer lens tech, they're reticent to spend thousands of dollars on lenses that were designed way back when most folks were still using film.

 

[Don Haines]

And off brand, Tamron has a HUGE backlog for the 150-600.... for them, it really is "the year of the lens"

If you build it they will come

 

[jdramirez]

It took a ton of consideration when I bought the 70-200 is mkii... and that was two grand. I can't see a future where I pay 4 grand for a lens.

Would I consider paying a premium for a lens that is in the top of its class, but I think two grand is where that willingness starts to die out.

 

[ajfotofilmagem]

I do not think it's necessary to create a new nomenclature "Super Deluxe" for new high-performance lenses. Lenses "L" already fascinate photographers, but some of them need updating to be competitive with the new Zeiss and Sigma. Is there a reason to Zeiss not put autofocus in lens Otus. The accuracy of measurement and mechanism (lens and camera) for the resolution capability of Otus puts a level of requirement similar to the big whites costing $12,000. If Otus 55mm had AF, and it cost over $6.000 will sell even less than now. Nothing prevents Canon make lenses "Super Premium", but it is a niche market that may not have return of profit.

 

[Dylan777]

It took a ton of consideration when I bought the 70-200 is mkii... and that was two grand. I can't see a future where I pay 4 grand for a lens.

Would I consider paying a premium for a lens that is in the top of its class, but I think two grand is where that willingness starts to die out.

I said that when I first got into photography. Then I need more reach for indoor swimming...300mm f2.8 IS II - 400mm f2.8 IS II become necessary

I have no regret buying my BIG WHITE yet

 

[sanj]

Lots of lenses are on sale, because they are not selling. The story is the same across all brands of cameras and lenses. If you are a business with a lot of inventory but little sales, then you do what it takes to move it.

On the other hand, why would a company spend huge sums of money for lenses that won't sell. There will always be some new lenses, just to meet competition, or company goals which might go beyond worrying about short term profits. Canon seems to be plunging into Cinema in a big way, and you have to pay to play.

Hmmm. Really? Does Canon not offer rebates every year?

 

[adhocphotographer]

It took a ton of consideration when I bought the 70-200 is mkii... and that was two grand. I can't see a future where I pay 4 grand for a lens.

Would I consider paying a premium for a lens that is in the top of its class, but I think two grand is where that willingness starts to die out.

I was in the same boat... but now i'm considering a 300 f/2.8... situations and priorities change. I am fortunate to be in a good financial situation, so it is plausible... several years a go when i finished my PhD and didn't have to pennies to rub together, buying the 55-250 was a monumental decision! Never say never! I am also looking at it as an investment. I can always sell it if i come into hard times.

Saying that, i've still got to save up for it and then pluck up the courage to buy a lens instead of a used car (or 3 new Royal Enfield motorbikes)...

 

[Sabaki]

A question that comes to my mind in this, The Year of the Lens, is what becomes of the L designation if Canon cannot surpass the quality of the third party brands out there?

Zeiss apart, Canon's versions of lens standards like a 50mm, 24-105 etc, should really be better performers that what Tamron and Sigma are releasing.

Although not really quantafiable by any measured standard, L series lenses are the pinnacle of Canon glass. So what now if 3rd party manufacturers outperform them?

Just a thought and apologies for any incorrect assumptions

 

[Lightmaster]

Zeiss apart, Canon's versions of lens standards like a 50mm, 24-105 etc, should really be better performers that what Tamron and Sigma are releasing.

how old are these lenses... how old are the lenses you compare them too? :

 

[tron]

If you build it they will come

+1000

100-400mm 4.5-5.6L IS II
400mm 5.6L IS
35mm 1.4L II
135mm 2L IS (although I do love my 135mm 2L ...)
24mm 1.4L III (one with NO COMA, OK, this is rather new relative to the others so not a chance...)

 

[mackguyver]

It took a ton of consideration when I bought the 70-200 is mkii... and that was two grand. I can't see a future where I pay 4 grand for a lens.

Would I consider paying a premium for a lens that is in the top of its class, but I think two grand is where that willingness starts to die out.

I said that when I first got into photography. Then I need more reach for indoor swimming...300mm f2.8 IS II - 400mm f2.8 IS II become necessary

I have no regret buying my BIG WHITE yet

+1, though I didn't realize you could have white-knuckles gripping a mouse I, too, struggled to spend $500 on a lens (okay, it's probably worth it to top the 18-55 IS), $1,000 (are L lenses really that much better?), $2,000 (do I really need f/2.8 & IS on a zoom?), and $6,000 (is the 300 2.8 IS II that much better than the 400 f/5.6?).

It took me about 5 or 6 years to go through that process, and I think the only money I regret spending is on a 70-300 (non-L) because that lens was SO soft at 300mm. I wish I'd gone FF sooner, too.

Going back to the topic, it's going to be 6 long months till Photokina...

 

[Ellen Schmidtee]

Economy being what it is the last few years, I doubt there's more profit in the Otus price range than there is in the L price range.

Personally, I don't keep an open eye to upgrade any of my L lenses, nor am I willing to pay L-to-Otus prices. I would be willing to upgrade my Sigma 12-24mm with a Canon ultrawide.

