The Next DSLR from Canon Will Be....

[whothafunk]

Probably the 80D gets 8fps and the 5Dmk3 AF system.

Judging by the fact that somewhat recent 5Ds and very recent 1Dx Mark II are still sticking to the 61 focus point AF (although revamped), I'm 101% sure 80D won't get any of it.

 

[Nininini]

Can I ask why people are complaining about the 70D focusing? This isn't the first time I heard it.

It has a snappy on sensor phase detection system, dual pixel, no?

Are there bad copies floating around?

 

[racebit]

Probably the 80D gets 8fps and the 5Dmk3 AF system.

Judging by the fact that somewhat recent 5Ds and very recent 1Dx Mark II are still sticking to the 61 focus point AF (although revamped), I'm 101% sure 80D won't get any of it.

The 70D got he 7D AF. so it would be logical for the 80D to get the 7D2 AF.

 

[Loswr]

Probably the 80D gets 8fps and the 5Dmk3 AF system.

Judging by the fact that somewhat recent 5Ds and very recent 1Dx Mark II are still sticking to the 61 focus point AF (although revamped), I'm 101% sure 80D won't get any of it.

The 70D got he 7D AF. so it would be logical for the 80D to get the 7D2 AF.

The 60D came out after the 7D, and it did not get the 7D's AF. So...it would be logical for the 90D to get the 7DII's AF, but not the 80D.

 

[Loswr]

Can I ask why people are complaining about the 70D focusing? This isn't the first time I heard it.

It has a snappy on sensor phase detection system, dual pixel, no?

Are there bad copies floating around?

Some guy blogged about a problem he had, it went low-grade viral although it turned out he had a lemon and Canon fixed it for him. Some other guy posted poorly done tests, purporting to show a similar issue that wasn't.

There are bad copies of anything out there. In the interverse, they can be sensationalized. Whatever you do, don't Google your make/model of car and the terms 'engine problems' or 'transmission problems'!!

 

[tr573]

Can I ask why people are complaining about the 70D focusing? This isn't the first time I heard it.

It has a snappy on sensor phase detection system, dual pixel, no?

Are there bad copies floating around?

Some guy blogged about a problem he had, it went low-grade viral although it turned out he had a lemon and Canon fixed it for him. Some other guy posted poorly done tests, purporting to show a similar issue that wasn't.

There are bad copies of anything out there. In the interverse, they can be sensationalized. Whatever you do, don't Google your make/model of car and the terms 'engine problems' or 'transmission problems'!!

+1

I think a lot of the problems too are caused by how gigantic the coverage area of the AF points actually is also (way way bigger than the square). Especially from those stepping up from the prior XXD cameras or a Rebel, where the AF points were pretty small and precise. This was a big point of confusion for me at first as well.

Canon shot this camera in the foot somewhat by removing spot AF IMO. It would resolve a lot of that confusion.

 

[bseitz234]

15 fps still without focus (so no mirror) would be nice.

I always wonder when people say this: What are you shooting that 15fps would be useful, that doesn't need servo focus during the burst? Unless your subject is moving perfectly parallel to the sensor and staying in the same focal plane (seems unlikely), high FPS without focus seems a lot less useful to me...

related: now that the 1dx2 has DPAF, does anyone know if its 16fps live view burst can re-evaluate focus with DPAF in between shots? or does that speed disable LV focusing?

 

[tr573]

15 fps still without focus (so no mirror) would be nice.

I always wonder when people say this: What are you shooting that 15fps would be useful, that doesn't need servo focus during the burst? Unless your subject is moving perfectly parallel to the sensor and staying in the same focal plane (seems unlikely), high FPS without focus seems a lot less useful to me...

related: now that the 1dx2 has DPAF, does anyone know if its 16fps live view burst can re-evaluate focus with DPAF in between shots? or does that speed disable LV focusing?

Still no DPAF servo for stills shooting from what I read.

 

[ajfotofilmagem]

Can I ask why people are complaining about the 70D focusing? This isn't the first time I heard it.

It has a snappy on sensor phase detection system, dual pixel, no?

Are there bad copies floating around?

