The Canon EOS R7 Mark II is in the Wild
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ref the R7 II. If it doesn't include a stacked BSI sensor, I don't see it being a big seller to those who own the R7. BSI is old tech but it is the best tech for sensors. It is sharper imaging than the Front Side Illuminated (FSI) sensors of old. What do we want? We want the sharpest image we can acquire. Just an opinion. Stacked is for the processing speeds. BSI is for the image quality.
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Sorry, but...huh? You could argue that BSI delivers better signal-to-noise (which is true, but while relevant for smartphones it's not really relevant at pixel sizes for ILCs). But better sharpness? Can you support that claim with evidence?
The main difference that BSI can make is with noise (as above, the magnitude of benefit is inversely proportional to pixel size), and the main way that plays out for image quality is dynamic range. In a very relevant comparison, check out the R5 (FSI) vs. the R5II (stacked/BSI). You're asking for a stacked/BSI sensor in the R7II, but in fact the R5 has slightly better dynamic range than the R5II. Having said that, the difference is pretty minor and not likely to have any real-world significance, so yes – the stacked/BSI sensor is better because it has a faster readout meaning less rolling shutter (and the ability to use flash with eShutter), and those are meaningful benefits. But they come from the stacking, not the BSI (even though the latter is required for the former).
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On top of what neuro said, one indirect sharpness benefit from stacking would be more practical electronic shutter use, which means less blur from shutter shock at long focal lengths.
The current R7 has electronic first curtain as a compromise, but it doesn't complely elimate shutter shock. EFC also disables some features, like IBIS auto-leveling, that work with ES.
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Excited. I hope it will be released and available for purchase before/in early June. Wouldn't mind Tamron or especially Sigma releasing some fast APS-C lenses for the occasion. Personally hoping for an updated Sigma 50-100mm f/1.8 APS-C lens, similar to how they refreshed the 18-35mm f/1.8 with the 17-40mm f/1.8 that is both much lighter and smaller.
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I agree; what I’m suggesting is that going forward Canon could use the 3 series model number for their (even) higher mp body, and as such it would essentially be a R5S - a five series style body. I just can’t see how a version two update of the current R3 would fit into the Canon lineup without diluting the position of the R1.
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I can't see an R3II of any sort, but if there's another 3-series it would have to be the R3II and would you really expect a MkII version of a gripped, low MP body to be a non-gripped, high MP body? I don't see how that makes any sense. On the other hand, Canon had the 5D series and came out with one of them that was high MP called the 5Ds. So why call a new, non-gripped high MP body an R3II instead of an R5s? I really just don't get it.
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I think we both agree that a mark two R3 in its current form doesn't seem to have a logical place in the current Canon lineup. The original EOS 3 was not a gripped body, nor was the EOS 1 for that matter, but times, circumstances and requirements change. However, there is a perceived gap in the current Canon line up in that they do not offer a high mp body, that is a body that has a significantly higher resolution / output than the current model range. Form a commercial point of view I would have thought that a separate high mp model series would be a more attractive sales proposition than a higher res version of a current model, as Canon previously did with their 5Ds/sr. To this end, Canon have the 3 series position available, which makes sense from a marketing position as it would be below the 1 series but above the 5 series. Of course there is no physical different between an R5S and an R3 in virtually the same body but with a much higher res sensor, but that is marketing semantics. As you point out, Canon will know their margins and profits on the 5DS/sr, and perhaps they feel they could be more commercially successful next time.
So, as the first R3 series is a gripped, budget R1 does that mean its form is written in stone from now on ? I don't think it has to be.
Also, remember that you just didn't get Canon putting a crop sensor into the RF mount
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You're ignoring a couple of rather important differences. The EOS 3 was a film camera, not a digital camera (#D) or a mirrorless camera (R#). More importantly, the EOS 3 launched in 1998 – it was over two decades and literally a generation (in people terms) before the R3 and Canon's re-use of the series numeral.
