The Next DSLR from Canon Will Be....

[Toni]

Take a look at the new Sony A6300. 4k video, really fast AF live view, no mirror...
The AF in the 70d doesn't works really good. And the live view AF is really slow. And anyway, you can't see live view throught the viewfinder (because of the mirror).
There is no reason to sell a 80d. It's time to sell a better M3 with integrated viewfinder.

 

[bseitz234]

I can't see how Canon could do much better for this market.

While I don't disagree that the new EF-S lenses have gotten a lot better than their predecessors, I'm still holding out hope for something other than variable-aperture zooms. I assume a 17-55 replacement is possible, if not exactly imminent, given that they clearly agreed there was a market for it, and at least haven't killed it off yet. However, what I would love to see are EF-S primes (f/2 or faster to give them a raison d'être), or an equivalent to the 16-35 f/2.8 (i.e. 10-22 f/2.8) for indoor use. The existing 10-22 is great as long as there's light and I'm stopping down, but I'd like something faster when in indoor lighting. I don't know how realistic those wants are- if they haven't made lenses at all like that by now, I don't know why they would start now. It just seems to me that there are some very fillable holes in the lineup, especially considering the number of EF-S bodies canon sells.

 

[Nininini]

Take a look at the new Sony A6300. 4k video, really fast AF live view, no mirror...
The AF in the 70d doesn't works really good. And the live view AF is really slow. And anyway, you can't see live view throught the viewfinder (because of the mirror).
There is no reason to sell a 80d.

Canon could compete with these mirrorless if they wanted.

They could put 4k in their crop bodies.

They could put 60fps in their crop bodies.

They could put wide on sensor phase detection coverage in all their crop bodies.

They could put pentaprism in all their crop bodies.

They just don't seem to give a damn lol. They are still running on brand recognition, but that will only last so long.

I have seen the video of the Sony 6300 phase detection points following the birds, car and dog, it's truly insane how accurate that thing is. The days of DSLR AF outperforming mirrorless is over.

How the Sony kept track of the bird in dim light is insane. And it's in the same price class as the 70D. The AF of my 70D is nowhere as good, not even in live view. Let alone the rebels.

 

[preppyak]

The Samsung NX1 downsamples 7K to 4K internal recording and has been out for a year now.
The new Sony A6300 downsamples 6K to 4K internal recording and is $1000 and has SLog3.
Both are APS-C sensors. Both offer 4K HDMI output.

If Canon can't do 4K downsampled from a 6K sensor and offer 4K HDMI out in the 80D, then something is seriously wrong at Canon. Either they're being greedy and just don't want to or they don't have the technology. In which case we shouldn't buy their old technology for the same price as new technology offered by others.

I fully expect the 80D to shoot 4K. Anything less at this point would be ridiculous.

This. Its why I moved to a GH4 a little while back...I didnt see any sub-$1000 path in Canon getting 4k anytime soon. And yet their competitors entry and 2nd level prosumer cameras have it.

How do you drop cam with the same 1080 video, maybe more than 19 AF points and 6-7fps...at a time when a competitor releases 4k, 11fps, 425pts, and all in a smaller package.

Which is disappointing, because Canon has such a great auto-focus lens lineup, once Sony catches up in lenses, its gonna be bad for Canon

 

[preppyak]

It just seems to me that there are some very fillable holes in the lineup, especially considering the number of EF-S bodies canon sells.

Whats fascinating is how important it is for Canon to segment their cameras; crippling certain features to make sure you need a different camera for certain markets....yet they dont follow up with lenses to match those niches. Its especially interesting because, as has been mentioned, their recent EF-S lenses have been amazing.

Tells me they can make a fast zoom, or faster tele, that is in the reasonable range ($5-700), but for some reason they have chosen not to.

 

[arcer]

Will it be DIGIC 6 or DIGIC 6+?

The 70D is DIGIC 5 but with the 1DXII, Canon leapfrogged DIGIC 6 and went straight to DIGIC 6+.

The only case where Canon have continued with older DIGIC chips has been the EOS 1x00D line.

If the 80D is DIGIC 6+ what does that mean for the rest of the camera?

I'd be willing to bet that it would therefore include 4K, for starters.

Also, after Canon delivered 1080p in the 5D Mark II, 1080p was in all DSLRs from Canon except the 1x00D line.

4K is the "new normal video" feature now.

The 70D id Digic 5+, not Digic 5. But, in one of your previous posts (in another thread), you were suggesting the possibility fo the 80D to have Digic 7. OK, we didn't know at that time the 1DXII has dual Digic 6+, but I think you might be right about Digic 7. It has happened in the past that Canon launched a new Digic even in compact cameras and, as you correctly evidenced, Digic 4 was introduced with the 50D just before the 5DII. I suspect you might be right, why not a Digic 7 in the 80D, just before the 6DII and 5DIV?