Canon 70D has been a sales success because of Dual Pixel AF, and the focus system through the optical viewfinder was inherited from the old 7D. However 70D does not have all focus modes (spot mode for example), and this limits the success rate with more luminous apertures than F2.8.

There is no "generalized defect" in the 70D, but a combination of capable hardware with software that limits their full use in situations with small objects (plant stems) cheating the focus sensor.

 

[racebit]

Probably the 80D gets 8fps and the 5Dmk3 AF system.

Judging by the fact that somewhat recent 5Ds and very recent 1Dx Mark II are still sticking to the 61 focus point AF (although revamped), I'm 101% sure 80D won't get any of it.

The 70D got he 7D AF. so it would be logical for the 80D to get the 7D2 AF.

The 60D came out after the 7D, and it did not get the 7D's AF. So...it would be logical for the 90D to get the 7DII's AF, but not the 80D.

Yes, you are right. The 70D came out almost 4 years after the 7D, compared to 1.5 years from 7D2 to 80D.
On the other hand the 80D will be priced close to 7D2. And if they want to offer better AF than 70D, using 7D2 AF would save development cost. Maybe partial 7D2...

 

[Luds34]

Can I ask why people are complaining about the 70D focusing? This isn't the first time I heard it.

It has a snappy on sensor phase detection system, dual pixel, no?

Are there bad copies floating around?

I can only speak for the 70D I owned and the focus was awesome. I almost exclusively used the standard OVF, PDAF, and Ai Servo was a jem. Pleanty of good shots, tracking at narrow DOF with f/2 aperture on my 85mm. I found the 19 point system more then adequate.

While I was impressed by the DPAF, shooting in lifeview (unless on a tripod) never made much sense to me. Holding the camera away from the body was much less stable. However, I definitely saw the appeal to video shooters.

 

[kphoto99]

15 fps still without focus (so no mirror) would be nice.

I always wonder when people say this: What are you shooting that 15fps would be useful, that doesn't need servo focus during the burst? Unless your subject is moving perfectly parallel to the sensor and staying in the same focal plane (seems unlikely), high FPS without focus seems a lot less useful to me...

One type of shooting where 15fps (or any high number) would be nice is when taking a bracketed 5 shots for an exposure blending (HDR), this would minimize subject (or camera when not using a tripod) movement between frames.
I have found when using the high speed on the 70D I can move by 10 pixels between the 1st and 5th frame

 

[Luds34]

Can I ask why people are complaining about the 70D focusing? This isn't the first time I heard it.

It has a snappy on sensor phase detection system, dual pixel, no?

Are there bad copies floating around?

Some guy blogged about a problem he had, it went low-grade viral although it turned out he had a lemon and Canon fixed it for him. Some other guy posted poorly done tests, purporting to show a similar issue that wasn't.

There are bad copies of anything out there. In the interverse, they can be sensationalized. Whatever you do, don't Google your make/model of car and the terms 'engine problems' or 'transmission problems'!!

+1

I think a lot of the problems too are caused by how gigantic the coverage area of the AF points actually is also (way way bigger than the square). Especially from those stepping up from the prior XXD cameras or a Rebel, where the AF points were pretty small and precise. This was a big point of confusion for me at first as well.

Canon shot this camera in the foot somewhat by removing spot AF IMO. It would resolve a lot of that confusion.

+2

I agree things got blown way out of proportion. My buddy and I are both home, comparing live view to regular phase detect focusing, running these tests looking to see if we have a bad body that was suppose to be somewhat common. Kind of laugh thinking back to it. In any case, I ran a few tests and found no problem on my end.

As to the missing spot focus. I agree it would have been nice to have for true portrait type work, etc.

However in my experience and real world shooting I never had too many issues. I think on the Rebels, the tiny square didn't represent the full point. Where as the larger rectangles on the 70D seemed to be more accurate to the size of the focal point. I guess, that when I shot, if the focal point was covering more then the eye, I was probably back far enough (greater DOF) that focus hit. And when I got close enough (narrower DOF) the face of my subject would get large enough that the focal point (square) covered just the eye. And I was shooting a 50mm f/1.4 lens quite often too and I had pretty good results.

