The first 1DXIIs are out

Photox said:
I think the High ISO is phenomenal! 1Dx MkI is way way worse, and I think we are getting very very close to Nikon in terms of quality in high ISO. I've edited some Large JPEGs in Lightroom (ISO25600,40000 and 51200) and I think its more than usable. I can see myself using ISO12800 as I used ISO1600 on my 1D4.

DR also improved, we've been seeing some ISO100 -3EV shots fully recovered with some outstanding detail as well.

So you think Nikons were better than Canon at high ISO? D4 versus 1Dx say? Can you provide something to back that up, cos I've been under the impression a) no brand leads at high ISO (Canon may have been a little ahead even), and b) the 1Dx is superb for that - although the 1DxII looks even better.
 
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KiagiJ said:
1dx mark ii sample images apparently. No exif data tho, I'd like to know the iso values hmm

https://davisworkshops.smugmug.com/Canon-EOS-1DXMarkII/

These are not good....lots of OOF photos and the high ISO is also not good. I have a hard time believing that these are from a 1DXII

There are several of the portraits that are just so OOF that they are not usable.

Anyone can manipulate EXIF.....at least I hope that these are not 1DXII....not even close to the other samples I have seen
 
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Travelintrevor said:
KiagiJ said:
1dx mark ii sample images apparently. No exif data tho, I'd like to know the iso values hmm

https://davisworkshops.smugmug.com/Canon-EOS-1DXMarkII/

These are not good....lots of OOF photos and the high ISO is also not good. I have a hard time believing that these are from a 1DXII

There are several of the portraits that are just so OOF that they are not usable.

Anyone can manipulate EXIF.....at least I hope that these are not 1DXII....not even close to the other samples I have seen

You're an idiot, troll or blind, which is it?
 
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Meatcurry said:
Travelintrevor said:
KiagiJ said:
1dx mark ii sample images apparently. No exif data tho, I'd like to know the iso values hmm

https://davisworkshops.smugmug.com/Canon-EOS-1DXMarkII/

These are not good....lots of OOF photos and the high ISO is also not good. I have a hard time believing that these are from a 1DXII

Wow. You are the reason why I stay away from these sites and rarely comment. Too many gutless and pathetic keyboard warriors out there that can't tell their f stop from a door stop. Congrats, you won my a@# wipe of the day award.

BTW, I live in Ashburn, VA in case you want to come and call me those names in person.

There are several of the portraits that are just so OOF that they are not usable.

Anyone can manipulate EXIF.....at least I hope that these are not 1DXII....not even close to the other samples I have seen

You're an idiot, troll or blind, which is it?

Wow. You are the reason I stay away from these sites. Too many gutless and pathetic keyboard warriors out there that can't tell their f stop from a door stop. You win my a#$ hat of the day award.

I live in Ashburn, VA in case you ever want to say something to my face.
 
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Travelintrevor said:
Meatcurry said:
Travelintrevor said:
KiagiJ said:
1dx mark ii sample images apparently. No exif data tho, I'd like to know the iso values hmm

https://davisworkshops.smugmug.com/Canon-EOS-1DXMarkII/

These are not good....lots of OOF photos and the high ISO is also not good. I have a hard time believing that these are from a 1DXII

Wow. You are the reason why I stay away from these sites and rarely comment. Too many gutless and pathetic keyboard warriors out there that can't tell their f stop from a door stop. Congrats, you won my a@# wipe of the day award.

BTW, I live in Ashburn, VA in case you want to come and call me those names in person.

There are several of the portraits that are just so OOF that they are not usable.

Anyone can manipulate EXIF.....at least I hope that these are not 1DXII....not even close to the other samples I have seen

You're an idiot, troll or blind, which is it?

Wow. You are the reason I stay away from these sites. Too many gutless and pathetic keyboard warriors out there that can't tell their f stop from a door stop. You win my a#$ hat of the day award.

I live in Ashburn, VA in case you ever want to say something to my face.

He was unnecessarily rude, but I would like to know what you mean... can you point to specific images you think are so bad? I thought the portraits looked excellent, though that is not my area of expertise.
 
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scyrene said:
Travelintrevor said:
Meatcurry said:
Travelintrevor said:
KiagiJ said:
1dx mark ii sample images apparently. No exif data tho, I'd like to know the iso values hmm

https://davisworkshops.smugmug.com/Canon-EOS-1DXMarkII/

These are not good....lots of OOF photos and the high ISO is also not good. I have a hard time believing that these are from a 1DXII

Wow. You are the reason why I stay away from these sites and rarely comment. Too many gutless and pathetic keyboard warriors out there that can't tell their f stop from a door stop. Congrats, you won my a@# wipe of the day award.