 

[KyleSTL]

...and I think the only money I regret spending is on a 70-300 (non-L) because that lens was SO soft at 300mm.

+1, I wish Canon would update this lens with the features (non-rotating focus, Ring USM) and build quality of the Tamron and Nikon equivalents. The 70-300L looks like a great lens, but is much larger and more expensive. I have also considered the 70-200 f4L and f4L IS, but neither will fit it my current bag (I know, not the most valid excuse, but I like my current bag). I have considered going back to the 70-210 USM and/or 100-300 USM I owned previously (I love their focusing speeds and the IQ from both almost exactly matches the 70-300 IS). I can't complain, though, I got the 70-300 IS for a song, and could easily sell it for a profit. I'm just bitter because I've used the Nikon 70-300 VR (released 2006), and enjoyed the experience much more than the Canon (released 2005) lens I have. I think Canon owes it to it's 6D customers to have some reasonable-quality entry level (read: non-L) zoom lenses, and currently they have zero in the UWA and normal ranges, and three relatively mediocre tele zooms. Yes, the 24-105L, 24-70 f4L, 17-40L and 70-300L IS are great lenses, but they are not in the same price range (un-kitted) as Nikon's 24-85 VR, 18-35 and 70-300 VR. Entry-level consumers (and purchasers of used 5D's and 5D Mark II's) need more choices for their cameras without taking the 'L' plunge.

 

[mackguyver]

...and I think the only money I regret spending is on a 70-300 (non-L) because that lens was SO soft at 300mm.

+1, I wish Canon would update this lens with the features (non-rotating focus, Ring USM) and build quality of the Tamron and Nikon equivalents. The 70-300L looks like a great lens, but is much larger and more expensive. I have also considered the 70-200 f4L and f4L IS, but neither will fit it my current bag (I know, not the most valid excuse, but I like my current bag). I have considered going back to the 70-210 USM and/or 100-300 USM I owned previously (I love their focusing speeds and the IQ from both almost exactly matches the 70-300 IS). I can't complain, though, I got the 70-300 IS for a song, and could easily sell it for a profit. I'm just bitter because I've used the Nikon 70-300 VR (released 2006), and enjoyed the experience much more than the Canon (released 2005) lens I have. I think Canon owes it to it's 6D customers to have some reasonable-quality entry level (read: non-L) zoom lenses, and currently they have zero in the UWA and normal ranges, and three relatively mediocre tele zooms. Yes, the 24-105L, 24-70 f4L, 17-40L and 70-300L IS are great lenses, but they are not in the same price range (un-kitted) as Nikon's 24-85 VR, 18-35 and 70-300 VR. Entry-level consumers (and purchasers of used 5D's and 5D Mark II's) need more choices for their cameras without taking the 'L' plunge.

I replaced my 70-300 with the 70-200 f/4 IS and the 1.4x extender. It's SO MUCH better and still a very compact lens, but I understand that it might be too big for your bag. Then again, what's a photographer without at least 5 or 6 camera bags. I don't know how long you've been shooting, but I've bought at least one new camera bag each year and have quite a collection, especially when you add in 2 or 3 that I got for "free" with camera or lens purchases

Also, I thought the 24-70 f/4 was that lens for the 6D until I saw the price. Ouch. I guess they consider the 70-200 f/4 (IS) a "reasonable" priced zoom lens as well, but I think the real strategy for the 6D is to get you to buy more expensive FF lenses.

 

[canonographer]

Dear Canon,

Please don't make us wait until Photokina or even late into spring for a new UWA lens. I have a lot of plans for when the snow melts and the flowers start to bloom, and I'd rather not have to buy an outdated lens design. I'd really love to see a new 16-50mm f/4 IS that's sharp in the corners.

Sincerely,
Snowbound and Anxious

 

[mackguyver]

Dear Canon,

Please don't make us wait until Photokina or even late into spring for a new UWA lens. I have a lot of plans for when the snow melts and the flowers start to bloom, and I'd rather not have to buy an outdated lens design. I'd really love to see a new 16-50mm f/4 IS that's sharp in the corners.

Sincerely,
Snowbound and Anxious

Dear Snowbound and Anxious,

We understand your complaint, but we are a huge corporation and don't care. Unfortunately, it's going to be a long spring and longer summer as you wait for Photokina. We hope you will buy our current products and then upgrade to new ones this holiday season when the lenses you buy now will be discounted and the new lenses will be sold at their ridiculous initial offering price. We may or may not be able to deliver the newly announced lenses until this time next year, however, so please pre-order them early as there will be a limited supply.

Sincerely,
In No Hurry and Hoping the Yen Recovers (Canon)

 

[tron]

I replaced my 70-300 with the 70-200 f/4 IS and the 1.4x extender. It's SO MUCH better and still a very compact lens

Hello, I am interested in this. I was thinking to get the 70-300L for its compactness.
However, I do have 70-200 2.8 II and 70-200 f/4L IS (as well as 1.4XIII and 2XIII teleconverters) which I do not intend to part with. So shall I forget the 70-300L ? (I do not like the reverse use of its rings anyway).

OR, are you referring to the non-L version of the lens?