The ludicrously large 1d series

[drmikeinpdx]

Also, each ounce counts. Especially when you are hiking long distances, or hand holding for long times. Ansel did haul those view cameras up mountains, but most are not him. Surapon seems to best him, with a modern flair.

As I recall reading, Ansel Adams used a mule to carry his view camera gear. That's what I would have to do if I moved up to the 1D bodies!

Or maybe I could hire Surapon to be my equipment bearer.

 

[Mikehit]

He also had teams of assistants to move trees and boulders to create better shots.
I think photoshop is easier ;D

 

[kaptainkatsu]

I love the feeling of the gripped body. I love the ergonomics of the 1DX2. I also have a 7D2 with a grip and that always stays on except when I'm doing gimbal work.

The one plus side of the built in grip, is the ability to put buttons in better locations. The portrait orientation joystick is much better placed on the 1DX2 than it is on the 7d2 grip.

Weight isn't a huge deal to me and it balances the heavier lenses better.

The only downside is they don't fit into bags as easily.

 

[Jack Douglas]

The 6D was a good choice and I've loved it but after shooting the 1D4 for a couple months and selling it, I can't hold the 6D with the 300 2.8 without consciously feeling like the camera is slipping out of my hand. I'm confident that my acceptance of the 1D4 size/weight will carry over to the 1DX II in the near future.

Jack

 

[romanr74]

I actually thought it would be bigger.

Two words... Portrait Orientation.

The majority of my shots are done this way, and a grip, whether built in or added, is so much more comfortable.

I find a gripped body is better balanced, fits my hands better and is more comfortable / versatile than a non-gripped body

I envy you!

 

[Sporgon]

I haven't read right through this thread, so this may have been said before, but it's down to lenses isn't it ? Using very large, heavy lenses on a small body for serious work is a pain in the butt from my experience.

 

[Jack Douglas]

I haven't read right through this thread, so this may have been said before, but it's down to lenses isn't it ? Using very large, heavy lenses on a small body for serious work is a pain in the butt from my experience.

That's the thought that floats through my head every time Sony is mentioned. Weight is one thing but balance is another - who likes to carry just one pail of water.

Jack

 

[Loswr]

I haven't read right through this thread, so this may have been said before, but it's down to lenses isn't it ? Using very large, heavy lenses on a small body for serious work is a pain in the butt from my experience.

That's the thought that floats through my head every time Sony is mentioned. Weight is one thing but balance is another - who likes to carry just one pail of water.

You're quite right – just like the way a single bucket of water is often carried, balance is key...

 

[Stripedown]

since I seem to have kick started this thread without anybody actually seeing my post I'm just gonna try again

I'm currently having the exact same dilemma, waiting for 5dIV or getting the 1DX now second hand.
The camera I can get a deal on at a local store is quite beat up(magnesium visible under the black paint at some places) and has a whopping shutter count of 550k(!) the shutter has been replaced one time and the current one is at 200k. It's currently available for 2500, while all other 1dx's secondhand with lower shuttercount are going for 3300+ locally. The store also gives me a year of insurance but if I decide to keep it instead of buying the 5dIV I'd prefer to use the camera for ~4 years and not just one.
Just curious to your input on this. (the more the better)

 

[ajfotofilmagem]

since I seem to have kick started this thread without anybody actually seeing my post I'm just gonna try again

I'm currently having the exact same dilemma, waiting for 5dIV or getting the 1DX now second hand.
The camera I can get a deal on at a local store is quite beat up(magnesium visible under the black paint at some places) and has a whopping shutter count of 550k(!) the shutter has been replaced one time and the current one is at 200k. It's currently available for 2500, while all other 1dx's secondhand with lower shuttercount are going for 3300+ locally. The store also gives me a year of insurance but if I decide to keep it instead of buying the 5dIV I'd prefer to use the camera for ~4 years and not just one.
Just curious to your input on this. (the more the better)

It is difficult to advise on a camera that does not exist yet ...

Is supposed to 5D Mark IV will have more megapixel, more DR in low ISO, and less FPS that 1DX, and should reach stores for over $ 3000. If its use would benefit from 14 frames per second and a body to "bulletproof", it's worth buying now 1DX.