Just a thought...

If what you're suggesting is true, then Canon is jumping through their CPU numbers too quickly. You have to remember that the Digic 6 was only recently introduced in the 7D2 in 2014 and then in the rebels, 5DS, and M3 and we are just now seeing the introduction of Digic 6+ in the 1DX2. It would be too soon to see the Digic 7 come to life for another 2 years at least. We would be lucky if Canon will even put the 6+ in the 80D, as I guess the 6+ will only be used for 4K cameras.

I think we will see the Digic 7 chip when Canon will show the 7D3, just like how it introduced the Digic 6 chip in the 7D2. Just my two cents.

The Digic 6 was introduced in a p/s camera a year before the 7D2 came out....

Whoops....my bad, I forgot to include the P&S into consideration, but I still think that it would still be too soon to see the Digic 7 in a DSLR.

 

[arcer]

Will it be DIGIC 6 or DIGIC 6+?

The 70D is DIGIC 5 but with the 1DXII, Canon leapfrogged DIGIC 6 and went straight to DIGIC 6+.

The only case where Canon have continued with older DIGIC chips has been the EOS 1x00D line.

If the 80D is DIGIC 6+ what does that mean for the rest of the camera?

I'd be willing to bet that it would therefore include 4K, for starters.

Also, after Canon delivered 1080p in the 5D Mark II, 1080p was in all DSLRs from Canon except the 1x00D line.

4K is the "new normal video" feature now.

The 70D id Digic 5+, not Digic 5. But, in one of your previous posts (in another thread), you were suggesting the possibility fo the 80D to have Digic 7. OK, we didn't know at that time the 1DXII has dual Digic 6+, but I think you might be right about Digic 7. It has happened in the past that Canon launched a new Digic even in compact cameras and, as you correctly evidenced, Digic 4 was introduced with the 50D just before the 5DII. I suspect you might be right, why not a Digic 7 in the 80D, just before the 6DII and 5DIV?

Just a thought...

If what you're suggesting is true, then Canon is jumping through their CPU numbers too quickly. You have to remember that the Digic 6 was only recently introduced in the 7D2 in 2014 and then in the rebels, 5DS, and M3 and we are just now seeing the introduction of Digic 6+ in the 1DX2. It would be too soon to see the Digic 7 come to life for another 2 years at least. We would be lucky if Canon will even put the 6+ in the 80D, as I guess the 6+ will only be used for 4K cameras.

I think we will see the Digic 7 chip when Canon will show the 7D3, just like how it introduced the Digic 6 chip in the 7D2. Just my two cents.

The Digic 6 was introduced in a p/s camera a year before the 7D2 came out....

Indeed. And also the Digic 5, first in the Powershot S100 (2011). Nevertheless, though being possible, I said "might" and "suspect" about the Digic 7, in fact I don't think it's probable.

Anyway, R&D of a 1-series body is way longer than that of any lower-end product. And engineers at Canon are surely already researching & developing Digic 8 while we're writing...

Apologies if I came sounding a bit aggressive.
It's true that they may already designing the chip for several future architecture and I suspect their current architecture might be equal to the 2nd/3rd gen of the Intel Core chips. Purely guesswork.

Quite interested in seeing the next DV chip from Canon also as I'm looking forward for the 8K implementation in the Cinema line.

 

[Don Haines]

The Digic 6 was introduced in a p/s camera a year before the 7D2 came out....

Whoops....my bad, I forgot to include the P&S into consideration, but I still think that it would still be too soon to see the Digic 7 in a DSLR.

I would not be surprised in the least to see it in an 80D.... or at the least a Digic6+.... but who knows, we are all speculating without enough data..... makes for some interesting guesses

BTW, Digic4 came out in 2008, Digic5 in 2011, Digic6 in 2013.... I think we are due to see it this year.

 

[ritholtz]

Great. Can't they wait for few more months before releasing 80D. Canceling 1dx2 order now. Waiting for this which is a like to like replacement for my 70D.

 

[dufflover]

Love my 70D. In a somewhat contradictory stance, I would love it if they really upgraded it but at the same time there is nothing that is "stand out bad" about the 70D. If I had to pick one I'd say it's the brains as feature wise it's pretty good. So improved phase AF (like tracking speeds and prediction), faster Live View AF, faster SD card slot yet again to flush the buffer, etc.
This is all in the perspective of knowing it's place or Canon's history - ofcourse I would love if the 80D had some miraculous sensor improvement but well, we know the usual story there and doubt it would be in this level of body. Similarly to inherit the 5D3 also would be fantastic but I don't have too many hopes for that one and like I said the 19pt is pretty good already, just give it some more smarts.

