... the A7rII has killed the Canon 5Ds 50 Megapixel camera.... :-(

[danski0224]

Where's the like button?

 

[fragilesi]

zlatko

Sorry my friend but you just don't get it do you? Lens innovation doesn't matter because you can get that Metabones adaptor to use decent lenses with the Sony . . .

And it really is a professional setup because when something goes wrong you can get support from Sony, Metabones and Canon which must of course be three times as good as just getting support from just one organisation ;D

<<<Rings Sony>>>
Customer: "Hi Sony my camera doesn't seem to focus properly even though I've got the right Metabones adaptor and a top notch Canon L-Series lens".
Sony: "No worries, that'll be a problem with the Metabones adaptor, give them a call".

<<<Rings Metabones>>>
Customer: "Hi Metabones . . . "
Metabones: "No worries, that'll be a problem with the Sony camera or maybe you could send the lens back to Canon for servicing.

<<<Rings Canon>>>
Customer: "Hi Canon . . ."
Canon: "Guys, we've got another one wanting to buy a refurb"

 

[zlatko]

zlatko

Sorry my friend but you just don't get it do you? Lens innovation doesn't matter because you can get that Metabones adaptor to use decent lenses with the Sony . . .

And it really is a professional setup because when something goes wrong you can get support from Sony, Metabones and Canon which must of course be three times as good as just getting support from just one organisation ;D

<<<Rings Sony>>>
Customer: "Hi Sony my camera doesn't seem to focus properly even though I've got the right Metabones adaptor and a top notch Canon L-Series lens".
Sony: "No worries, that'll be a problem with the Metabones adaptor, give them a call".

<<<Rings Metabones>>>
Customer: "Hi Metabones . . . "
Metabones: "No worries, that'll be a problem with the Sony camera or maybe you could send the lens back to Canon for servicing.

<<<Rings Canon>>>
Customer: "Hi Canon . . ."
Canon: "Guys, we've got another one wanting to buy a refurb"

Just what I need ... 3X support. Sweet!

 

[Loswr]

Naaah, it's not about the system, it's all about the sensor.

<<<Rings Sony>>>

"Send us your camera. We'll update you on the status in approximately four weeks."

<<<Rings Metabones>>>

First, you have to discover their phone number, which they don't provide on their contact page.

 

[zlatko]

The 5Ds 50.6MP sensor is simply a full frame version of what's already available elsewhere in Canon's lineup (the 7D Mark II).

Oh, ok. The a7RII 42.4 MP sensor is simply a full frame version of what's already available elsewhere in Sony's lineup, except that it's had a substantial amount of resolution taken away, and they have much better sensor tech available but they're holding it back to milk their customers and force them to pay top dollar for old tech. Total innovation fail.

Yeah, I know. Sad isn't it? One day Canon will catch up to Son'y BSI and stacked sensor designs but not today. Don't you feel for Sony? All of this innovation in creating new sensor designs and nobody else has anything close to matching them. btw, would you mind pointing out exactly which other sensor the one in the A7rII is a full frame version of?

Would you feel better if Sony was more like Canon and kept using the 36MP sensor in their cameras for the next 3 years?

So, did you buy your Sony yet?

 

[YuengLinger]

But I am convinced, Canon is able to do "more".

Of course they can, but that's not how industry works. There was technology for flat panel TV's in the 70's, but none of that came to market until decades later. Every new generation of TV that comes out only comes out after the previous generation has been milked. 3D after 1080, but nobody took to 3D so now its curved panel. 4K is out, but not until after everybody bought 1080. The camera industry is no different. Canon can make a 150 megapixel FF sensor if they wanted to, but that's makes no sense.

There might have been "technology...in the 70's," but there weren't the right transistors, CPU's, LCD's, or equipment to manufacture any of it. Unless, maybe, it was all sitting in Sony's secret warehouses on the dark side of the moon...

 

[psolberg]

I think for the landscape user, if sony ships lossless raw via firmware it very much has considering you can mount all the glass via adapters and fast AF isn't needed for this crowd.

However one thing is for sure even if you are not getting one: everybody is talking sony and basically looking at the canon sensor as an oversized ancient sensor created only to please somebody who needed to say "hey we got high MP too". Canon missed the boat in 4K again, missed the boat in dynamic range, again, and missed the boat on low light performance, again...at least according to what we know so far but that is the point: sony stole the show.

If the 5Dmk4 is nothing but another low MP body in the 20's canon is asking for compromises in noise, DR and video just for a marginal gain in detail and probably only at low ISOs before canon's high noise creeps in destroying any real gains. If sony ships that firmware for lossless compression, it is over. As great as I think the prospect of 50MPs raws are, there is just no sane way to justify the canon loses just to get that extra few details. Sony simply created the most versatile and balanced sensor period.

 

[3kramd5]

If sony ships that firmware for lossless compression, it is over.

In before Neuro: YAPODFC.

I kinda doubt lossless compression from Sony will cause a mass exodus from canon. After all, it's already available with a sony sensor from Nikon.

 

[bdunbar79]

<everybody is talking sony and basically looking at the canon sensor as an oversized ancient sensor created only to please somebody who needed to say "hey we got high MP too".>

I honestly don't think anyone is saying that. The sensor in the 50 MP camera is the exact same size as any other FF sensor.

 

[bdunbar79]

<If the 5Dmk4 is nothing but another low MP body in the 20's canon is asking for compromises in noise,>

That doesn't make any sense either.

 

[Loswr]

If sony ships that firmware for lossless compression, it is over.

In before Neuro: YAPODFC.

I kinda doubt lossless compression from Sony will cause a mass exodus from canon. After all, it's already available with a sony sensor from Nikon.

+1

I hope that was just hyperbole but sadly, I think he actually believes that tripe.

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

But I am convinced, Canon is able to do "more".

Of course they can, but that's not how industry works. There was technology for flat panel TV's in the 70's, but none of that came to market until decades later. Every new generation of TV that comes out only comes out after the previous generation has been milked. 3D after 1080, but nobody took to 3D so now its curved panel. 4K is out, but not until after everybody bought 1080. The camera industry is no different. Canon can make a 150 megapixel FF sensor if they wanted to, but that's makes no sense.

You're wrong about TVs. The TV manufacturers saw such a large take up of new TV sales when 1080p screens became affordable that they have been looking for ways to maintain that level of sales. 3D was one attempt to do that. 4K is the next (next year nearly all flat panel TVs will be 4K - only the very cheap models will be 1080p - 4K is the new 3D.) Curved panels are another gimmick to try and drive replacement sales of TVs.

Its tough to separate the gimmicks from decent advances, particularly from reading advertising and spec sheets. I take a wait and see approach. I bought a Panasonic LCD TV a couple of years back after they started to slide and cut prices. First, I brought home a top of the line Samsung 3D model. I did not like so many things about it, but the shiny screen that picked up every reflection was the final straw, so it went back after 2 weeks. The Panasonic has a matte screen, and IPS panel, and the remote is much easier to use too. Little things like a much faster processor that makes use of the internet videos much faster and easier add up. You have to hand it to Samsung though, they are selling while everyone else is struggling.