There will not be an EOS 5D Mark V [CR2]

[jolyonralph]

I'm not butt hurt or screaming into a pillow or anything. My next camera will be mirrorless, personally.

But I am not one of the army of working professionals at weddings toting a 5D today. I think saying goodbye to that brand that quickly would be a mistake, but I don't have Canon's internal numbers to say 'See, look how many there are!'.

- A

I think Canon are quietly confident that the R5 is going to be a better camera for shooting weddings than the 5DV would have been. Yes, photographers will need to learn to adjust to using mirrorless properly, but they will if they want to remain competitive.

I'm certainly biased because I prefer mirrorless to DSLR technology (and having gone from EOS 1000FN->EOS 300D -> EOS 500D -> EOS 20D -> EOS 40D -> EOS 5D Mark III -> EOS 5DSR I think I've had enough experience of DSLR to be able to have a fair opinion on this.)

There are clear worries about battery life, but adding a grip and having a pocket-full of LP-E6Ns will resolve this. I don't even bother with a grip, I very rarely run out of juice even on a single battery. Last friday (the day I went out with both cameras) I took 1440 shots on the EOS R with a single battery.

 

[PhotoGenerous]

I don't own an RF body, but I'm curious to see what people use control rings the most for.

In my mind, since I am largely an aperture priority shooter on my 5D3, I have fast dedicated dials for aperture and exposure comp. I also have a joystick for the AF point. So I'm guessing I'd use that control ring for the fourth most common thing I adjust on the fly. Either ISO or min shutter speed (when shooting in Auto ISO) certainly come to mind as potential candidates.

- A

Minimum shutter speed! That excites me a lot more than ISO. That’s something I’d like to adjust more often, but it was a hassle.

 

[dtaylor]

Yes it is inevitable that some photographers will be put off by this (so far rumoured) decision. If true, Canon must have done a cost benefit analysis and decided that the benefits of moving more quickly to RF outweighed the negatives.

I have no doubt that the general collapse of the ILC market and the global pandemic have had an impact on this. In a healthier market we probably would see a few more DSLRs.

Most expected that it would eventually happen, but Canon has not been clear on its timeline. Perhaps they still don't know for sure and are waiting to see the market response over a longer period of time for the new cameras.

I'm certain this is also true. Depending on feedback Canon may yet decide to produce a 5D mark V, though I'm guessing the odds are against it.

 

[amorse]

I don't own an RF body, but I'm curious to see what people use control rings the most for.

In my mind, since I am largely an aperture priority shooter on my 5D3, I have fast dedicated dials for aperture and exposure comp. I also have a joystick for the AF point. So I'm guessing I'd use that control ring for the fourth most common thing I adjust on the fly. Either ISO or min shutter speed (when shooting in Auto ISO) certainly come to mind as potential candidates.

- A

I don't have one either, but I've been trying to imagine how I'd customize as well. The piece that I find interesting, is the R5/6 seem to have 2 more dials than I'm used to coming from an 5DIV.

You have the one behind the shutter button (shutter speed for me), the one by the set button on the back (aperture usually), and then you pick up a dial surrounding the mode button on the R5/or just another dial alone on the R6, then you have the control ring on the lenses. Honestly, I'd be pretty happy just getting to three dials so I don't need to hit ISO before changing the setting every time, but sure, I'll take 4.

 

[sanj]

I think Canon are quietly confident that the R5 is going to be a better camera for shooting weddings than the 5DV would have been. Yes, photographers will need to learn to adjust to using mirrorless properly, but they will if they want to remain competitive.

I'm certainly biased because I prefer mirrorless to DSLR technology (and having gone from EOS 1000FN->EOS 300D -> EOS 500D -> EOS 20D -> EOS 40D -> EOS 5D Mark III -> EOS 5DSR I think I've had enough experience of DSLR to be able to have a fair opinion on this.)

There are clear worries about battery life, but adding a grip and having a pocket-full of LP-E6Ns will resolve this. I don't even bother with a grip, I very rarely run out of juice even on a single battery. Last friday (the day I went out with both cameras) I took 1440 shots on the EOS R with a single battery.

What would be the 'learn to adjust to mirrorless'? It would be nice to list these.

 

[sanj]

I have no doubt that the general collapse of the ILC market and the global pandemic have had an impact on this. In a healthier market we probably would see a few more DSLRs. Naa.. It was time.



I'm certain this is also true. Depending on feedback Canon may yet decide to produce a 5D mark V, though I'm guessing the odds are against it.

 

[dtaylor]

Your figure of 8.3 ms isn't the lag, but rather is the time between refreshes of the monitor in the EVF. There is another delay, which is the processing time it takes to get the image from the sensor to the EVF. We don't know what that figure is yet on the R5. If it is less than 8.3 ms, then you will not have a cumulatively larger lag in the EVF, and all is good. Traditionally, though, that has not been the case. Even with the A9II, there is enough lag so that if you have a 20fps burst for a few seconds, the last shots will be significantly behind a fast moving subject.

Bingo. Refresh lag is not what people are complaining about (any more) when they complain about EVF lag. What's the lag from the moment the photons hit the sensor until that specific frame is painted onto the EVF? And how far does it drift over time during burst shooting?

I simply cannot track as well or as effortlessly with an EVF as I can with an OVF.

 

[sanj]

For those who like the mark IV: It works great and they can continue to use it. What does it lack?

 

[dtaylor]

Naa.. It was time.

There is no "time" for a switchover. Everything for a corporation is a question of profitability. If a profitable segment demanded flappy mirrors for the next 100 years, then 100 years is how much longer there would be 5D bodies with flappy mirrors.

