The Canon EOS R5 Mark II – We have now seen it

[koenkooi]

God yes. what is with camera companies that they can't do something this straightforward.

While it’s not about gps, the new lumix phone app for video is a sign that at least panasonic realizes that phones exist and are actually being used.
The lumix app makes it both possible and easy to apply a lut to your camera footage, something I miss for Canon.

If I manage to capture a clip of an animal doing something cute, I can’t send it to my kids without it looking washed out due to log being used. If I use non-log I can’t fix the mistakes I make since I’m a video noob

 

[Deleted member 396222]

The Canon EOS R5 Mark II is now in the hands of people outside of the closed testing circle of Canon.

We have now seen some images of the camera, but cannot post them in any way shape or form. This is standard practice for us, but I'm sure other sites will be posting images in the near future. Or we will get permission to do so.

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"We have now seen..." More rumors? I feel after 2 years, it is time for some facts...Where seen? When seen? Being used by who ? Why can't post? And equally important, who is the "we" that have seen?

 

[usern4cr]

It does everything in the background already, but it will only start tagging after acquisition, which is the least bad thing to do.
Take the case where you are taking pictures from the backseat of a moving car, you can move quite far from the original spot while the gps is gps’ing.

Olympus has builtin logging in their phone app, so you can retroactively tag pictures, canon has something similar, but only for powershot cameras…

Well, retroactively tagging the finally found GPS position in all the photos taken after the user button press (that starts the GPS on-get-off sequence) is exactly what I'm talking about. It's something that can be done (as you've mentioned with Olympus doing it) and should be done. Hello, Canon???

As far as a GPS position being found after a delay when you're in a moving car, I say "Well, what do you expect?! You're the one that got in a moving car!" In my case, I'm always on foot and take a photo, or lots of photos at the same site. I don't care if the GPS position is off by 100 meters or so as I walk around. I'm just glad there's a friggin' GPS in the friggin' camera at all! And Canon should know this is possible so that the issue of "too much power needed" can not be an excuse for not putting it in their camera! This feature I'm talking about is just 1 way to implement it. Canon could give you the choice of a few ways to use your GPS. This way (I mention) is the only one that can bring the power usage of the GPS down towards 0 (or so close to 0 that it no longer is an issue). Everyone else that wants it on continuously, or automatically occasionally, could have that option offered in a menu to be programmed into their particular button. Just give us a friggin' GPS - Jeez!!!

 

[Kyoshi]

Can't wait for the announcement... I'm starting a new decade at the end of August (interesting gift). Can't wait to know the price in €. Hoping it will not exceed 4000€.

 

[YuengLinger]

"We have now seen..." More rumors? I feel after 2 years, it is time for some facts...Where seen? When seen? Being used by who ? Why can't post? And equally important, who is the "we" that have seen?

All will be revealed.

 

[David - Sydney]

• I routinely burn through up to 7 LP-E6NHs in an outing, and plan to continue using my 5DIV as a backup - I really don't want to have to have two different kinds of batteries, two different chargers, and two different procedures for shooting because my backup and primary body are from different manufacturers

I'll bite... what is your use case to burn through 7 batteries in an outing? I'm unlucky if I use 2 full batteries for either sports with thousands of shots or long exposures during the night.
Are you using a grip? Can you use external power?

It would be great if a new version of the LP-E6 comes out with USB charging from Canon and should be a useful upgrade for a lot of users especially when away from 240/120V power.

 

[koenkooi]

I'll bite... what is your use case to burn through 7 batteries in an outing? I'm unlucky if I use 2 full batteries for either sports with thousands of shots or long exposures during the night.
Are you using a grip? Can you use external power?

Video burns a lot of battery, if you alternate between stills and slow-mo, you can empty out an LP-E6NH in about an hour, especially with a lens that has IS.

It would be great if a new version of the LP-E6 comes out with USB charging from Canon and should be a useful upgrade for a lot of users especially when away from 240/120V power.

FWIW, Smallrig and others are offering such a battery. I've only had mine for a few months, so I can't say much about its longevity

 

[Kyoshi]

R5 MKII or R6 MKII ?
I wonder. For less than 2200€, there are offers with extra battery and adapter ring (thanks to Canon offers). There's a sale coming up in my country... I could combine some of these offers.
I currently have a 5D3 and I'm an amateur who takes photos of everyday life, vacations and especially indoor sports (Handball). I know the R6MKII will be "enough" but...

 

[amorse]

I'll bite... what is your use case to burn through 7 batteries in an outing? I'm unlucky if I use 2 full batteries for either sports with thousands of shots or long exposures during the night.
Are you using a grip? Can you use external power?