BTW, I live in Ashburn, VA in case you want to come and call me those names in person.

There are several of the portraits that are just so OOF that they are not usable.

Anyone can manipulate EXIF.....at least I hope that these are not 1DXII....not even close to the other samples I have seen

You're an idiot, troll or blind, which is it?

Wow. You are the reason I stay away from these sites. Too many gutless and pathetic keyboard warriors out there that can't tell their f stop from a door stop. You win my a#$ hat of the day award.

I live in Ashburn, VA in case you ever want to say something to my face.

He was unnecessarily rude, but I would like to know what you mean... can you point to specific images you think are so bad? I thought the portraits looked excellent, though that is not my area of expertise.

Yep, I would also like to know what you mean, but as I suspect you are a blind, idiot just trolling canons I don't think you will be able to justify your comments.
 
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Meatcurry said:
scyrene said:
Travelintrevor said:
Meatcurry said:
Travelintrevor said:
KiagiJ said:
1dx mark ii sample images apparently. No exif data tho, I'd like to know the iso values hmm

https://davisworkshops.smugmug.com/Canon-EOS-1DXMarkII/

These are not good....lots of OOF photos and the high ISO is also not good. I have a hard time believing that these are from a 1DXII

Wow. You are the reason why I stay away from these sites and rarely comment. Too many gutless and pathetic keyboard warriors out there that can't tell their f stop from a door stop. Congrats, you won my a@# wipe of the day award.

BTW, I live in Ashburn, VA in case you want to come and call me those names in person.

There are several of the portraits that are just so OOF that they are not usable.

Anyone can manipulate EXIF.....at least I hope that these are not 1DXII....not even close to the other samples I have seen

You're an idiot, troll or blind, which is it?

Wow. You are the reason I stay away from these sites. Too many gutless and pathetic keyboard warriors out there that can't tell their f stop from a door stop. You win my a#$ hat of the day award.

I live in Ashburn, VA in case you ever want to say something to my face.

He was unnecessarily rude, but I would like to know what you mean... can you point to specific images you think are so bad? I thought the portraits looked excellent, though that is not my area of expertise.

Yep, I would also like to know what you mean, but as I suspect you are a blind, idiot just trolling canons I don't think you will be able to justify your comments.

Just curious, is this your normal interpersonal mode of communication? Personally, I think both respectful assertions and respectful replies are more effective, but to each his own.

Jack
 
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Travelintrevor said:
KiagiJ said:
1dx mark ii sample images apparently. No exif data tho, I'd like to know the iso values hmm

https://davisworkshops.smugmug.com/Canon-EOS-1DXMarkII/

These are not good....lots of OOF photos and the high ISO is also not good. I have a hard time believing that these are from a 1DXII

There are several of the portraits that are just so OOF that they are not usable.

Anyone can manipulate EXIF.....at least I hope that these are not 1DXII....not even close to the other samples I have seen
I also think the photos are a just tad out of focus. Not all though. The otter (Is it) seems good.
The birds on the other hand seem a little out of focus. The cranes with the red head as a n example. You can see that the grass in front is actually more in focus than the bird.

The pictures of the model are tack on.

On the noise i am not sure about this 020_1DXMII_©BobDavis2016.JPG
You can see the ISO is only 4000 but the noise is very apparent.
Now i have never really pixel peeped shots from 600 +2X converter. It might be that is the best sharpness you can expect. but surely they are not the best photos i have seen from a technical perspective.

From the skill of the photographer, great job though.

I am going ignore the allegation that the photographer changed the exif data. I am not that worried!
 
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nvsravank said:
On the noise i am not sure about this 020_1DXMII_©BobDavis2016.JPG
You can see the ISO is only 4000 but the noise is very apparent.
Now i have never really pixel peeped shots from 600 +2X converter. It might be that is the best sharpness you can expect. but surely they are not the best photos i have seen from a technical perspective.

That shot looks to be full of oversharpening artefacts when viewed 100%. I don't know if they've used in-camera jpegs or post processed from raw, but either way, they could be done better. But I agree, the wildlife shots are a mixed bag.
 
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Meatcurry said:
scyrene said:
Travelintrevor said:
Meatcurry said:
Travelintrevor said:
KiagiJ said:
1dx mark ii sample images apparently. No exif data tho, I'd like to know the iso values hmm

https://davisworkshops.smugmug.com/Canon-EOS-1DXMarkII/

These are not good....lots of OOF photos and the high ISO is also not good. I have a hard time believing that these are from a 1DXII

Wow. You are the reason why I stay away from these sites and rarely comment. Too many gutless and pathetic keyboard warriors out there that can't tell their f stop from a door stop. Congrats, you won my a@# wipe of the day award.

BTW, I live in Ashburn, VA in case you want to come and call me those names in person.