As evidenced by this thread, not everybody is happy with EVFs all the time. If times were good, more people would be buying, meaning more people who still want another 5D iteration...boom, profitable, done.

But times aren't good.

 

[highdesertmesa]

So much talk about not getting a 5D5 but so little talk about what the OVF product in development might be. If it's taking any length of time to develop, then we can expect something novel:

• An DSLR with a switch-flip to locks up the mirror and pops up an EVF in the viewfinder. Because right now the biggest drawback of the 1DX3 is having to use the rear screen in live view to get mirrorless-level AF performance.
• Perhaps they have developed a way to physically mirror the light up to an OVF while still retaining the short RF mount – and they add to that the pop-up EVF for a complete hybrid R1 experience.

Not saying either of these options will happen, but it's sure more fun than crying over the 5D5.

 

[dtaylor]

For those who like the mark IV: It works great and they can continue to use it. What does it lack?

45mp sensor, 192 pt AF, full frame 4k 60p. I'd list 8k 30p...and a 5D V with R5 internals would no doubt get that...but I'm not sure that's a critical one.

 

[AlanF]

45mp sensor, 192 pt AF, full frame 4k 60p. I'd list 8k 30p...and a 5D V with R5 internals would no doubt get that...but I'm not sure that's a critical one.

Also what it has, rather than lacks, an AA-filter.

 

[unfocused]

1Dx sR anyone?

 

[dak3]

If Canon decides to abandon pro DSLRs for the sake of claimed 'modernity', then I say "Canon, get lost with your sub-par EVF expensive toys." You bricked your internal camera video features for years to make more money in your upper echelon systems, but you can't even make a C100 with 4:2:2 10bit internal recording (or release new unlocked firmware for former / current creators). Now, it's an R5 with claimed "amazing 8k", but a body that is amateurish for pro-photographers for the cost of $$$$! Sigh. Every time that you get close to making a camera that is one or two features away from its competitors (i.e. Nikon D850 with more focus points and no low-pass filter), you decide to abandon the progress of the current system or re-invent the wheel. Sorry for the rant, but I'm just tired of this game Canon. There is still a lot of us who want and need a system that continues to survive the elements and environment that we shoot in, tried and true, without resorting to calling us old fashioned. Do I want to shoot in the scorching sun during a photo-shoot with a pin-hole lagging EVF and rely only on AF for creative expressions? Not me. I've spent $$,$$$ in your company for over a decade, but now you're pushing RF lenses and bodies without pro-ergonomics? No thank you. I'm happy with what I have, and I'll continue to take pro-photos / video with what is tried and true without spending another penny. I'm sorry that I won't be able to provide 8K and 9K photos and video to clients because of my stubbornness. 4K and 5K will have to do with less auto features and more skill. It's already hard surviving in this market with less money to go around (photography gear investment and client budgets).

 

[yestostills]

I understand technological change and user preferences as we continue to evolve into the digital age. As someone who has worked behind electronic viewfinders for 35 years as a videographer I certainly still appreciate the experience of the OVF DSLR. I'm hoping Canon realizes that there is a mass of EF optics in the world today and that they have the market and would sell well if they came out with at least one more DSLR model similar to the 5D line. Using elements from both the 1dx and R line, a sensor with a wide dynamic range would not be a major cost for production and should be able to keep the price competitive especially if the camera is photo centric. I'd buy two handily.
The other reason I'm resistant to the R5 is the price point for having the luxury of 8K video, which is nothing more than a marketing ploy. It is simply not pragmatic or practical in the line of work I and many of my professional colleagues do. I do all my work with video cameras because technically and ergonomically for work flow and management and it is what my producers and clients expect from me.

 

[AEWest]

Slightly off topic but Jared Polin has just released some raw files from a production r5 on his site. Might be worth a look.

 

[dtaylor]

I too shoot birds and astro with the 5DSR and it is not ideal for either. Too slow for BIF and rarely locks focus (much less acquires focus) when I shoot birds.

Like Alan I don't have any issues with action photography, including BiF, with a 5Ds. I've shot it with the Canon 300mm f/4L IS, 100-400 mark II, and Tamron 70-200 f/2.8 G2. If your 5DsR is struggling here check settings and also consider if it's the lens.

Naturally the 1DX mark III's PDAF is superior, and Nikon's PDAF "sticks" better than Canon's iTR. (Which is a bummer because I honestly believe a firmware fix would change that.) But the PDAF system in the 5Ds is quite good.

As for astro, I just used it last night on comet and MW. Too much noise and inability to handle higher ISO. As a result, I have to pair it with super fast UWA Sigma lenses to get decent shots.

The 5Ds/sR are roughly 0.5-0.6ev off the best FF cameras at high ISO. Seriously. High ISO differences within a format are practically a meme.

Really good Milky Way shots require fast primes or tracking on any camera. Preferably from very dark skies, otherwise trying to tease the MW out from background light pollution is going to emphasize noise.

As for NEOWISE, If you didn't catch it at its brightest point from a dark sky, then you missed the chance to shoot it with "normal" lenses. You would have needed a tracking mount for a good, telephoto NEOWISE shot last night.

 

[mppix]

Mirrorless is the present and future for the mass market. EVF’s are a long way from replacing the abilities of OVF’s and until they can there will still be an active DSLR user base.

So is film.

When a new tech does enough things better than existing tech, it relpaces it.
Example: shoot portraits at close range at f1.2.
Also, Canon is unlikely to use 2 "main" mounts over any extended period of time.

 

[Deleted member 378085]

good, my 5D4 will be worth more when I sell it.

 

[MrToes]

I'm hoping for a Mark V