There will not be an EOS 5D Mark V [CR2]

[unfocused]

Well, first, Canon source apparently said no Mk V, not no DSLR, so responding as if there will be no option doesn't make total sense. Maybe a new DSLR line to combine several others as they shrink down that market offering. I could see a combo of the 5D line with its best features and the 1DX3 best features put into a new monster priced about the same as the R5 but with a higher resolution sensor.

As I said earlier, I think an amalgamation of the 5D and 6D is more likely. Canon already did that with the 80D and 7D, so it makes sense that they would be considering the same with their full frame DSLRs. Good news, it should be cheaper than the 5D. Bad news is there will be compromises. Repeating myself I know, but I don't think it's hard to imagine a new body that has:

• Same sensor as R5;
• Dual SD II slots (No CFexpress)
• Flip Screen like 6D
• Joystick like R5 and 5D
• No IBIS
• 10 fps
• Build somewhere between 6D and 5D
• Autofocus carried over from 5DIV (Maybe some improvement like eye, face or animal face detect)
• A bonus would be the 1DxIII thumb controller
• I would expect that it would be a little more 5D than 6D, just as the 90D is really more 7D than 80D.
• No 8K or other high-end video features (the R5 will remain the video king)

Given the aggressive pricing that Canon offered on the 90D, they might sell it for under $2,500.

With aggressive pricing, I could see a lot of enthusiasts and pros who don't need the build of the 1Dx happy with the compromises.

Canon's line up for the next few years might be:

• Two full frame DSLRs -- 1Dx III and the new amalgamation;
• Six full frame mirrorless -- RP, R, RA, R6, R5 and R5S (High Megapixel) Sorry, but if there is no room in the market for separate 5D and a 6D bodies, there probably isn't room for both an R5 and an R1 now. It might be a possibility around the time of the 2024 Summer Olympics, but honestly, if the R5 delivers, I'm not sure what an R1 gets you except a bigger battery. I expect that eventually they will drop the R and or the RP, but at this point they can just leave them in the lineup;
• A range of M bodies, with the M7 sitting at the top of the line as the replacement for the 7D (Canon wants to get out of the business of mixing full frame and APS-C lineups and an M version of the 7D makes the most sense);
• 90D with future models being badged as 90D Mk II, etc.

This sort of a lineup would see Canon through for the next several years as they watch the market and determine whether or not there will be a smaller but stable demand for DSLRs or if the demand is going to go away.

 

[unfocused]

Without examples and a possible explanation its not worth worrying about.

I'm a little concerned that I saw only one Bird in Flight sequence and they didn't show any closeups of the results. Eye focus of a stationary bird is one thing. Eye focus of the flying bird is another. Anxious to see this camera in the wild with people who actually shoot birds in flight to see what it does.

 

[photo212]

My 5D Mk III is not going anywhere, anytime soon. I still have two 5D Mk II as backups - one with 300K shutter activations.

I didn't jump to the 5D Mk IV, as it just wasn't the big step I wanted. I started getting interested in the 1D X Mk II. Real interested. Then the 1D X Mk III arrived, but with only one option for memory cards. Sort of made me think the 1D X Mk II was the camera upgrade for me. I suspect Canon wants more 5D Mk X users to consider the 1D X line.

I gotta think total budget, as I'll need a new desktop computer in the upgrade.

 

[brad-man]

I'm a little concerned that I saw only one Bird in Flight sequence and they didn't show any closeups of the results. Eye focus of a stationary bird is one thing. Eye focus of the flying bird is another. Anxious to see this camera in the wild with people who actually shoot birds in flight to see what it does.

I'm guessing that the success rate for BIF eye focus would be proportional to how much the bird fills the frame. Those that rely on heavy cropping may be SOL...

 

[RobbieHat]

Like Alan I don't have any issues with action photography, including BiF, with a 5Ds. I've shot it with the Canon 300mm f/4L IS, 100-400 mark II, and Tamron 70-200 f/2.8 G2. If your 5DsR is struggling here check settings and also consider if it's the lens.

Naturally the 1DX mark III's PDAF is superior, and Nikon's PDAF "sticks" better than Canon's iTR. (Which is a bummer because I honestly believe a firmware fix would change that.) But the PDAF system in the 5Ds is quite good.



The 5Ds/sR are roughly 0.5-0.6ev off the best FF cameras at high ISO. Seriously. High ISO differences within a format are practically a meme.

Really good Milky Way shots require fast primes or tracking on any camera. Preferably from very dark skies, otherwise trying to tease the MW out from background light pollution is going to emphasize noise.

