The Next Cinema EOS Camera Will Be..... [CR2]

[Ebrahim Saadawi]

Yes we already are getting the supersampling advantage with current C100. It's just done in-camera. That's why the image is very sharp and the colours and very robust and not prone to banding/breaking. The noise is finer/smaller too. The advantage to that appoach is that it saves post-production time, the disadvantage is that it eliminates the re-framing ability in post.

The difference between 1080p and 2K is an aspect ratio difference rather than a resolution difference. 2K is just very slightly wider. The difference between UHD and 4K is the same, an aspect ratio difference. Most of us have more use for 16:9 (HD and UHD) rather than 2K and 4K, these are only suitable for theatrical releases.

 

[WesEvans]

Right-o, that was my point about referencing 1080 as opposed to 2k. TVs are generally in 1920x1080 these days which is why "1080p" has become a standard reference as opposed to "2k", denoting some difference between the two. As I said several posts above, "splitting hairs".

Yeah, I believe I've already said I've utilized recomping and stabilization benefits from higher resolution (including 4k) source footage, so the concept and workflow's quite familiar to me, thanks.

Yes, ML doesn't actually replace any firmware so I'm not sure why my friend has issues with it, I've never heard of any reports about it corrupting any cameras, but to each their own.

Alright, off to see Gone Girl for the 2nd time.

 

[Etienne]

I'm just excited to see this rumor. Canon can hit this out of the park.
The C100 is great for one man band and really small teams on a really small budget.
I'm not greedy: gives us 10 bit, 4:2:2, good codecs, 120fps (or better) at 1080p, 4K , 1/2 inch good viewfinder, amazing touch screen LCD, killer low light sensor with full sensor DPAF, face tracking, wifi control, wifi transfer and streaming capability, skip the GPS. Keep the weight and size down too!
Some people dump all over AF, but when you have to interview and operate the camera at the same time it can be a lifesaver, and the DPAF in the 70D is proving to be very good for this. Allows you to film yourself on camera and stay in focus too.
The C100 mkII could be the camera of my dreams.

 

[that1guyy]

7D2 C?

Yes I want that. But I have no faith in Canon. Not even sure why I'm on this site at 2am.

 

[AndreeOnline]

Hrm. That doesn't sound quite right to me I guess.

You are right.

The 'k' resolutions are strictly cinema. 2k is 2048x1080p and 4k is 4096x2160p.

There are not 'buts' or 'ifs'. Various marketing channels might say 4k about displays that are in fact QuadHD: 3840x2160. Some might write in this very thread, even after this post, that 3860x2160 is 4k. It isn't. Just like 1920x1080p is HD, and not 2k.

It's really nothing to quarrel about, but the definitions are what they are. And one way to think about it is like this: if Canon or Sony would market a camera as 2k in the resolution specs, it would shoot 2048x1080 100% of the time.

 

[mkabi]

7D2 C?

I would get that...
See, I don't see a difference between the 7DII & the 1DX in terms of video...
Sure, the 1DX has better low light performance, but thats a given due to the FF sensor. Its still downsampled to 1080p. The 7DII has 60p... in fact, the only advantage I see the 1D-C having over the 7DII is the 4K and 60p (ALL-I), otherwise the 7DII comes pretty close.

I will wait till NAB 2015...

The GoPro 4 has 4K @ 30p & 2.7K @ 60p... in my opinion, Canon should try to reverse engineer the GoPro, and try to add that tech. into their system.

 

[Khnnielsen]

7D2 C?

I would get that...
See, I don't see a difference between the 7DII & the 1DX in terms of video...
Sure, the 1DX has better low light performance, but thats a given due to the FF sensor. Its still downsampled to 1080p. The 7DII has 60p... in fact, the only advantage I see the 1D-C having over the 7DII is the 4K and 60p (ALL-I), otherwise the 7DII comes pretty close.

I will wait till NAB 2015...

The GoPro 4 has 4K @ 30p & 2.7K @ 60p... in my opinion, Canon should try to reverse engineer the GoPro, and try to add that tech. into their system.

