TAMRON SP 150-600mm F/5-6.3 Di VC USD Hitting Market

My copy for review was shipped today. I should have it by Wednesday. There is moratorium on full reviews, and the first dibs on mine will be going to PhotoNews, but by the end of the month I should be able to share the full review.

My contact at Tamron seems more pumped about this lens than any I've heard him mention before. He said this to me: "Our internal tests are showing the lens provides very sharp photos and every one - so far! - is very pleased with its performance."

I'm excited to get my hands on it!
 
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TWI by Dustin Abbott said:
My copy for review was shipped today. I should have it by Wednesday. There is moratorium on full reviews, and the first dibs on mine will be going to PhotoNews, but by the end of the month I should be able to share the full review.

My contact at Tamron seems more pumped about this lens than any I've heard him mention before. He said this to me: "Our internal tests are showing the lens provides very sharp photos and every one - so far! - is very pleased with its performance."

I'm excited to get my hands on it!
Is the North American release date still set for January 19th?
 
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Nice to see a side by side with a Canon L lens. Given that I'm interested in it equalling or bettering the 100-400L and this test shows it equalling the 400 5.6L (which is generally regarded as being sharper than the 100-400), these results are encouraging. Still waiting for more on AF performance. I'm hoping the issues Frank had with his copy are an anomaly as I'd love nothing better than to have a sharp and clear 600mm lens that doesn't cost me the equivalent to a small car! :o
 
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I really want this lens to measure up...I own the Tamron 200-500 and am, to be honest, a bit disappointed with its image quality. The autofocus test looks promising (when I get a chance I am going to try the same thing with my 5DM3 and the 200-500...but what I really want to see is the image quality for the 150-600.
 
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TWI by Dustin Abbott said:
I've got it in hand right now. It is a beast. I intend to AFMA it before giving any kind of report on the IQ. I am also clearing just what kind of information I can share right now. There is a moratorium on reviews, but I probably will able to share some bits and pieces.
I bet it's a beast and I look forward to reading whatever you're able to share.
 
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photonius said:
hoodlum said:
And here is the first comparison with the 400mm f5.6. Hopefully he can do some more comparisions but so far the Tamron seems to have the edge at 400mm wide open.

http://camahoy.com/2014/01/06/tamron-sp-150-600mm-vc-sp-usd-vs-canon-ef-400mm-f5-6l-usm/

the samples have now been retracted, see updated web site. The 400 L shots were obviously not the best, and with a filter. Still, the Tamron doesn't look too bad.
The 400L samples had obvious issues, I think he got called on it.

The Tamron was a loaner from Tamron, and they only loan out the really good ones, no matter what they tell you. They'd be pretty stupid if they didn't select the best of the best for loaners. Then, they put them on a shelf and seem to be grabbing one at random, when they are actually all hand picked lenses.

That's why I'm waiting for professional reviewers who are careful in their setup and know what they are doing. I don't go for reviews using free loaners from Tamron, they need to be purchased at random from a store. I also want to see reviews from more than one expert. Even DXO buys or rents lenses, they don't test special ones supplied by the manufacturer. Experts will recognize problems with test lenses and redo the images or get them repaired before showing them to the public, their reputation is on the line.
 
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I'm looking forward to the hand-on reviews of this lens and enough data points to give a good idea about copy variation.

I don't often need a lens longer than 200mm, but for those occasions I do, this would be an excellent choice if the IQ is as good or better than the Canon 100-400L. I've owned that lens before and was generally pleased with it, but it didn't get much use so I sold it to use the money on better shorter focal length lenses. Now that I'm generally satisfied with my 14-200mm lenses, adding a longer zoom makes sense. As much as I'd love to own a 300 or 400 2.8 IS, I don't shoot enough super tele to justify the cost. For around $1K this would be a nice option.
 
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Mt Spokane Photography said:
The 400L samples had obvious issues, I think he got called on it.

The only "issue" was that he forgot he had a filter on the 400L and didn't on the Tamron. I don't think he got "called" on it. Someone pointed out the mistake and he corrected it. It's debatable how much an impact the filter would have, but give him credit for recognizing the issue and being straightforward about it.

Mt Spokane Photography said:
The Tamron was a loaner from Tamron, and they only loan out the really good ones, no matter what they tell you. They'd be pretty stupid if they didn't select the best of the best for loaners. Then, they put them on a shelf and seem to be grabbing one at random, when they are actually all hand picked lenses.

These statements are common on the internet, but I wonder if anyone has any actual, personal proof or experience with this. Or, if it's just something that gets repeated and since it sounds logical, people believe it.