There are several of the portraits that are just so OOF that they are not usable.

Anyone can manipulate EXIF.....at least I hope that these are not 1DXII....not even close to the other samples I have seen

You're an idiot, troll or blind, which is it?

Wow. You are the reason I stay away from these sites. Too many gutless and pathetic keyboard warriors out there that can't tell their f stop from a door stop. You win my a#$ hat of the day award.

I live in Ashburn, VA in case you ever want to say something to my face.

He was unnecessarily rude, but I would like to know what you mean... can you point to specific images you think are so bad? I thought the portraits looked excellent, though that is not my area of expertise.

Yep, I would also like to know what you mean, but as I suspect you are a blind, idiot just trolling canons I don't think you will be able to justify your comments.

Let's start with this one:
https://davisworkshops.smugmug.com/Canon-EOS-1DXMarkII/i-8Fmv2zM/O

Granted, it could be that the lens is soft in the corners but...

then there are these:

https://davisworkshops.smugmug.com/Canon-EOS-1DXMarkII/i-m7KKCRw/O

https://davisworkshops.smugmug.com/Canon-EOS-1DXMarkII/i-5Mvzbxp/O

https://davisworkshops.smugmug.com/Canon-EOS-1DXMarkII/i-4KVbqFH/O

https://davisworkshops.smugmug.com/Canon-EOS-1DXMarkII/i-xWC66FL/O

plenty of light and contrast yet soft:
https://davisworkshops.smugmug.com/Canon-EOS-1DXMarkII/i-KL2zKWn/O


Perhaps you should go back and look again or maybe we just have a difference in standards.

The softness in the portraits has nothing to do with shallow dof....I shoot wide open all the time and still get sharper photos than these.

Did they not calibrate the lenses? Did they not check focus during the shoot? Is there an issue with the 1DXII AF system?

I don't know but, as stated, these photos are not inline with other samples I have seen.
 
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Travelintrevor said:
Let's start with this one:
https://davisworkshops.smugmug.com/Canon-EOS-1DXMarkII/i-8Fmv2zM/O

Granted, it could be that the lens is soft in the corners but...

then there are these:

https://davisworkshops.smugmug.com/Canon-EOS-1DXMarkII/i-m7KKCRw/O

https://davisworkshops.smugmug.com/Canon-EOS-1DXMarkII/i-5Mvzbxp/O

https://davisworkshops.smugmug.com/Canon-EOS-1DXMarkII/i-4KVbqFH/O

https://davisworkshops.smugmug.com/Canon-EOS-1DXMarkII/i-xWC66FL/O

plenty of light and contrast yet soft:
https://davisworkshops.smugmug.com/Canon-EOS-1DXMarkII/i-KL2zKWn/O

These look a little soft to my eye as well. On a couple of them, I'm not sure whether focus has been missed, or if perhaps shutter speed has been a little low and some camera shake has crept in?

d.
 
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Samples from one shooter do not make a well rounded review of the camera. I see these as a mixed bad of IQ and sure, not all nailed it but take into consideration the ones which do. The shooter just might be the reason for the images which didn't live up to your expectations.
 
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"The softness in the portraits has nothing to do with shallow dof....I shoot wide open all the time and still get sharper photos than these."

Being a relative beginner, I use CR to pick up information that helps me to improve. I don't have the eye that some have but thought that at least some of those shots were excellent but I'd truly like to see the shots mentioned in the quote above, done with the 1DX, because the 1DX II will be making a serious dent in my budget if the 1DX could suffice. Of course there are some features in the new camera that appeal to me too.

Jack
 
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Jack Douglas said:
"The softness in the portraits has nothing to do with shallow dof....I shoot wide open all the time and still get sharper photos than these."

Being a relative beginner, I use CR to pick up information that helps me to improve. I don't have the eye that some have but thought that at least some of those shots were excellent but I'd truly like to see the shots mentioned in the quote above, done with the 1DX, because the 1DX II will be making a serious dent in my budget if the 1DX could suffice. Of course there are some features in the new camera that appeal to me too.

Jack
Having a second thought Captain Jack?
 
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When you're as financially challenged as me there are always second thoughts. ;)

However, why, when it's in later life and something you really enjoy, would you forgo the experience or delay! My friend bought the 1DX (Nikon -> Canon) and bugged me continuously to get one and I might have except I was anticipating a 1DX II announcement and my 6D was doing the job. He died last year having enjoyed his pro camera for less than a year.

So, methinks I better persist with this while I'm still capable of handling the weight. Only thing I would have liked is just a few more MPs for cropping.

