The Canon EOS-1D X Mark II Coming in at 24mp? [CR2]

[can0nfan2379]

Personally I'm hoping for it to come in at the 26-28 Mpx range similar to the pixel density of the 1DIV but with 2016 sensor tech / noise / high ISO improvements.

Silent shutter is also desirable as the "silent shutter" on the 1D4 is a joke compared to my 5D3.

 

[gregory4000]

Great, They threw me a bone...
But what else?
BSI sensor....probably not, Canon doesn't have the tech.
IS sensor ...why when they have me paying extra for 'IS' in every lens I buy
Unless Im shooting high action sports or wildlife, Am I really getting a better camera?
ISO will only marginally better which kinda s**ks for a 4 year upgrade.
If you look at the advancement from the competition, its as if Canon is riding on its name for success
and not trying to give us something to WOW over.
I wanna WOW!!!!
Not a bone

 

[3kramd5]

BSI sensor....probably not, Canon doesn't have the tech.

Probably wouldn't be much of a point. Even at 24MP, you're still in the realm of diminishing returns.

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

Unless Canon does something with low ISO DR, they won't get any business from me anymore.... It's time for them to catch up at least!

To all Canon fanboys (before they step in to defend their beloved company), no matter how you defend, I have seen a bunch of fellow photographers switching to something else. You are happy with Canon's offerings? Good for you! But there will be less and less people in your boat. The only thing holding me a bit is the glass lineup. But the way Sigma stepped up, I believe Art lineup will be complete in 2 years and I will have the option to select any body. Good luck Canon

Does Sigma pay you to Troll here? (You accuse us of being paid by Canon to post here) You now have 14 posts, all of them trolling and none of them useful or helpful to anyone. If all of your friends are switching, that's fine, they are going to find out that the grass is not always greener, but if they find a system that works for them, that's great. The main reason that different camera companies exist is that one camera or system does not meet the needs of all.

Pro photographers look for a camera that plays well as a system, and consider service support, reliability. If those are of little value to you, and you don't mind waiting for 3 months for a repair, go for it.

 

[privatebydesign]

Unless Canon does something with low ISO DR, they won't get any business from me anymore.... It's time for them to catch up at least!

To all Canon fanboys (before they step in to defend their beloved company), no matter how you defend, I have seen a bunch of fellow photographers switching to something else. You are happy with Canon's offerings? Good for you! But there will be less and less people in your boat. The only thing holding me a bit is the glass lineup. But the way Sigma stepped up, I believe Art lineup will be complete in 2 years and I will have the option to select any body. Good luck Canon

Does Sigma pay you to Troll here? (You accuse us of being paid by Canon to post here) You now have 14 posts, all of them trolling and none of them useful or helpful to anyone. If all of your friends are switching, that's fine, they are going to find out that the grass is not always greener, but if they find a system that works for them, that's great. The main reason that different camera companies exist is that one camera or system does not meet the needs of all.

Pro photographers look for a camera that plays well as a system, and consider service support, reliability. If those are of little value to you, and you don't mind waiting for 3 months for a repair, go for it.

About five weeks ago I bought a 35 f2 IS off Craigslist, the guy was a semi pro with a very nice portfolio, as always I asked why he was selling his lens and he said he was selling all his Canon gear he had left, 135 f2, 85 f1.8 etc and moving to Sony.

Last week he emailed me and asked how I was getting on with the 35 and if I didn't like it he'd buy it back, I asked why and he said he hadn't got on with the Sony and sent it all back and he was going back to Canon again. Just one, I know, but a positive affirmation of Mt Spokane's point.

Having said that I am seeing more and more Sony cameras around. Had a good play with an A7000 last week with two zoom lenses, nice kit but why in gods name are they so slow aperture wise and what is with that EVF blackout thing after taking a picture?

 

[privatebydesign]

Great, They threw me a bone...
But what else?
BSI sensor....probably not, Canon doesn't have the tech.

How do you know that?

IS sensor ...why when they have me paying extra for 'IS' in every lens I buy

Canon have stated many times the numerous advantages of in lens stabilisation and their commitment to it in the EF line.

Unless Im shooting high action sports or wildlife, Am I really getting a better camera?

If you aren't shooting them then you probably have the wrong camera. Canon can't help buyer ignorance.

ISO will only marginally better which kinda s**ks for a 4 year upgrade.
If you look at the advancement from the competition, its as if Canon is riding on its name for success
and not trying to give us something to WOW over.

Sorry, how high do you want/need to go? It seems to me usable 50,000 iso is a very real advantage over cameras a few years old.

I wanna WOW!!!!
Not a bone

So don't buy one, it doesn't sound like you are in the target market anyway so who cares? Certainly not Canon, or me.

 

[quod]

... and none of them useful or helpful to anyone.

How many posts in this thread are useful to anyone? It's a rumor and not even a solid one.