As for NEOWISE, If you didn't catch it at its brightest point from a dark sky, then you missed the chance to shoot it with "normal" lenses. You would have needed a tracking mount for a good, telephoto NEOWISE shot last night.

I have been doing MW shots with the 5DSR for years so know its limits. It does pretty well overall for astro. I also shot NEOWISE last night near our place that has extremely dark skies and again it did fine. A tracked shot would have been much better but I was happy with the result.

 

[bernie_king]

I'm guessing that the success rate for BIF eye focus would be proportional to how much the bird fills the frame. Those that rely on heavy cropping may be SOL...

I agree... at least for eye detect. If drops back to the body if it can't find the eye. For longer distance BIF shots I think that would be great if would lock in the bird and not let go.

 

[GastonShutters]

Makes sense. And probably time to sell my left over EF Glass...

 

[Danglin52]

As I said earlier, I think an amalgamation of the 5D and 6D is more likely. Canon already did that with the 80D and 7D, so it makes sense that they would be considering the same with their full frame DSLRs. Good news, it should be cheaper than the 5D. Bad news is there will be compromises. Repeating myself I know, but I don't think it's hard to imagine a new body that has:

• Same sensor as R5;
• Dual SD II slots (No CFexpress)
• Flip Screen like 6D
• Joystick like R5 and 5D
• No IBIS
• 10 fps
• Build somewhere between 6D and 5D
• Autofocus carried over from 5DIV (Maybe some improvement like eye, face or animal face detect)
• A bonus would be the 1DxIII thumb controller
• I would expect that it would be a little more 5D than 6D, just as the 90D is really more 7D than 80D.
• No 8K or other high-end video features (the R5 will remain the video king)

Given the aggressive pricing that Canon offered on the 90D, they might sell it for under $2,500.

With aggressive pricing, I could see a lot of enthusiasts and pros who don't need the build of the 1Dx happy with the compromises.

Canon's line up for the next few years might be:

• Two full frame DSLRs -- 1Dx III and the new amalgamation;
• Six full frame mirrorless -- RP, R, RA, R6, R5 and R5S (High Megapixel) Sorry, but if there is no room in the market for separate 5D and a 6D bodies, there probably isn't room for both an R5 and an R1 now. It might be a possibility around the time of the 2024 Summer Olympics, but honestly, if the R5 delivers, I'm not sure what an R1 gets you except a bigger battery. I expect that eventually they will drop the R and or the RP, but at this point they can just leave them in the lineup;
• A range of M bodies, with the M7 sitting at the top of the line as the replacement for the 7D (Canon wants to get out of the business of mixing full frame and APS-C lineups and an M version of the 7D makes the most sense);
• 90D with future models being badged as 90D Mk II, etc.

This sort of a lineup would see Canon through for the next several years as they watch the market and determine whether or not there will be a smaller but stable demand for DSLRs or if the demand is going to go away.

There will be an R1 due to the demand for a 1dx style body for all the reasons you have the 1dx today - rugged, extensive weather sealing, longer battery life, communications, better 8k implementation, etc. Depending on where the R1 is in the development cycle, you may see this in pros hands by the 2021 Olympics (assuming it happens). Canon will jam it with any new tech that improves the use & experience for pros. Canon has always chased that top tier of photographers even if it may not always be the highest volume or maybe even the most profitable when you factor in development costs. The good news is that technology trickles down. I also think the R or RP get consolidated. Excessive product differentiation doesn't make sense in a declining market - too much cost to maintain multiple product lines and SKU's.

 

[Eclipsed]

When will Canon be shutting down all the firmware on the 5Div bodies to render them unusable? Or will those who like them be able to continue to use them at lower and lower cost?

 

[Otara]

I'm a little concerned that I saw only one Bird in Flight sequence and they didn't show any closeups of the results. Eye focus of a stationary bird is one thing. Eye focus of the flying bird is another. Anxious to see this camera in the wild with people who actually shoot birds in flight to see what it does.

Not talking about tracking, just pure image quality from an EF lens on the R5. There are several videos with raptor tracking that look fairly impressive, but they're probably with RF lenses.

 

[unfocused]

There will be an R1 due to the demand for a 1dx style body for all the reasons you have the 1dx today...

If there is an R1, and if it is intended to replace the 1DX, then it should be on a four-year cycle and hence the 2024 Olympics. Maybe they will launch it early and have it ready for the 2022 Winter Olympics, but 2021 seems hopelessly optimistic at this point.

 

[navastronia]

If there is an R1, and if it is intended to replace the 1DX, then it should be on a four-year cycle and hence the 2024 Olympics. Maybe they will launch it early and have it ready for the 2022 Winter Olympics, but 2021 seems hopelessly optimistic at this point.