Jack
 
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Travelintrevor said:
Let's start with this one:
https://davisworkshops.smugmug.com/Canon-EOS-1DXMarkII/i-8Fmv2zM/O

Granted, it could be that the lens is soft in the corners but...

then there are these:

https://davisworkshops.smugmug.com/Canon-EOS-1DXMarkII/i-m7KKCRw/O

https://davisworkshops.smugmug.com/Canon-EOS-1DXMarkII/i-5Mvzbxp/O

https://davisworkshops.smugmug.com/Canon-EOS-1DXMarkII/i-4KVbqFH/O

https://davisworkshops.smugmug.com/Canon-EOS-1DXMarkII/i-xWC66FL/O

plenty of light and contrast yet soft:
https://davisworkshops.smugmug.com/Canon-EOS-1DXMarkII/i-KL2zKWn/O


Perhaps you should go back and look again or maybe we just have a difference in standards.

The softness in the portraits has nothing to do with shallow dof....I shoot wide open all the time and still get sharper photos than these.

Did they not calibrate the lenses? Did they not check focus during the shoot? Is there an issue with the 1DXII AF system?

I don't know but, as stated, these photos are not inline with other samples I have seen.

You're definitely not trolling, and looking at these I see what you mean. There seems to be a fair bit of motion blur in some of these, plus the ugly oversharpening artefacts I saw in the wildlife shots. Maybe only noticeable viewed 100% but still, I'm surprised they posted full size samples given these technical flaws. They look fine scaled down, but that's not much use for evaluating the camera's noise, etc.
 
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Jack Douglas said:
Just curious, is this your normal interpersonal mode of communication? Personally, I think both respectful assertions and respectful replies are more effective, but to each his own.

This whole discussion summarizes why I never post to or comment on galleries on any internet forum.

There are millions of armchair critics out there who love to nitpick other people's photos. Yet, most of these people never put their own photos out there. In this particular case, the nitpickers are going after a guy who didn't even post these pictures himself, never invited criticism and is clearly both financially and professionally successful (plus being an "Explorer of Light" which is a pretty decent indication he knows a little something about what he is doing).

There are images that might not be perfectly tack sharp, but they are excellent photos anyway and some capture a spontaneous moment and mood that far outstrips the importance of whether or not you can count every individual eyelash on the person's eyelid.

I think one person on this forum used to have a saying in their tagline that "sharpness isn't everything." That's absolutely true.

There aren't a lot of super-sharp images in Robert Frank's The Americans, yet that didn't keep him from being the single-most influential photographer of the second half of the 20th century. I was just flipping through a Edward Weston monograph. There isn't a single picture in there that would have been made any better by being a little sharper.

I've noticed that the people on this forum who have the most impressive portfolios never criticize other people's work.
 
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unfocused said:
Jack Douglas said:
Just curious, is this your normal interpersonal mode of communication? Personally, I think both respectful assertions and respectful replies are more effective, but to each his own.

This whole discussion summarizes why I never post to or comment on galleries on any internet forum.

There are millions of armchair critics out there who love to nitpick other people's photos. Yet, most of these people never put their own photos out there. In this particular case, the nitpickers are going after a guy who didn't even post these pictures himself, never invited criticism and is clearly both financially and professionally successful (plus being an "Explorer of Light" which is a pretty decent indication he knows a little something about what he is doing).

There are images that might not be perfectly tack sharp, but they are excellent photos anyway and some capture a spontaneous moment and mood that far outstrips the importance of whether or not you can count every individual eyelash on the person's eyelid.

I think one person on this forum used to have a saying in their tagline that "sharpness isn't everything." That's absolutely true.

There aren't a lot of super-sharp images in Robert Frank's The Americans, yet that didn't keep him from being the single-most influential photographer of the second half of the 20th century. I was just flipping through a Edward Weston monograph. There isn't a single picture in there that would have been made any better by being a little sharper.

I've noticed that the people on this forum who have the most impressive portfolios never criticize other people's work.

I don't think that's fair. Well, it's fair to a point, and in general. But not in this case so much.

These images were posted as samples of a new, much anticipated camera's capabilities. Specifically, a lot of them have higher ISO settings, and that is an area some those of us interested in the camera are particularly interested to see. It's essentially impossible to assess the noise performance of the 1DxII if there is significant oversharpening or denies applied (not, of course, poor focus or motion blur - the noise will show just as well in those images). That's the criticism. I happen to think the portraits look great on the whole - at a smallish size. But not at 100%.

A lot of good images look surprisingly poor at 1:1 magnification. That's a tough test, and doesn't mean they are bad images. And in general, it's not nice to be a harsh critic, and better to stay silent if you don't like something. But this gallery is a special case. It was posted for technical reasons, and it's fair to criticise it on technical grounds.

Incidentally, I post images here and have a link in my profile to my Flickr feed.
 
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