Trying to think it through logically. Let's say the lens comes from the in-country distributor. Do they really pull out 10 or 20 lenses from their stock and run a battery of tests on each one before loaning one out to a reviewer? Do they even have the necessary equipment to run these tests? And, do they have the personnel with the time and expertise to pre-test these lenses? Does anybody know this, or is this just conjecture?

And, while we're on the topic. It seems like Canon and Nikon would be more likely to do this than a third-party manufacturer if only because they'd be more likely to have the resources available for this kind of manipulation.

I would agree that testing a pre-production copy would be problematic, because it's a product that will never get into the consumer's hands and many times these pre-production copies are small runs that are indeed assembled and tested under more scrutiny than a production run lens. But if a distributor has, say 2,000 boxed production-run copies of a lens, what evidence is there that they are pre-testing these lenses. And, if you think they will go to that extent, wouldn't they also pre-test any lens they sell to a well-known review site?

Unless the reviewers hire a third-party to anonymously purchase a lens from a retailer, the exact same cherry-picking can occur. Is that the procedure followed by review sites? Somehow, I doubt it.

And, while we are thinking about this, wouldn't it be in the best interests of the in-country distributor to hand over a production-run, untested copy? The last thing they want is to sell 10,000 copies of a lens and have 8,000 returned because someone fudged the reviews. If I'm a local distributor and my company produces a product that turns out to be a turkey, I want to have that known as quickly as possible so I have more leverage to force the parent company to make it right. Cherry-picking a review sample just is not in my best interests.

Now, I would say it's a good idea to wait until several reviewers have weighed in and frankly, I would want to wait until someone like Roger Cicala has a chance to run several dozen or several hundred copies through his system so they are thoroughly field-tested and any problems can be identified before buying. But I don't like blanket statements without any evidence to back them up.

I'm a little surprised at how many people have already made up their minds about this lens before it has really hit the market. I strongly suspect that the reviews won't really matter. Those who are inclined to hate it will find reasons to do so, those who are inclined to love it will find reasons to do so.
 
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unfocused said:
Mt Spokane Photography said:
The 400L samples had obvious issues, I think he got called on it.

The only "issue" was that he forgot he had a filter on the 400L and didn't on the Tamron. I don't think he got "called" on it. Someone pointed out the mistake and he corrected it. It's debatable how much an impact the filter would have, but give him credit for recognizing the issue and being straightforward about it.

Mt Spokane Photography said:
The Tamron was a loaner from Tamron, and they only loan out the really good ones, no matter what they tell you. They'd be pretty stupid if they didn't select the best of the best for loaners. Then, they put them on a shelf and seem to be grabbing one at random, when they are actually all hand picked lenses.

These statements are common on the internet, but I wonder if anyone has any actual, personal proof or experience with this. Or, if it's just something that gets repeated and since it sounds logical, people believe it.

Trying to think it through logically. Let's say the lens comes from the in-country distributor. Do they really pull out 10 or 20 lenses from their stock and run a battery of tests on each one before loaning one out to a reviewer? Do they even have the necessary equipment to run these tests? And, do they have the personnel with the time and expertise to pre-test these lenses? Does anybody know this, or is this just conjecture?

And, while we're on the topic. It seems like Canon and Nikon would be more likely to do this than a third-party manufacturer if only because they'd be more likely to have the resources available for this kind of manipulation.

I would agree that testing a pre-production copy would be problematic, because it's a product that will never get into the consumer's hands and many times these pre-production copies are small runs that are indeed assembled and tested under more scrutiny than a production run lens. But if a distributor has, say 2,000 boxed production-run copies of a lens, what evidence is there that they are pre-testing these lenses. And, if you think they will go to that extent, wouldn't they also pre-test any lens they sell to a well-known review site?

Unless the reviewers hire a third-party to anonymously purchase a lens from a retailer, the exact same cherry-picking can occur. Is that the procedure followed by review sites? Somehow, I doubt it.

And, while we are thinking about this, wouldn't it be in the best interests of the in-country distributor to hand over a production-run, untested copy? The last thing they want is to sell 10,000 copies of a lens and have 8,000 returned because someone fudged the reviews. If I'm a local distributor and my company produces a product that turns out to be a turkey, I want to have that known as quickly as possible so I have more leverage to force the parent company to make it right. Cherry-picking a review sample just is not in my best interests.

Now, I would say it's a good idea to wait until several reviewers have weighed in and frankly, I would want to wait until someone like Roger Cicala has a chance to run several dozen or several hundred copies through his system so they are thoroughly field-tested and any problems can be identified before buying. But I don't like blanket statements without any evidence to back them up.