So while I wish the 70D had the spot focus (from the 7D), I think people make too big a deal about it. Personally I think the expanded (cross of focal points in the center) would have been more useful as the block of 9 in the middle was often too large.

 

[pierlux]

Will it be DIGIC 6 or DIGIC 6+?

The 70D is DIGIC 5 but with the 1DXII, Canon leapfrogged DIGIC 6 and went straight to DIGIC 6+.

The only case where Canon have continued with older DIGIC chips has been the EOS 1x00D line.

If the 80D is DIGIC 6+ what does that mean for the rest of the camera?

I'd be willing to bet that it would therefore include 4K, for starters.

Also, after Canon delivered 1080p in the 5D Mark II, 1080p was in all DSLRs from Canon except the 1x00D line.

4K is the "new normal video" feature now.

The 70D id Digic 5+, not Digic 5. But, in one of your previous posts (in another thread), you were suggesting the possibility fo the 80D to have Digic 7. OK, we didn't know at that time the 1DXII has dual Digic 6+, but I think you might be right about Digic 7. It has happened in the past that Canon launched a new Digic even in compact cameras and, as you correctly evidenced, Digic 4 was introduced with the 50D just before the 5DII. I suspect you might be right, why not a Digic 7 in the 80D, just before the 6DII and 5DIV?

Just a thought...

 

[grainier]

I am interested because I need a decent crop body for very occasional use and this will depress prices on 70Ds.

 

[arcer]

Will it be DIGIC 6 or DIGIC 6+?

The 70D is DIGIC 5 but with the 1DXII, Canon leapfrogged DIGIC 6 and went straight to DIGIC 6+.

The only case where Canon have continued with older DIGIC chips has been the EOS 1x00D line.

If the 80D is DIGIC 6+ what does that mean for the rest of the camera?

I'd be willing to bet that it would therefore include 4K, for starters.

Also, after Canon delivered 1080p in the 5D Mark II, 1080p was in all DSLRs from Canon except the 1x00D line.

4K is the "new normal video" feature now.

The 70D id Digic 5+, not Digic 5. But, in one of your previous posts (in another thread), you were suggesting the possibility fo the 80D to have Digic 7. OK, we didn't know at that time the 1DXII has dual Digic 6+, but I think you might be right about Digic 7. It has happened in the past that Canon launched a new Digic even in compact cameras and, as you correctly evidenced, Digic 4 was introduced with the 50D just before the 5DII. I suspect you might be right, why not a Digic 7 in the 80D, just before the 6DII and 5DIV?

Just a thought...

If what you're suggesting is true, then Canon is jumping through their CPU numbers too quickly. You have to remember that the Digic 6 was only recently introduced in the 7D2 in 2014 and then in the rebels, 5DS, and M3 and we are just now seeing the introduction of Digic 6+ in the 1DX2. It would be too soon to see the Digic 7 come to life for another 2 years at least. We would be lucky if Canon will even put the 6+ in the 80D, as I guess the 6+ will only be used for 4K cameras.

I think we will see the Digic 7 chip when Canon will show the 7D3, just like how it introduced the Digic 6 chip in the 7D2. Just my two cents.

 

[x-vision]

This 80D rumor is very puzzling to me.
Given the current state of the camera market - and the capabilities of the 70D - not sure what necessitates an update so soon.

One possibility, though, is that Canon is planning the 6DII as a FF version of the 80D.
So, they are releasing the 80D now - before releasing the 6DII in the fall.
Who knows ??

I have the 70D and find its AF system to be very good (for what it is).
One area that can definitely be improved is low-light focusing: -3EV ability would be a welcome improvement.
Not sure about extra AF points, as having more AF points will also make the AF system more complicated - something that this class of camera arguably doesn't need.

It's interesting to see how many megapixels the 80D will have.
If the 6DII is indeed planned as a FF version of the 80D, it would make sense that both cameras have the same resolution.
In that case, 28MP would seem like a good bet.

 

[Don Haines]

Will it be DIGIC 6 or DIGIC 6+?