 

[Mikehit]

since I seem to have kick started this thread without anybody actually seeing my post I'm just gonna try again

I'm currently having the exact same dilemma, waiting for 5dIV or getting the 1DX now second hand.
The camera I can get a deal on at a local store is quite beat up(magnesium visible under the black paint at some places) and has a whopping shutter count of 550k(!) the shutter has been replaced one time and the current one is at 200k. It's currently available for 2500, while all other 1dx's secondhand with lower shuttercount are going for 3300+ locally. The store also gives me a year of insurance but if I decide to keep it instead of buying the 5dIV I'd prefer to use the camera for ~4 years and not just one.
Just curious to your input on this. (the more the better)

Given the 5D4 does not exist....
The 5D4 will not be as good an action camera as the 1DX (original or MkII) of that I am pretty sure. So if you want a general camera the 5D4 will likely have more pixels, better noise performance and be smaller and lighter.

If you have never used a 1Dx model before I think this is an ideal time to try one because otherwise you may never scratch that itch and will always be thinking 'what if...'.
Buy the second hand 1Dx. Use it and thrash it. My guess is that you will get a good 9 months of use out of it before the 5D4 comes out (if ever) and another 6mnonths before the steet price drops by the usual 10-15% and all bugs have been ironed out. Then if you prefer the 5D4 sell the 1Dx for a relatively little loss and look on it as a cheap hire of a fun camera.

 

[Stripedown]

since I seem to have kick started this thread without anybody actually seeing my post I'm just gonna try again

I'm currently having the exact same dilemma, waiting for 5dIV or getting the 1DX now second hand.
The camera I can get a deal on at a local store is quite beat up(magnesium visible under the black paint at some places) and has a whopping shutter count of 550k(!) the shutter has been replaced one time and the current one is at 200k. It's currently available for 2500, while all other 1dx's secondhand with lower shuttercount are going for 3300+ locally. The store also gives me a year of insurance but if I decide to keep it instead of buying the 5dIV I'd prefer to use the camera for ~4 years and not just one.
Just curious to your input on this. (the more the better)

Given the 5D4 does not exist....
The 5D4 will not be as good an action camera as the 1DX (original or MkII) of that I am pretty sure. So if you want a general camera the 5D4 will likely have more pixels, better noise performance and be smaller and lighter.

If you have never used a 1Dx model before I think this is an ideal time to try one because otherwise you may never scratch that itch and will always be thinking 'what if...'.
Buy the second hand 1Dx. Use it and thrash it. My guess is that you will get a good 9 months of use out of it before the 5D4 comes out (if ever) and another 6mnonths before the steet price drops by the usual 10-15% and all bugs have been ironed out. Then if you prefer the 5D4 sell the 1Dx for a relatively little loss and look on it as a cheap hire of a fun camera.

Hey thanks for your answer (jfotofilmagem too).
I can totally relate to your viewingpoint, the only thing keeping me back is the amount the camera's been used. I'd love to use it the coming months until the 5d4 comes out but is it even worth 2500 after 550k shutters? wont the camera just die on me within half a year?

Edit: to add, what if the 5d4 isnt big enough of an improvement and I decide to keep the 1DX, how long will it last me?

 

[Jack Douglas]

since I seem to have kick started this thread without anybody actually seeing my post I'm just gonna try again

I'm currently having the exact same dilemma, waiting for 5dIV or getting the 1DX now second hand.
The camera I can get a deal on at a local store is quite beat up(magnesium visible under the black paint at some places) and has a whopping shutter count of 550k(!) the shutter has been replaced one time and the current one is at 200k. It's currently available for 2500, while all other 1dx's secondhand with lower shuttercount are going for 3300+ locally. The store also gives me a year of insurance but if I decide to keep it instead of buying the 5dIV I'd prefer to use the camera for ~4 years and not just one.
Just curious to your input on this. (the more the better)

Given the 5D4 does not exist....
The 5D4 will not be as good an action camera as the 1DX (original or MkII) of that I am pretty sure. So if you want a general camera the 5D4 will likely have more pixels, better noise performance and be smaller and lighter.

If you have never used a 1Dx model before I think this is an ideal time to try one because otherwise you may never scratch that itch and will always be thinking 'what if...'.
Buy the second hand 1Dx. Use it and thrash it. My guess is that you will get a good 9 months of use out of it before the 5D4 comes out (if ever) and another 6mnonths before the steet price drops by the usual 10-15% and all bugs have been ironed out. Then if you prefer the 5D4 sell the 1Dx for a relatively little loss and look on it as a cheap hire of a fun camera.