I'm a little surprised at how many people have already made up their minds about this lens before it has really hit the market. I strongly suspect that the reviews won't really matter. Those who are inclined to hate it will find reasons to do so, those who are inclined to love it will find reasons to do so.

Well said. Nicely balanced approach, and one I strongly agree with. Even though I test equipment, I still like to read multiple reviews from different perspectives before I buy.
 
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TWI by Dustin Abbott said:
unfocused said:
Mt Spokane Photography said:
The 400L samples had obvious issues, I think he got called on it.

The only "issue" was that he forgot he had a filter on the 400L and didn't on the Tamron. I don't think he got "called" on it. Someone pointed out the mistake and he corrected it. It's debatable how much an impact the filter would have, but give him credit for recognizing the issue and being straightforward about it.

Mt Spokane Photography said:
The Tamron was a loaner from Tamron, and they only loan out the really good ones, no matter what they tell you. They'd be pretty stupid if they didn't select the best of the best for loaners. Then, they put them on a shelf and seem to be grabbing one at random, when they are actually all hand picked lenses.

These statements are common on the internet, but I wonder if anyone has any actual, personal proof or experience with this. Or, if it's just something that gets repeated and since it sounds logical, people believe it.

Trying to think it through logically. Let's say the lens comes from the in-country distributor. Do they really pull out 10 or 20 lenses from their stock and run a battery of tests on each one before loaning one out to a reviewer? Do they even have the necessary equipment to run these tests? And, do they have the personnel with the time and expertise to pre-test these lenses? Does anybody know this, or is this just conjecture?

And, while we're on the topic. It seems like Canon and Nikon would be more likely to do this than a third-party manufacturer if only because they'd be more likely to have the resources available for this kind of manipulation.

I would agree that testing a pre-production copy would be problematic, because it's a product that will never get into the consumer's hands and many times these pre-production copies are small runs that are indeed assembled and tested under more scrutiny than a production run lens. But if a distributor has, say 2,000 boxed production-run copies of a lens, what evidence is there that they are pre-testing these lenses. And, if you think they will go to that extent, wouldn't they also pre-test any lens they sell to a well-known review site?

Unless the reviewers hire a third-party to anonymously purchase a lens from a retailer, the exact same cherry-picking can occur. Is that the procedure followed by review sites? Somehow, I doubt it.

And, while we are thinking about this, wouldn't it be in the best interests of the in-country distributor to hand over a production-run, untested copy? The last thing they want is to sell 10,000 copies of a lens and have 8,000 returned because someone fudged the reviews. If I'm a local distributor and my company produces a product that turns out to be a turkey, I want to have that known as quickly as possible so I have more leverage to force the parent company to make it right. Cherry-picking a review sample just is not in my best interests.

Now, I would say it's a good idea to wait until several reviewers have weighed in and frankly, I would want to wait until someone like Roger Cicala has a chance to run several dozen or several hundred copies through his system so they are thoroughly field-tested and any problems can be identified before buying. But I don't like blanket statements without any evidence to back them up.

I'm a little surprised at how many people have already made up their minds about this lens before it has really hit the market. I strongly suspect that the reviews won't really matter. Those who are inclined to hate it will find reasons to do so, those who are inclined to love it will find reasons to do so.

Well said. Nicely balanced approach, and one I strongly agree with. Even though I test equipment, I still like to read multiple reviews from different perspectives before I buy.
If it really was a "cherry picked lens", wouldn't it be hand delivered on a silk pillow? Normal shipping is rough on equipment.... boxes get dropped and thrown all the time and that has to be hard on the alignment of all the components...
 
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unfocused said:
Now, I would say it's a good idea to wait until several reviewers have weighed in and frankly, I would want to wait until someone like Roger Cicala has a chance to run several dozen or several hundred copies through his system so they are thoroughly field-tested and any problems can be identified before buying. But I don't like blanket statements without any evidence to back them up.

Unfortunately Roger can't test the lens at 600mm which is where most people want to know how good it is.
 
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jthomson said:
unfocused said:
Now, I would say it's a good idea to wait until several reviewers have weighed in and frankly, I would want to wait until someone like Roger Cicala has a chance to run several dozen or several hundred copies through his system so they are thoroughly field-tested and any problems can be identified before buying. But I don't like blanket statements without any evidence to back them up.

Unfortunately Roger can't test the lens at 600mm which is where most people want to know how good it is.

Good point. But actually I was thinking more along the lines of their experience with repairs, consistency, reliability, etc. etc.
 
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Why is there so much fuss about the quality of a $1000 lens that comes with a 5-year guarantee? Buy a copy from a proper retailer and either test it for yourself in the shop or at home if by post and send it back if soft. There are rubbish copies of the 100-400L, but no one makes such a song and dance about it.
 
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