You forget one thing. The 1D-C also record 4k in Motion-JPEG instead of H.264, which is why, it was the first DSLR to meet the European Broadcasting Union HD Tier 1 requirements for broadcast productions.

 

[Ebrahim Saadawi]

Well it's broadcast-approved because it is 4:2:2, and over 50mbps. The 1Dc has SO much more than the 7D mk II, it has a full frame 5D3-like mode, a 4K APS-H mode, a S35 mode that looks better than the C300(!), a Clean HDMI output in 4K mode that's even beter than the s35 crop, it has Canon Log, doesn't have the EU tax limitation of 29 minutes, and of course it has a 1DX built-in!

I just wish Canon would bring some of these down to lower-end models. Why not give the DSLRs C-log? Why doesn't the 7D mk II have a image similar to the s35 crop in the 1DC? Sony is giving S-log and F5/55 quality in their DSLRs, Canon should do the same with C-log and C300-quality. It doesn't hurt sales, current F5/55 owner are just buying A7s's as B-cams, it boosts sales!

 

[Khnnielsen]

Well it's broadcast-approved because it is 4:2:2, and over 50mbps. The 1Dc has SO much more than the 7D mk II, it has a full frame 5D3-like mode, a 4K APS-H mode, a S35 mode that looks better than the C300(!), a Clean HDMI output in 4K mode that's even beter than the s35 crop, it has Canon Log, doesn't have the EU tax limitation of 29 minutes, and of course it has a 1DX built-in!

I just wish Canon would bring some of these down to lower-end models. Why not give the DSLRs C-log? Why doesn't the 7D mk II have a image similar to the s35 crop in the 1DC? Sony is giving S-log and F5/55 quality in their DSLRs, Canon should do the same with C-log and C300-quality. It doesn't hurt sales, current F5/55 owner are just buying A7s's as B-cams, it boosts sales!

You are preaching to the choir.

 

[Ebrahim Saadawi]

Well it's broadcast-approved because it is 4:2:2, and over 50mbps. The 1Dc has SO much more than the 7D mk II, it has a full frame 5D3-like mode, a 4K APS-H mode, a S35 mode that looks better than the C300(!), a Clean HDMI output in 4K mode that's even beter than the s35 crop, it has Canon Log, doesn't have the EU tax limitation of 29 minutes, and of course it has a 1DX built-in!

I just wish Canon would bring some of these down to lower-end models. Why not give the DSLRs C-log? Why doesn't the 7D mk II have a image similar to the s35 crop in the 1DC? Sony is giving S-log and F5/55 quality in their DSLRs, Canon should do the same with C-log and C300-quality. It doesn't hurt sales, current F5/55 owner are just buying A7s's as B-cams, it boosts sales!

You are preaching to the choir.

How? I am asserting that the 1DC has much more than other Canon DSLRs as a response to people who said it's just 4K resolution.

 

[Khnnielsen]

Well it's broadcast-approved because it is 4:2:2, and over 50mbps. The 1Dc has SO much more than the 7D mk II, it has a full frame 5D3-like mode, a 4K APS-H mode, a S35 mode that looks better than the C300(!), a Clean HDMI output in 4K mode that's even beter than the s35 crop, it has Canon Log, doesn't have the EU tax limitation of 29 minutes, and of course it has a 1DX built-in!

I just wish Canon would bring some of these down to lower-end models. Why not give the DSLRs C-log? Why doesn't the 7D mk II have a image similar to the s35 crop in the 1DC? Sony is giving S-log and F5/55 quality in their DSLRs, Canon should do the same with C-log and C300-quality. It doesn't hurt sales, current F5/55 owner are just buying A7s's as B-cams, it boosts sales!

You are preaching to the choir.

How? I am asserting that the 1DC has much more than other Canon DSLRs as a response to people who said it's just 4K resolution.

Relax, I wasn't attacking the first part of your post. It was just a response to the last part of your post, where you are talking about how you wish, Canon would bring some its more advanced features to some of the lower-end models. I am fairly certain that many feel that way - both on the video and still side of things.