Written in stone from now on? No. But it seems far too soon given that the R3 is still current and being sold directly by Canon. Having an R3II that differs wildly from the model it's directly replacing in the lineup and nomenclature seems like a complete non-starter.
Why? I think the point of the 5Ds/R was that it was a 5-series body. An very successful line for Canon, and they wanted to make the point that it was very much a part of that line but with a high MP sensor. I think the same applies today, with the still-successful 5-series.
I didn't get it because of the very successful EOS M line. But Canon didn't keep that around, they killed it.Also, remember that you just didn't get Canon putting a crop sensor into the RF mount
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As a fan of the R7 since it came out - and of the thumbwheel by the eyepiece - my wishlist for the R7 II is simple: a BSI sensor and a traditionally-placed third wheel in addition to the eyepiece thumbwheel, though changing it a horizontal thumbwheel near the eyepiece (like on the R6) would be fine. If they take out the mechanical shutter, I'd be fine with a "sensor shield" that closes when the camera is switched off while changing lenses.
No reason to bar the battery grip, though I'm not likely to get one - had one for the 70D/80D - which I never used.
Please let both card slots be the same type, either both UHD or both CF- what's the point of a backup card if it's a different type?
No reason to bar the battery grip, though I'm not likely to get one - had one for the 70D/80D - which I never used.
Please let both card slots be the same type, either both UHD or both CF- what's the point of a backup card if it's a different type?
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That dial has not impacted my shooting whatsoever. YMMVAmen to this. Not going to buy any camera with the photo/video on the left. Toys like that are for those with short lenses. We, the ones with more length, demand better designs.
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I’d be happier if there had have been leaks and rumours about the R7ii during the olympics. I’m hoping the body was olympics worthy and it just flew under the radar. I really want an APSC that pairs well with my R5. However, I guess when you have access to all the big whites Canon had there to loan out, an APSC looses much of its appeal…
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Nikon has been reluctant to make a high level crop sensor camera. Canon did make a quality crop sensor camera with the R7 and they are improving on it immensely with the R7ii slated for this year 2026.
Supposedly Nikon is bringing the Z90 ( unicorn ) to market in 2026 as well though have my doubts on the validity even if the information comes from a reputable YouTube source.
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The 7-series is Canon’s red-headed stepchild. Longest update cycle, moved downmarket with the DSLR to MILC transition. I take any rumors with a large grain of salt, especially those suggesting high-end features.
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Are you a hybrid wildlife (or other quick situation) shooter with a long lens? If not, then it probably won't affect you at all.
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I agree with your statement...R7 wheel placement was a huge improvement over the old placement. However many cant seem to learn new ways to use a camera so with too many complaints, now its gone. They should have changed all of there cameras to the R7 wheel placement.
The wheel on the R7 is perfect for using FV mode. It is so easy to change your settings quickly while looking through the viewfinder.
People get set in there ways and I bet many haven't even tried FV mode yet.
Manual mode is a thing of the past after using the R7 and FV with that perfectly placed thumbwheel. Its like riding a bike once you setup along with the above the buttons to access what you need to make setting quickly right inside the viewfinder.
Its been a fantastic change for me. And I am not a young guy. I've used the old method since the start.
I also have a 6D and doesn't bother me using it. So I don't understand this R7 thumb wheel issue many complain about. Does it really cause finger cramps? The old way is more of a finger cramp. IMO
The wheel on the R7 is perfect for using FV mode. It is so easy to change your settings quickly while looking through the viewfinder.
People get set in there ways and I bet many haven't even tried FV mode yet.
Manual mode is a thing of the past after using the R7 and FV with that perfectly placed thumbwheel. Its like riding a bike once you setup along with the above the buttons to access what you need to make setting quickly right inside the viewfinder.
Its been a fantastic change for me. And I am not a young guy. I've used the old method since the start.
I also have a 6D and doesn't bother me using it. So I don't understand this R7 thumb wheel issue many complain about. Does it really cause finger cramps? The old way is more of a finger cramp. IMO
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