 

[quod]

So don't buy one, it doesn't sound like you are in the target market anyway so who cares? Certainly not Canon, or me.

So buy one and stop whining about others. Oh yeah, you can't buy one because it's just a rumor. But then again, who cares? Not me.

 

[Mdshirajum]

Unless Canon does something with low ISO DR, they won't get any business from me anymore.... It's time for them to catch up at least!

To all Canon fanboys (before they step in to defend their beloved company), no matter how you defend, I have seen a bunch of fellow photographers switching to something else. You are happy with Canon's offerings? Good for you! But there will be less and less people in your boat. The only thing holding me a bit is the glass lineup. But the way Sigma stepped up, I believe Art lineup will be complete in 2 years and I will have the option to select any body. Good luck Canon

Does Sigma pay you to Troll here? (You accuse us of being paid by Canon to post here) You now have 14 posts, all of them trolling and none of them useful or helpful to anyone. If all of your friends are switching, that's fine, they are going to find out that the grass is not always greener, but if they find a system that works for them, that's great. The main reason that different camera companies exist is that one camera or system does not meet the needs of all.

Pro photographers look for a camera that plays well as a system, and consider service support, reliability. If those are of little value to you, and you don't mind waiting for 3 months for a repair, go for it.

lol! So Canon bodies have lackings and I'm a troll if I point that out? GREAT! I should ask, does Canon pay you to TROLL here? And wait a min, I am looking trough your posts. Lemme see how many worlds you have saved by your 'useful' posts in a rumor forum!

I mainly shoot weddings and low ISO DR is vital for wedding photographers. If I was a sports photographer, I would have been happy with Canon offerings. But I guess no point explaining that. You fanboys will be trolling anyways.

 

[privatebydesign]

So don't buy one, it doesn't sound like you are in the target market anyway so who cares? Certainly not Canon, or me.

So buy one and stop whining about others. Oh yeah, you can't buy one because it's just a rumor. But then again, who cares? Not me.

Nor I.

If, when it arrives, it suits my shooting requirements I will get one or two. However I won't cry about what features a far out rumour says it does or doesn't have in a camera I am not in the target market for anyway, like gregory did.

 

[privatebydesign]

Unless Canon does something with low ISO DR, they won't get any business from me anymore.... It's time for them to catch up at least!

To all Canon fanboys (before they step in to defend their beloved company), no matter how you defend, I have seen a bunch of fellow photographers switching to something else. You are happy with Canon's offerings? Good for you! But there will be less and less people in your boat. The only thing holding me a bit is the glass lineup. But the way Sigma stepped up, I believe Art lineup will be complete in 2 years and I will have the option to select any body. Good luck Canon

Does Sigma pay you to Troll here? (You accuse us of being paid by Canon to post here) You now have 14 posts, all of them trolling and none of them useful or helpful to anyone. If all of your friends are switching, that's fine, they are going to find out that the grass is not always greener, but if they find a system that works for them, that's great. The main reason that different camera companies exist is that one camera or system does not meet the needs of all.

Pro photographers look for a camera that plays well as a system, and consider service support, reliability. If those are of little value to you, and you don't mind waiting for 3 months for a repair, go for it.

lol! So Canon bodies have lackings and I'm a troll if I point that out? GREAT! I should ask, does Canon pay you to TROLL here? And wait a min, I am looking trough your posts. Lemme see how many worlds you have saved by your 'useful' posts in a rumor forum!

I mainly shoot weddings and low ISO DR is vital for wedding photographers. If I was a sports photographer, I would have been happy with Canon offerings. But I guess no point explaining that. You fanboys will be trolling anyways.

Can you show me some of your examples where your Canon camera low ISO DR has caused you problems for your wedding shooting?

 

[Ozarker]

To all Canon fanboys (before they step in to defend their beloved company), no matter how you defend, I have seen a bunch of fellow photographers switching to something else. You are happy with Canon's offerings? Good for you! But there will be less and less people in your boat.

I get whatever I want. I don't care what anyone else has. Don't know why you do.

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[dolina]

People who complain about Canon fanbois on CanonRumors should reexamine why they registered here.

;D

 

[unfocused]

People who complain about Canon fanbois on CanonRumors should reexamine why they registered here.

;D

They registered here because they are pathetic souls who have a deep mental need to pretend they are superior to others.

 

[unfocused]

I mainly shoot weddings and low ISO DR is vital for wedding photographers. If I was a sports photographer, I would have been happy with Canon offerings. But I guess no point explaining that. You fanboys will be trolling anyways.

Can you show me some of your examples where your Canon camera low ISO DR has caused you problems for your wedding shooting?

I'm curious about this as well, especially since this forum was filled with wedding photographers singing the praises of the 5DIII for its low noise at high ISOs when it came out. I don't recall anyone complaining about dynamic range at low ISOs.