It would be great if a new version of the LP-E6 comes out with USB charging from Canon and should be a useful upgrade for a lot of users especially when away from 240/120V power.

Multi-day back country camping and landscape photography. No power source for over a week, and in general I go through about one battery a day.

I’d be all for improving the battery in that way - my last big trip planned 9 days with 7 batteries AND a usb-c battery bank (for more than just the camera batteries to be fair), but because I’m still using a 5D iv, I had to carry an additional off-brand battery charger that worked with USB-c.

 

[David - Sydney]

Video burns a lot of battery, if you alternate between stills and slow-mo, you can empty out an LP-E6NH in about an hour, especially with a lens that has IS.

FWIW, Smallrig and others are offering such a battery. I've only had mine for a few months, so I can't say much about its longevity

Makes sense if the video is handheld. I guess that using external power on a tripod would be normal.

 

[Ian K]

Canon will use whatever standard allows them to clear the buffer reasonably, minimise costs to meet the engineering spec and manage heat.
The 5 series (to my knowledge) have never had dual slots of the same type and have rarely used recent standards.
I prefer CFe v3 simply because they will be cheaper than v4 cards. That said, it is unlikely that I will upgrade due to different layout that won't fit my housing. :-(

CFe 4 is significantly faster. HDR takes too long to save in the Mark I.

 

[Ian K]

I’m also wondering about batteries. It would be good to have some n battery charging, offered by the likes of Smallrig and others.

The other issue I see is that the MH batteries seem to loose recharge capability faster than prior models. I’m not talking about shots per charge directly, but the cameras readout of the battery recharge ability (three green blobs down to two etc.)

 

[David - Sydney]

CFe 4 is significantly faster. HDR takes too long to save in the Mark I.

You are assuming that the CFe card is the bottleneck whereas I believe that it is the CPU bus speed.
8K30 RAW 10 bit is pumping through at 325MBps and the CFE v3 sustained write speed is 1480MBps (eg sony tough 128GB card) ie ~5x the video speed. The card's burst write speed is likely to be faster.
The R5ii's bus speed is likely to be faster especially if Canon goes to 8k60 and if they support CFe v4 then that is great but I don't think that it is required from a data throughput perspective

 

[Ian K]

You are assuming that the CFe card is the bottleneck whereas I believe that it is the CPU bus speed.
8K30 RAW 10 bit is pumping through at 325MBps and the CFE v3 sustained write speed is 1480MBps (eg sony tough 128GB card) ie ~5x the video speed. The card's burst write speed is likely to be faster.
The R5ii's bus speed is likely to be faster especially if Canon goes to 8k60 and if they support CFe v4 then that is great but I don't think that it is required from a data throughput perspective

The card light is flickering the entire time, which is what makes me assume that.

 

[Ian K]

In terms of gps, I would like it built in or we’re going to need a gp-e2 replacement for the new hot shoe. Having to use the ad-e1 is a mess.

 

[koenkooi]

In terms of gps, I would like it built in or we’re going to need a gp-e2 replacement for the new hot shoe. Having to use the ad-e1 is a mess.

The GP-E2 works as expected on my R7 and R8 without the AD-E1. But I would appreciate a new model that gets powered by the camera!

 

[Ian K]

Without the AD-E1 the GP-E2 doesn’t seal correctly on the R7.

 

[David - Sydney]

The card light is flickering the entire time, which is what makes me assume that.

The card light is showing buffer clearance time but it doesn't show where the bottleneck is. I can't see why the current card spec is the issue... assuming that you are using a fast CFe V3 card as there are slower ones available.

If you use cRaw file format then they are half the size of full raw files and hence will clear the buffer quicker. It is a lossy compression but has minimal shadow loss still keeping full resolution IF buffer clearance speed is the key issue. Note that the compression is CPU processing which offsets the bus speed limitations.
See if that option meets your needs.
If shadow recovery is key then longer buffer clearance is needed.

 

[Ian K]

Stock settings on in Camera HDR take far too long.

To be honest, the if speed of CFe v3 is to your liking then you are perfectly able to use them, even when the camera can support CFe v4 as the standards are completely backwards compatible. Other than CPU rates and bus speeds there isn't a difference between the cards, so I don't see why Canon would not got for v4.

 

[grilled_rooster]

I have found a dealer in Germany who accepts pre-orders for the Canon R5 II. Since Canon will probably have difficulties meeting the high demand, I have placed a blind pre-order here.