The Canon EOS R7 Mark II is Getting Closer

[Canon Rumors]

One of the most highly anticipated cameras coming from Canon is the EOS R7 Mark II. There is still a big market for the prosumer 7 series APS-C cameras and Canon plans to bring the next iteration “up market”. One of the big claims is that the EOS R7 Mark II will be the first […]

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[Maximilian]

One of the most highly anticipated cameras coming from Canon is the EOS R7 Mark II.
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Rumored Specifications:
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Specs sound nice and reasonable.
Let's see how many MP it will be in the end...

 

[Stig Nygaard]

Just bring it on. If there is a mechanical shutter (which I kind of hope there will be, unless the electronic is really really good), please make it better damped than the one in R7.
I know Canon won't, but they should still include a built-in ***.
And launch it with an RF-mount successor to the EF-S 15-85mm

 

[Zadak]

> On the surface, it looks like the rumored EOS R7 Mark II will be an APS-C equipped EOS R5 Mark II.

What does that even mean?

45 megapixels in FF is 20 megapixels in APS-C. So the sensor is not the same, obviously...

Is it the button layout? The number of buttons? R7's are usually smaller so how would that work.

 

[tomscott]

> On the surface, it looks like the rumored EOS R7 Mark II will be an APS-C equipped EOS R5 Mark II.

What does that even mean?

45 megapixels in FF is 20 megapixels in APS-C. So the sensor is not the same, obviously...

Is it the button layout? The number of buttons? R7's are usually smaller so how would that work.

I would think similar to how the 7DMKII was an APSC versions of the 5DMKIII at the time. Similar features, similar body in a crop sensor.

 

[Shashin]

I hope the firmware is fully baked on this one.

 

[tomscott]

Sounds great. Hope that most of this comes to fruition.

Three main things for me is I hope Canon start to standardise the layout rather than every camera having different ergonomics. Be nice to pick up cameras in a similar pro line and muscle memory to be retained like it used to be with the 5D and 7D line.

Secondly I hope that they can make the AF like the R5II, its so good that it rarely misses and the R7 is more hit and miss and the specs on paper dont really translate into the real world.

Third, I hope we have a quicker sensor to reduce rolling shutter, maybe not stacked like the R5II. Readout speeds of the R6II would be great.

 

[AlanF]

> On the surface, it looks like the rumored EOS R7 Mark II will be an APS-C equipped EOS R5 Mark II.

What does that even mean?

45 megapixels in FF is 20 megapixels in APS-C. So the sensor is not the same, obviously...

Is it the button layout? The number of buttons? R7's are usually smaller so how would that work.

It obviously means something on the R5ii level of specs with an APS-C sized sensor. And he says that the details are not yet known.

 

[Daniel Lindblom]

2,36 MP EVF in late 2025. That's a disappointment.

 

[SnowMiku]

I wonder if they will bring back battery grip compatibility? Any 7 series should definitely have that option in my opinion.

It will be interesting to see how much faster and improved the new sensor will be over the almost 6 year old sensor in the 90D/M6 II/R7.

Hopefully version 1 of the firmware is not too buggy, they need to get a wide variety of real photographers shooting different subjects to test it out before release.

 

[Ian K]

I woul

2,36 MP EVF in late 2025. That's a disappointment.

I would rather have 36mp than have diffraction kick in at f5.6.

 

[candyman]

I woul

I would rather have 36mp than have diffraction kick in at f5.6.

Diffraction kick with sensor of 32.5 megapixels of resolution is f/5.2

 

[John Wilde]

Third, I hope we have a quicker sensor to reduce rolling shutter, maybe not stacked like the R5II. Readout speeds of the R6II would be great.

Canon claims that their 410MP FF "demonstration sensor" is fast. Perhaps some of that technology can be transferred to their future APS-C sensors.

 

[P-visie]

2,36 MP EVF in late 2025. That's a disappointment.

I agree. A camera that goes "up market" should have an EVF with a resolution of the R5 EVF (5,76 MP). A "flippy screen" like the R6 Mk III rumor would also be (very) welcome.

 

[High Peak John]

Just bring it on. If there is a mechanical shutter (which I kind of hope there will be, unless the electronic is really really good), please make it better damped than the one in R7.
I know Canon won't, but they should still include a built-in ***.
And launch it with an RF-mount successor to the EF-S 15-85mm

Agreed. Just want it to be a worthy 7DII successor. Lots of my stuff is fast flying aircraft, and the R7 loses focus way more than my 7DII. Also like the idea of an RF 15-85. Its my go to lens for static shots.

 

[jam05]

Just bring it on. If there is a mechanical shutter (which I kind of hope there will be, unless the electronic is really really good), please make it better damped than the one in R7.
I know Canon won't, but they should still include a built-in ***.
And launch it with an RF-mount successor to the EF-S 15-85mm

If readout speed of the stacked sensor and subsequent down stream components is at 2025 tech level for a stacked sensor or SOC device then a maechanical shutter isn't needed for anything other than nastalgia.

 

[David - Sydney]

Diffraction kick with sensor of 32.5 megapixels of resolution is f/5.2

Theoretically true but has there been significant softening of images due to diffraction?
Sony has higher mp sensors for A1 for instance and it hasn't stopped them being used for professional sports/action shots.
Has diffraction been a big issue with 100/160mp medium format sensors for landscape shots? Although focus stacking is an option.

 

[David - Sydney]

The R5ii has 30fps/45mp and if the rumour is correct then R7ii with 40fps/33mp could use the same bus/bandwidth technology. Assuming that the R7ii will have 14 bit ES stills.

CFe is only needed for 8k/30 or 4k/120 recording and a 33mp sensor can't support 8k. If 4k/120 is compressed/codec and not cropped raw then CFe speeds are not necessary.
CFe B (like Sony's CFe-A cards) will reduce the buffer clearance time compared to USH-ii cards which could be a factor but having mixed CFe/USH-ii cards defaults to the slowest card speed if recording in parallel. It didn't affect the R3 substantially but that is 24mp and had a big buffer.

No mechanical shutter should be feasible but Canon felt the need to keep it in the R1/R5ii. Has anyone had any limitations for ES with these bodies eg banding under lights? The sensor will need to be stacked to have low readout time of course.

Tariff issues are potentially a problem for product releases in the US because of the launch price. No point launching a product when the local US price will be changed up soon afterwards. Perhaps the rate is settled now but was threatened to be much more than the current 15%. The alternative is to have higher pricing at the beginning or a consistent price globally to level out the overall price changes.

 

[Ian K]

Diffraction kick with sensor of 32.5 megapixels of resolution is f/5.2

Well, that’s going to be fun to use at 500mm with the RF 100-500MM F4.5-7.1 L IS USM.

 

[Stig Nygaard]

If readout speed of the stacked sensor and subsequent down stream components is at 2025 tech level for a stacked sensor or SOC device then a maechanical shutter isn't needed for anything other than nastalgia.

The cases where the speed isn't fast enough, is maybe few.
But I think I sometimes see weird artifact when using ES on my R7.
And ES usually also hurts dynamic range. R5II mechanical vs ES on photonstophotos:


https://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Canon EOS R5 Mark II,Canon EOS R5 Mark II(ES)