 

[3kramd5]

BSI sensor....probably not, Canon doesn't have the tech.

Probably wouldn't be much of a point. Even at 24MP, you're still in the realm of diminishing returns.

If you look at what Sony have been able to achieve with BSI in the RX100IV, it isn't just IQ that benefits but also sensor readout speed.

Per Sony, the increased readout speed is due to the use of copper wiring rather than aluminum, not due to the location of the wiring layer.

Canon's "current" process is a .5 micron process. For a 24MP sensor, the pixel pitch is 6 microns. At the very least, the traces around the pixels represents 8.33% of the surface space lost to "wires".

So maybe you could get an 8.33% increase in light gathering between a FSI sensor which lack light guides, etc. But given FSI sensors in canon's SLRs, I assume diminishing returns at 24MP. The 5DS would be a better candidate for BSI.

 

[privatebydesign]

I mainly shoot weddings and low ISO DR is vital for wedding photographers. If I was a sports photographer, I would have been happy with Canon offerings. But I guess no point explaining that. You fanboys will be trolling anyways.

Can you show me some of your examples where your Canon camera low ISO DR has caused you problems for your wedding shooting?

I'm curious about this as well, especially since this forum was filled with wedding photographers singing the praises of the 5DIII for its low noise at high ISOs when it came out. I don't recall anyone complaining about dynamic range at low ISOs.

Two different aspects of wedding photography.

Low noise high ISO is useful for indoors, at the reception. This is random and unplanned (kind of.)

Low ISO high DR is useful for outdoors, where you're doing set shots/poses. This often involves travelling to specific places chosen by the wedding party after consultation with the photographer. In the past this would have been done with medium format photographers.

They are two very different modes of photography. The former almost anyone can do with a fast lens and a good camera. The latter requires a lot more planning and thought and intimate knowledge on behalf of the photographer about the local landscape, where the sun will be, etc.

Thanks for that Dilbert. So where are your examples of your wedding photography where your Canon low ISO DR has let you down.

 

[gregory4000]

There no excuse for being rude.
As a canon user for years, I sure I speak for many that after a 4 to 5 year span,
we are hoping for some major improvements. I'm sure your hoping also.
Those who talk about the advancements of other companies and compare these to
Canon should at the very least make aware to a manufacture how their customers feel, expect or dream for.

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

BSI sensor....probably not, Canon doesn't have the tech.

Probably wouldn't be much of a point. Even at 24MP, you're still in the realm of diminishing returns.

If you look at what Sony have been able to achieve with BSI in the RX100IV, it isn't just IQ that benefits but also sensor readout speed.

Per Sony, the increased readout speed is due to the use of copper wiring rather than aluminum, not due to the location of the wiring layer.

Canon's "current" process is a .5 micron process. For a 24MP sensor, the pixel pitch is 6 microns. At the very least, the traces around the pixels represents 8.33% of the surface space lost to "wires".

So maybe you could get an 8.33% increase in light gathering between a FSI sensor which lack light guides, etc. But given FSI sensors in canon's SLRs, I assume diminishing returns at 24MP. The 5DS would be a better candidate for BSI.

I think that BSI brings other potential benefits besides the trace situation. There is a serious problem with the inductance of long leads to ground. A ground plane on the back of the sensor could reduce the inductance. High inductance in the leads is one of the barriers to fast readouts, a stacked sensor as in the sony RX10 II goes a step further in reducing inductance and allowing extremely fast readouts.

Canon is well aware of this, and issued a patent years ago. They probably found it expensive or impractical to manufacturer. Canon is very methodical and slow. when they finally do come out with a product, its well thought and tested. Its also way behind some of the competition who are willing to take more risks.

 

[3kramd5]

I mainly shoot weddings and low ISO DR is vital for wedding photographers. If I was a sports photographer, I would have been happy with Canon offerings. But I guess no point explaining that. You fanboys will be trolling anyways.

Can you show me some of your examples where your Canon camera low ISO DR has caused you problems for your wedding shooting?

I'm curious about this as well, especially since this forum was filled with wedding photographers singing the praises of the 5DIII for its low noise at high ISOs when it came out. I don't recall anyone complaining about dynamic range at low ISOs.

Two different aspects of wedding photography.

Low noise high ISO is useful for indoors, at the reception. This is random and unplanned (kind of.)

Low ISO high DR is useful for outdoors, where you're doing set shots/poses. This often involves travelling to specific places chosen by the wedding party after consultation with the photographer. In the past this would have been done with medium format photographers.

They are two very different modes of photography. The former almost anyone can do with a fast lens and a good camera. The latter requires a lot more planning and thought and intimate knowledge on behalf of the photographer about the local landscape, where the sun will be, etc.

Thanks for that Dilbert. So where are your examples of your wedding photography where your Canon low ISO DR has let you down.

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