Similar for me, I acquired the 1D4 as cheaply as possible so that I could fill the time gap until the 1DX II since I chose not to go 1DX (no regrets since it answered questions for me). Prior to that a 1D2 wasn't able to serve that purpose, being too outdated. The money from the 1D4 now is sitting there towards the 1DX II. In the mean time I'm using the 6D and taking advantage of the extremely nice spring we're having in Alberta. I've thoroughly enjoyed that camera the past couple of years.

Jack

 

[ajfotofilmagem]

since I seem to have kick started this thread without anybody actually seeing my post I'm just gonna try again

I'm currently having the exact same dilemma, waiting for 5dIV or getting the 1DX now second hand.
The camera I can get a deal on at a local store is quite beat up(magnesium visible under the black paint at some places) and has a whopping shutter count of 550k(!) the shutter has been replaced one time and the current one is at 200k. It's currently available for 2500, while all other 1dx's secondhand with lower shuttercount are going for 3300+ locally. The store also gives me a year of insurance but if I decide to keep it instead of buying the 5dIV I'd prefer to use the camera for ~4 years and not just one.
Just curious to your input on this. (the more the better)

Given the 5D4 does not exist....
The 5D4 will not be as good an action camera as the 1DX (original or MkII) of that I am pretty sure. So if you want a general camera the 5D4 will likely have more pixels, better noise performance and be smaller and lighter.

If you have never used a 1Dx model before I think this is an ideal time to try one because otherwise you may never scratch that itch and will always be thinking 'what if...'.
Buy the second hand 1Dx. Use it and thrash it. My guess is that you will get a good 9 months of use out of it before the 5D4 comes out (if ever) and another 6mnonths before the steet price drops by the usual 10-15% and all bugs have been ironed out. Then if you prefer the 5D4 sell the 1Dx for a relatively little loss and look on it as a cheap hire of a fun camera.

Hey thanks for your answer (jfotofilmagem too).
I can totally relate to your viewingpoint, the only thing keeping me back is the amount the camera's been used. I'd love to use it the coming months until the 5d4 comes out but is it even worth 2500 after 550k shutters? wont the camera just die on me within half a year?

Edit: to add, what if the 5d4 isnt big enough of an improvement and I decide to keep the 1DX, how long will it last me?

Canon 1D series cameras are the most durable but could suffer defects as any apalhelho this world.

In an analogy, if you need to drive through the desert and forest, a car like Jeep would be more appropriate than a sedan. However, there is no guarantee that anyone go resist to the end of the trip.

In other words, 1DX has more ability to exceed the theoretical durability 5D Mark iv. The first units of the model 1DX passed a recal that replaced a mirror box of the piece, and you could confirm that the drive you want to buy has already been assisted on this problem.

Statistics show that cameras usually die or too late, or in the first days of use. So statistically it is safer to use something already tested extensively, but within the lifetime of the new shutter.

 

[scottkinfw]

I know what you're saying. A couple of colleagues got 5D3s plus the grip and I always thought it looked huge and too bulky but since they bought body and grip together right from day one, it's the norm for them.

When I got my 70-200 f4 I thought it was huge - biggest lens I'd owned. A few years later I then got the 300mm f2.8. Huge! Now the 70-200 seems small. A few more years pass and I get the 500mm f4. Really huge!! Now the 300 seems pocket-sized.

Your perception will change as you get used to handling the gear.

One thing to remember, big gear gets big attention. You can be in the middle of a forest and as soon as you pull out a big lens, someone will appear and ask if you're a professional.

To answer Q4, no. However just say you could still trade her in for a younger model.

Guy it is much cheaper to not trade her in.

Just saying.

Sek

 

[scottkinfw]

My limited experience (1DX went back after 2 days for defective Card 1 reader) coming from a 5DIII was that at first this was like a double phone book, a bit scary. The weight difference didn't really matter, and despite my rather dainty yet manly hands (size 7 surgeon's glove), the camera was quite comfortable from a weight and ergonomic perspective. Of course, more buttons buttons and lCD screens, but overall when I get the replacement, I don't see a problem taking it on hikes at all. I think what everyone said is correct- you get used to the dimensions rather quickly.

Good luck.

Sek

 

[[email protected]]

It's been a month since I started this thread. You all are USELESS for discouraging someone from buying gear. Seriously, you all need to be reformed.