 

[Daan Stam]

they really should have made the 7d mark II with 4k it would have been a revolutionary camera
but i wouldnt rule out 4k on the 80d. the 70d was focused on video and it was kind of revolutionary with the dual pixel af i think

 

[arcer]

I would not be surprised in the least to see it in an 80D.... or at the least a Digic6+.... but who knows, we are all speculating without enough data..... makes for some interesting guesses

BTW, Digic4 came out in 2008, Digic5 in 2011, Digic6 in 2013.... I think we are due to see it this year.

Thanks Don for pointing out the release year of the chips, it really does look like they might release it this year, maybe introduced it in the next iteration of the M series that "will shock us all"?


P.S. Can't seem to use the emojis in the Edge browser.

 

[pierlux]

Apologies if I came sounding a bit aggressive.
It's true that they may already designing the chip for several future architecture and I suspect their current architecture might be equal to the 2nd/3rd gen of the Intel Core chips. Purely guesswork.

Quite interested in seeing the next DV chip from Canon also as I'm looking forward for the 8K implementation in the Cinema line.

No need to apologize, you didn't sound aggressive at all! Maybe I should, if I gave you the feeling I felt offended, which also is not, absolutely. I replied because this kind of stuff intrigues me and I wish I was more skilled in this respect.

Not sure if, by "architecture", you actually intend "process technology".

I suspect, but actually don't know for sure because Canon are not disclosing the details, that each generation number corresponds to a specific microarchitecture, whereas the "plus" versions share the same architecture of the corresponding generation number but includes some refinements in terms of process tech and processor speed.

Back to the 80D, sensor resolution and fps will likely determine which Digic number Canon will use.

4K, if available, could justify a price point close to the current 7D2 price.

IMHO the best possible, but unlikely, conceivable scenario for the 80D is a new tech-high MP sensor, Digic 7 and 4K at about the 7D2 price.

 

[axtstern]

You are on the wrong boat my friends...I believe

After renovating the flagship with usefull but conventional improvements you do not announce a month later that the volume model will surpass it at least on the paper of amateur magazines in Innovation and Megapixel, comfort and usability. The XXD line was always where the tech geeks and price aware met. That Baby will be Born a Little later and hopefully whith something seperating it from the other Canons like the swivel Screen did for the 60 and the DPAF did for the 70

I do not know if it will be called SL2, 150D or 200D but I bet on a very tiny 24 Megapixel DPAF camera.
Call it a M3 with Mirror and a usefull AF.

 

[arcer]

I don't know if it's mentioned yet but we might see the first UHS-II SD card slot in a Canon DSLR?

 

[pedro]

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Well. no worries here about a next 5D anymore, just bought a 6D last week, and I am excited about its IQ even at higher ISOs above 6400. So, I am all about low light IQ and the if it comes to that, the 6D is way enough camera for me for quite some time.

 

[Tiderace]

CLEAN 422 8 bit 1080P out like the better Cannon DSLRs! Stop handicapping it OMG! And how about like the GH4 lets go to 4K and 10 bit 422 out! They could do it folks. This is better than raw in many ways. Yes two card slots would be nice also. How about the better dual focus sensor and better low light performance. Now you have something that will compete with Sony. If not everyone will desert Canon in the future market.

Sony is coming out with cameras that are integrated. They work together for both photographers and videographers and folks like ourselves who do both. Canon has ceased to do this. If they fail here, we switch to Sony in the future. Now or never Canon.

 

[hmatthes]

80D will undoubtedly have a kit with the 18~135 STM which is fine by me.
I have absolutely no issues with the 18~135 distortion. When I buy a kit, I first test the lens. This one exceeded my expectations.
That being said, there are always manufacturing differences (that's why I test them)... I hope that you find an answer.
I also hope that Canon starts building high end EF-s lenses with some weatherproofing.

"or, alternatively, make a smaller 18-135 STM that actually isn't terrible lol
the distortion on that lens is really bad"

 

[Ivan Muller]

My 6D is perfectly serviceable, but sometimes I do wonder what I'm missing out on shooting on a body that has one focus point.
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Ummm... The manual, maybe? Because there are 10 other points... ;D

Seriously though, the other 10 points are REALLY good, unless you're in low light. Don't be afraid to use them.

Well, unfortunately i have found the outermost AF points very very unreliable, to the extent that I just dont use them anymore...i wonder if can one calibrate them...? i must give it a try .

I hope for the 6d2 to have the 5dm3 AF system, tilt screen, wifi gps and NFC. 28mp will be nice but 24 will be ok I suppose, if they can keep the high iso quality in check....

 

[whatta]

How do you drop cam with the same 1080 video, maybe more than 19 AF points and 6-7fps...at a time when a competitor releases 4k, 11fps, 425pts, and all in a smaller package.

Which is disappointing, because Canon has such a great auto-focus lens lineup, once Sony catches up in lenses, its gonna be bad for Canon

that is why Sony produces bodies which can use Canon lenses. it already works with the A7R2, and now is should be improved with the A6300. I am seriously considering, finally replacing my 400d.