The 5DsR mk2

[Deleted member 7828]

The 5DSR Mark I hasn't really impressed me as a camera.
Maybe its my version but the 5D III and 5D IV that I have are better in terms of image quality.
It doesn't perform well as the ISO goes up.
I was never blown away by its detail as I didn't think it ever showed any more detail than a 5D III.
I'd find the image quality in the 5D IV much better than it.

Wow...not sure what lens you were using on it but having shot with all three cameras, I can tell you there’s no comparison. The 5DSR is head and shoulders above the other two when it comes to resolving power. If you put a quality lens on the R, preferably an image-stabilized one, it should *not* leave you wanting.

 

[Adelino]

Third option but no IBIS.

 

[James Larsen]

It's going to be decent, but too late in the game (as usual). :-\

 

[privatebydesign]

It's going to be decent, but too late in the game (as usual). :-\

Not for me it isn't. I am looking forwards to it and am happy to bide my time until it arrives and gets shaken down.

 

[Deleted member 379512]

Third option but no IBIS.

Does Canon have any patents on ibis or similar tech? A high MP rig would be the logical place to have it
I would be looking at the next 5dsr type body to see if it fits what I'm wanting, I'm pretty sure Canon could put all the pieces together in one rig, just not that confident that they will

 

[midluk]

Third option but no IBIS.

Does Canon have any patents on ibis or similar tech? A high MP rig would be the logical place to have it
I would be looking at the next 5dsr type body to see if it fits what I'm wanting, I'm pretty sure Canon could put all the pieces together in one rig, just not that confident that they will

I'm sure they have a patent, but IBIS on EF mount will not happen. IBIS moves the sensor outside of the image circle which the mount, lenses and size of mirror box are designed for. Sony didn't care about image degradation at the corners, but Canon is building real professional products where they would not allow such a compromise.
Only chance for IBIS in EF I see would be APC-H (or APS-C without EF-S compatibility).

 

[jolyonralph]

For high-resolution macro photography the pixel shift feature in the A7RIII is a hugely significant development.

I haven't tried it out yet, but it could be a game changer.

 

[privatebydesign]

For high-resolution macro photography the pixel shift feature in the A7RIII is a hugely significant development.

I haven't tried it out yet, but it could be a game changer.

An improvement with many caveats, maybe.

A game changer, no, not even close. Other manufacturers have been doing it for years to little fanfare, indeed Hasselblad have dropped the feature due to the underwhelming response.

But tell me, what does the 5DSR not do for your high resolution macro photography?

 

[danski0224]

When is the rumored MkII coming out?

 

[rrcphoto]

Third option but no IBIS.

Does Canon have any patents on ibis or similar tech?

None. Notta. Not. One. Single. Patent.

 

[rrcphoto]

For high-resolution macro photography the pixel shift feature in the A7RIII is a hugely significant development.

not really. focus shift is far more your friend for high resolution macro, and it's not as if the A7RIII was the first to ever offer pixel shift so it's hardly "a significant development"

 

[neurorx]

What is everyone's experience using the 5Ds/r for landscape or wildlife photography? Can you use it hand-held? Any reason to be concerned if you are using only L glass?

I got the 5D IV and returned it as it wasn't a big enough jump over my 5D III. The extra DR was nice, but not enough to make me pay the original 3400. I wanted to see if the 5Dsr might be an attractive option for the outdoor photos. I don't use my camera for videos, but really do want higher resolution as I really value details in the photos I take. My taste, please no stones...

 

[scottkinfw]

5DS series was never advertised as a dedicated or capable video camera, but rather a big megapixel monster for still images. Still is actually and the successor probably will continue that trend.

These are opinions of what YOU think it should be. You may not be the majority, or the demographic that actually buys this camera the most! Canon usually makes evolutionary changes, not revolutionary changes so it would not be reasonable to expect differently about the next release.

I am considering a high res camera, and I would likely be thrilled to have the next iteration. Video? Not that important to me.

Just another perspective.

sek

 

[scottkinfw]

I own a 1Dx, 1Dx mk2 and 5DsR...theres no bias...its honesty. Canon cant help itself from protecting the cinema line to make the camera that needs to be made. Also hows it gonna handicap the 5DsR mk2 to protect the 5D mk4. We all know the 5DsR wont be 4k60p...but it should be and not at 800mbps. Will it have 4k hdmi out...probably not. Now I cant do 4k live streams. I dont want to switch. I hate the way the a9 feels in my hands and ive shot over 7,000 pics with it. I want DPAF but whats the point if I need to spend over 1,000 per hour of CFast2 4k60p. Im willing to live with GOOD ENOUGH video AF sony has now.

Id pay 6,000 for a 5DsR mk2 with low light equal to the a7r iii, 4k 60p, IBIS, 4k hdmi out, 8-10 fps, 50 RAW frame buffer uncompressed, DPAF, wifi. Thats all very realistic. If I saw a leak that it was coming out next summer Id wait for it unless the A7Siii pulled me away from the C200.

I want canon to do better. Im not gonna make excuses for it to keep being less than it should be.

Oh and my 5DsR is USELESS for profesisonal video. thats really the biggest thing pushing me away from it. Hell a canon xf400 has DPAF and 4k60P out.

The fact you have Canon does not mean the poll is not biased. The blend of questions is biased, the reason you set up the poll is biased towards a weak point of Canon (video).
I presume you will not be applying for a job at Gallup any time soon.

I agree. I didn't answer the poll question because there was no realistic answer I could agree with.

Scott

 

[edoorn]

What is everyone's experience using the 5Ds/r for landscape or wildlife photography? Can you use it hand-held? Any reason to be concerned if you are using only L glass?