The 70D is DIGIC 5 but with the 1DXII, Canon leapfrogged DIGIC 6 and went straight to DIGIC 6+.

The only case where Canon have continued with older DIGIC chips has been the EOS 1x00D line.

If the 80D is DIGIC 6+ what does that mean for the rest of the camera?

I'd be willing to bet that it would therefore include 4K, for starters.

Also, after Canon delivered 1080p in the 5D Mark II, 1080p was in all DSLRs from Canon except the 1x00D line.

4K is the "new normal video" feature now.

The 70D id Digic 5+, not Digic 5. But, in one of your previous posts (in another thread), you were suggesting the possibility fo the 80D to have Digic 7. OK, we didn't know at that time the 1DXII has dual Digic 6+, but I think you might be right about Digic 7. It has happened in the past that Canon launched a new Digic even in compact cameras and, as you correctly evidenced, Digic 4 was introduced with the 50D just before the 5DII. I suspect you might be right, why not a Digic 7 in the 80D, just before the 6DII and 5DIV?

Just a thought...

If what you're suggesting is true, then Canon is jumping through their CPU numbers too quickly. You have to remember that the Digic 6 was only recently introduced in the 7D2 in 2014 and then in the rebels, 5DS, and M3 and we are just now seeing the introduction of Digic 6+ in the 1DX2. It would be too soon to see the Digic 7 come to life for another 2 years at least. We would be lucky if Canon will even put the 6+ in the 80D, as I guess the 6+ will only be used for 4K cameras.

I think we will see the Digic 7 chip when Canon will show the 7D3, just like how it introduced the Digic 6 chip in the 7D2. Just my two cents.

The Digic 6 was introduced in a p/s camera a year before the 7D2 came out....

 

[Schmave]

I have a 70D, and never really had any focus issues with the PDAF system through the viewfinder (unless I screwed up, of course). I think the focus system is pretty good for the target market of the camera. The only thing I wish it did better was to track fast moving subjects better (think: miniature schnauzer running full bore straight at the camera). I think they could probably get away with using the same number of focus points in the 80D but maybe with some tweaks to the AF algorithms.

As for 80D video features, it could have 4K. Since the 1DX2 is capable of 4K at 60 fps using dual DIGIC 6+ processors, it is reasonable to think that the 80D could do 4K at 30 fps using a single DIGIC 6+ processor. I would imagine Canon would use this new processor in the 80D to help with economies of scale. It would likely use MJPEG with few to no options for video compression, but it is possible. They could probably also allow 1080p at 60 fps. I'm not sure it will for sure, but it seems as though there would not be a processing bottleneck if they use a single DIGIC 6+ processor.

Another limitation could also be the SD card slot. If they made it compatible with UHS-II SD cards then it would probably be fast enough for compressed 4K video. I know the speed of the SD controller on the 70D has been a limitation for the Magic Lantern guys with respect to RAW video on the 70D.

Heck, they may even leave the 80D at 20.2 MPixels but use some new sensor technology from the 1DX2 (such as on sensor ADCs). It could basically be a shrunk down 1DX2 sensor. Image quality would likely be quite good if this were the case.

 

[Dave Del Real]

...As for 80D video features, it could have 4K. Since the 1DX2 is capable of 4K at 60 fps using dual DIGIC 6+ processors, it is reasonable to think that the 80D could do 4K at 30 fps using a single DIGIC 6+ processor. I would imagine Canon would use this new processor in the 80D to help with economies of scale. It would likely use MJPEG with few to no options for video compression, but it is possible. They could probably also allow 1080p at 60 fps. I'm not sure it will for sure, but it seems as though there would not be a processing bottleneck if they use a single DIGIC 6+ processor.

Another limitation could also be the SD card slot. If they made it compatible with UHS-II SD cards then it would probably be fast enough for compressed 4K video. I know the speed of the SD controller on the 70D has been a limitation for the Magic Lantern guys with respect to RAW video on the 70D....

I think this only happens if the 7D2 gets a firmware update to allow 4K video recording. It is capable of 4K 24p to the CF slot. There have been memory strings found in the current firmware that indicate 4K2K recording.