I now own two 1DX Mark I's. I come asking you guys to convince me not to raid my "5d4" money to pick up a used 1dx, and what happens? Well, eBay happens, along with supply, demand, and lots of people ditching their 1DX's at the very most inopportune time.

I couldn't help it. I bought one for me, and one to flip when the supply dies down. In the meantime, of course, I'm finding it's very convenient to use 2 at once, especially since I fried my 7d2 in an ill-conceived remote power battery hacking operation. I do a lot of remote shooting of wildlife. I have them most days 75 feet up an Aspen tree these days, babysitting Cooper's hawks chicks. Will throw in pic link below.

Climbing up that high with two of these boat anchors, with large glass on them and 4 pounds of clamps and such has convinced me that I remain correct: the 1DX has a terrible form factor. It could lose at least a pound, and needn't be 3/4s as large as it is. The shutter noise in silent mode is so loud, it startled an adult male Cooper's hawk from 100 yards away. But despite all that, I like them very much. I'm looking forward to the 5D4 and getting my 7D2 back, but these are a good compromise for the meantime.


Not the greatest picture, but an exciting one for me, as it shows the first young out of the egg. Two days old today. Will post more as the setup is improved and we get some prettier images...
http://adobe.ly/25KsIJr

 

[Jack Douglas]

It's been a month since I started this thread. You all are USELESS for discouraging someone from buying gear. Seriously, you all need to be reformed.

I now own two 1DX Mark I's. I come asking you guys to convince me not to raid my "5d4" money to pick up a used 1dx, and what happens? Well, eBay happens, along with supply, demand, and lots of people ditching their 1DX's at the very most inopportune time.

I couldn't help it. I bought one for me, and one to flip when the supply dies down. In the meantime, of course, I'm finding it's very convenient to use 2 at once, especially since I fried my 7d2 in an ill-conceived remote power battery hacking operation. I do a lot of remote shooting of wildlife. I have them most days 75 feet up an Aspen tree these days, babysitting Cooper's hawks chicks. Will throw in pic link below.

Climbing up that high with two of these boat anchors, with large glass on them and 4 pounds of clamps and such has convinced me that I remain correct: the 1DX has a terrible form factor. It could lose at least a pound, and needn't be 3/4s as large as it is. The shutter noise in silent mode is so loud, it startled an adult male Cooper's hawk from 100 yards away. But despite all that, I like them very much. I'm looking forward to the 5D4 and getting my 7D2 back, but these are a good compromise for the meantime.


Not the greatest picture, but an exciting one for me, as it shows the first young out of the egg. Two days old today. Will post more as the setup is improved and we get some prettier images...
http://adobe.ly/25KsIJr

Looks like some great shots may be just around the corner.

You are doing what I had hoped to do in 1975 when designing my own remote setup for the F1. Alas children and life in general produced so many responsibilities that the dreams never materialized. So getting back at it 3 years ago I'm afraid I'm no longer capable of going up 75 feet, however I couldn't get the concept out of my mind and ended up constructing a tree pod that I've posted quite some time back. You might be interested in the concept.

I'd love to hear more about your setup.

Jack

 

[Mikehit]

Not the greatest picture, but an exciting one for me, as it shows the first young out of the egg. Two days old today. Will post more as the setup is improved and we get some prettier images...
http://adobe.ly/25KsIJr

Now that is one of those cases of 'who gives a stuff about quality (framing, focus ISO...whatever), the subject itself and just getting the picture at all makes it worth taking and showing'.
A really good picture and I hope you post more.

 

[Valvebounce]

Hi Tiggy.
Nice shot, it does look like there should be lots more! ;D +1000 on what Mikehit said too.

As for not convincing you not to buy, I think you were cheating! I mean the way you worded the title just provokes people to convince you you are wrong, it's no wonder you now have two! ;D 8)

Cheers, Graham.

It's been a month since I started this thread. You all are USELESS for discouraging someone from buying gear. Seriously, you all need to be reformed.

I now own two 1DX Mark I's. I come asking you guys to convince me not to raid my "5d4" money to pick up a used 1dx, and what happens? Well, eBay happens, along with supply, demand, and lots of people ditching their 1DX's at the very most inopportune time.

Not the greatest picture, but an exciting one for me, as it shows the first young out of the egg. Two days old today. Will post more as the setup is improved and we get some prettier images...
http://adobe.ly/25KsIJr