I got the 5D IV and returned it as it wasn't a big enough jump over my 5D III. The extra DR was nice, but not enough to make me pay the original 3400. I wanted to see if the 5Dsr might be an attractive option for the outdoor photos. I don't use my camera for videos, but really do want higher resolution as I really value details in the photos I take. My taste, please no stones...

I rented a 5ds for a week of wildlife shooting (mainly big cats) in the Mara last year. Ita not a very fast camera but those pixels, that’s amazing to have.

Hand held can be done but I shot it off a bean bag a lot. Have a large print with cheetah’s now in the living room, taken with 100-400ii and converter and it looks great.

The 5d4 is really a great camera (much more improvements than just the dr) and I hope they will bring the tech from this cam to a 5ds II. Along with a tilt screen and hopefully some other surprises

 

[scottkinfw]

The 5DSR Mark I hasn't really impressed me as a camera.
Maybe its my version but the 5D III and 5D IV that I have are better in terms of image quality.
It doesn't perform well as the ISO goes up.
I was never blown away by its detail as I didn't think it ever showed any more detail than a 5D III.
I'd find the image quality in the 5D IV much better than it.
You know the file size when you are buying it but 50mp tends to be a waste.
I think they crammed too many MP's in the sensor to get to fifty and overstretched it.
I've felt the same with the 7DII (similar if not same MP density).
It wasn't a great buy.
It is slow, there is a second or two delay between taking the photo and it displaying which I find annoying.
It performs best on a tripod at ISO100.
If they bring out a 5DSR Mark II it would need to be really excellent to convince me to upgrade.
The detail it would bring out would have to be a step above the 5D IV.
It's performance at ISO 1600 onwards would need to be alot better

Of course it could be mirrorless which would be a different take.
I think if Canon go mirrorless the first camera has to be very good.

What lenses are you using on the 5Dsr? That could make a huge difference in image quality.

Scott

 

[Mikehit]

What is everyone's experience using the 5Ds/r for landscape or wildlife photography? Can you use it hand-held? Any reason to be concerned if you are using only L glass?

I got the 5D IV and returned it as it wasn't a big enough jump over my 5D III. The extra DR was nice, but not enough to make me pay the original 3400. I wanted to see if the 5Dsr might be an attractive option for the outdoor photos. I don't use my camera for videos, but really do want higher resolution as I really value details in the photos I take. My taste, please no stones...

Why would you not be able to use it handheld? Or with L glass? Are you referring to comments about is showing flaws in technique?
If so, then understand one thing: even if you had a tera-zillion MP camera, the image quality will never be any more worse or have more flaws than with a 20MP, 50MP or a 100MP sensor (and by flaws I mean camera shake, subject movement, lens aberrations or diffusion). What does happen is that poor technique will inhibit realising the benefits of more pixels - a lot people look at an image 1:1 on the computer and say "this is soft! I need to use a tripod" but that is because at 1:1 you are looking at a larger image.

Yes, the 5DSR will give more detail, but likely at the expense of dynamic range. There is no free lunch. In good light I would say use the 5DSR, in low light the 5DIV starts to pull ahead - you can downsample the 5DSR and get closer to the DR of the 5DIV (or the 5DIII), but it is all compromises.
I find exactly the same thing with my 7D2 compared to 1Dx2, but then I got the 1Dx2 not for IQ but for AF compared to my 7D2 when shooting fast moving wildlife. It sounds like you will not have the same issues as I do.
I would say buy the 5DSR and have fun.

 

[scottkinfw]

What is everyone's experience using the 5Ds/r for landscape or wildlife photography? Can you use it hand-held? Any reason to be concerned if you are using only L glass?

I got the 5D IV and returned it as it wasn't a big enough jump over my 5D III. The extra DR was nice, but not enough to make me pay the original 3400. I wanted to see if the 5Dsr might be an attractive option for the outdoor photos. I don't use my camera for videos, but really do want higher resolution as I really value details in the photos I take. My taste, please no stones...

I'm not expert on the questions, but with that said, the R would not be my first choice for low light, or wildlife that is moving. Depending on your lens and the lighting, you should be able to hand hold.
Landscape photography typically relies on tripods and filters (though not always), so I would imagine that this is how it would be used for landscape pics. The high resolution of this sensor screams for the best resolving lenses, so L lenses, especially newer releases would be ideal. If I misstate anything, I apologize.

Scott

 

[Larsskv]

What is everyone's experience using the 5Ds/r for landscape or wildlife photography? Can you use it hand-held? Any reason to be concerned if you are using only L glass?

I got the 5D IV and returned it as it wasn't a big enough jump over my 5D III. The extra DR was nice, but not enough to make me pay the original 3400. I wanted to see if the 5Dsr might be an attractive option for the outdoor photos. I don't use my camera for videos, but really do want higher resolution as I really value details in the photos I take. My taste, please no stones...

My 5Ds hasn’t been on a tripod more than a couple of times. It is no problem at all to use it handheld. Actually, I use my 5Ds for street photography quite a lot, and it performs very well.

I try to keep my shutter speed about 50% faster than I would do with my 1DXII, and that usually turns out good. If I need to use slower shutter speeds, I take a few extra shots, so that I can have more to choose from, and that will usually give me a good result.

 

[ahsanford]

If only there were a leak to give me a reason not to buy the a7Riii

What a ridiculous poll. Three negative choices, one pretty irrelevant and the only positive choice so distorted in unlikely features that it is difficult to expect them and check that box.

+1.

I can't find the option for "It will only offer 80% as much as the competition but it will work reliably and seamlessly with my other gear and will sell really well" on this poll.

- A