As I've said before, that would be totally fine with me (2022). I think 2024 would be too long to wait.

I'd like an R1 to have extremely fast sensor readout or global shutter to help justify the price, which I anticipate will be greater than $6K.

 

[Terry Danks]

Change is always hard. And a lot harder for some than others.
I'm so old, I recall how some refused to accept those infernal mirror-slapping SLRs, insisting they'd never edge out their lighter and so much quieter rangefinders!
I've taken to MLC like a duck to water! So many advantages. Find it hard to fathom the people preferring DSLRs. One by one, the "deficiencies" of MLC are falling to the wayside.
I see no future for DSLRs at all, but, of course, so many are out there, it will take a decade or so to seriously deplete their number even after the last one is manufactured.

 

[Ozarker]

I'm a little concerned that I saw only one Bird in Flight sequence and they didn't show any closeups of the results. Eye focus of a stationary bird is one thing. Eye focus of the flying bird is another. Anxious to see this camera in the wild with people who actually shoot birds in flight to see what it does.

 

[shire_guy]

I am not too worried about no 5DV. My existing 5DIV is a great camera and it still should have plenty of life in it. The R5 is someway off for me given prices in Australia. My collection of EF glass is enough for my current usage and I had been unsure if I should invest in a longer telephoto lens. That is now less likely. At least the kids will be happy that their inheritance is safe for now.

 

[Respinder]

I’m not surprised by this decision and I think it’s firmly a step in the right direction.
At the time the EOS R was released Canon was pushing four different mount types - EF, EF-S, EF-M and RF. This made things very confusing for the consumer and for me personally, it introduced a lot of uncertainly into whether Canon was serious about making RF the future mount.

What a difference that two years have made. In that time, Canon formerly announced that no future EF glass will be made (unless consumers demand it) and now the Canon 5D is retired in favour of the Canon R5. I think this is a smart and strategic move, and it places further confidence in the positioning of the RF mount as the future for Canon.

I think for those who demand the features of a traditional DSLR - in particular those who require an OVF, the Canon 1DX Mark III will always be there. I could also see Canon still release a 5DS Mark II at some point in the future. (Also for those who believe that the 5DS equivalent in the R lineup is the R5S, I think you’re wrong - I think Canon finally has a reason to bring back the mythical 3-series (R3) as a ultra high megapixel shooter slotted in between the R1 and R5 - just my two cents)

I also think Canon may still launch the long rumoured EF-X hybrid with support for RF and EF lenses.. may cost a fortune though.

 

[Danglin52]

If there is an R1, and if it is intended to replace the 1DX, then it should be on a four-year cycle and hence the 2024 Olympics. Maybe they will launch it early and have it ready for the 2022 Winter Olympics, but 2021 seems hopelessly optimistic at this point.

Maybe, but you can't consider this a cycle for the 1dx III which I agree would match your dates. Canon will not release a R1 until it is ready, but when you see that a lot of the 1dx III landed in the R5/R6, the only real issues they need to solve are the battery life and EVF for pro shooters in a 1dx style body. The 8k performance should be on par since they already have the larger body to dissipate heat. I don't think the R1 will be a great leap above the 1dx III, just move of the move to mirrorless for those who want to start a migration. Cannon does not want Sony to continue to nibble at a market they have only shared with the Nikon d5/D6. They would also want to beat Nikon to the punch before a D6 mirrorless equivalent is released. They probably were not ready for the 2020 Olympics and were targeting the 2022 games, with the extra year they may be able to push for a development announcement and R1's in the hands of select pros. If not, your 2022 dates seems more reasonable than the 2024 Olympics.

 

[Mr Majestyk]

As expected, what on earth do you expect it could offer over the R5 other than better battery life. Mirrorless AF is also showing itself to be better with 1DXIII LV AF noticeably better than it's OVF AF. Now just announce the RF 300 f/2.8L IS 500 f/4L IS, 600 f/5.6L IS DO

 

[Ozarker]

I also think Canon may still launch the long rumoured EF-X hybrid with support for RF and EF lenses.. may cost a fortune though.

I don't think this stands a chance of happening at all. The closest thing we are going to see in a "hybrid" is an RF mount mirrorless camera with the adapter for EF lenses. That's it. That's as hybrid as it is going to get, in my opinion. As far as there being a long rumored EF-X hybrid... that's just forum chatter with zero leaks from Canon connected sources. Kinda like the guys who talk about a body with a movable sensor to change flange distance, and a mirror that can drop down when needed. Never going to happen.

 

[mclaren777]

Have fun taking pictures of anything that moves quickly/erratically with your mirrorless cameras (GIF is from an R5).

I'll be over here patiently waiting for a 5DV.