This news is exciting!

[Ivan Muller]

Well it would seem that the new much rumored, much anticipated new 7mk2 is 'only' going to be an incremental improvement over the old 7 '. It remains to be seen if its actually going to be so much better than the 70d ...much like the 5d3 vs the 6d...same sensor for all practical purposes, differentiated by other nice to haves, which we all know about. . .but essentially one can coach the same image quality out of both cameras. I think that's where the difference between the 7d2 and 70d will lie, same sensor on both (which for me would be rather disappointing to say the least!) and some differences elsewhere...problem is that the 70d seems to be quite competent as it is so the 7d2 wil have to be a huge improvement in a lot of areas to make it a worthwhile 'upgrade' from 7d2...especially if its the same or almost the same sensor?

But that's not really where my excitement lies...its in that rumored 1inch sensor camera. By all accounts the Sony rx100mk3 is a kick ass little camera, and although ultimate image quality would seem to lag slightly behind the G1xmk2 it is astonishingly close, and quite a feat, taking the size of the sensor, size of camera and price into account. Wouldnt it be grand if Canon can deliver something similar? I am sure it would have less pixels, ( Canon just cant seem to get this megapixel thing together ), which might be a blessing in disguise because perhaps the high iso quality would benefit...

Anyway I am looking forward to that camera if the rumors turn out to be true...and if it can compete with that little Sony wonder

Lastly if the 7d2's sensor is indeed the same as the 70d then what does that say about Canon's sensor R&D? Are they going to sit out this recession with their existing sensor technology and wait for the economies of the world to pick up before spending money on R&D? or do they just not have it? Or will they release it later...like we have been 'rumoring' for the last couple of years?

So in my view, it all hinges on this new 7d2 sensor, if its the same as the 70d it will be rather disappointing from what we can expect in the future.

BTW I am not in the market for either a 7d2 or 70d, but I have been keenly interested in the rumors of a new sensor.

Will this 7d2sensor point the way forward, or not?

 

[Maximilian]

As far as I read the latest rumors, I think anf fear that this is right. And if the 7D2 will become just a faster and more robust 70D rather disappointing would be a very polite and calm expression to me.

Let's hope for something better and maybe that 1inch PowerShot might give us some consolation.
But maybe Canon can screw that up also. We'll have to wait an see... *sigh*

 

[ULFULFSEN]

im more interested in this camera.. but i will have a close look on the canon 1" too.

http://www.43rumors.com/panasonic-lx100/

http://www.43rumors.com/ft5-panasonic-lx100-has-16mp-multiaspect-sensor-and-is-smaller-than-the-g1x/

 

[Ivan Muller]

im more interested in this camera.. but i will have a close look on the canon 1" too.

http://www.43rumors.com/panasonic-lx100/

Actually that sounds rather good!

 

[NancyP]

I for one am getting tired of waiting. Evolutionary is good enough for me, though, as I want an action APS-C camera (birding) that is better than the 60D I have now (better AF, more fps, slightly better high ISO, ample buffer for RAW), and is not as expensive as the 1DX or 5D3.

 

[3kramd5]

Lastly if the 7d2's sensor is indeed the same as the 70d then what does that say about Canon's sensor R&D?

It says very little about their R&D. The numerous patents they've filed do. They likely have significantly more tech which they haven't patented in order to keep secret, but that's just a suspicion.

Are they going to sit out this recession with their existing sensor technology and wait for the economies of the world to pick up before spending money on R&D? or do they just not have it? Or will they release it later...like we have been 'rumoring' for the last couple of years?

No, they're actively developing technology including sensor tech. If and when it comes to market, as in the case of DPAF, is a business decision.

 

[Steve]

I for one am getting tired of waiting. Evolutionary is good enough for me, though, as I want an action APS-C camera (birding) that is better than the 60D I have now (better AF, more fps, slightly better high ISO, ample buffer for RAW), and is not as expensive as the 1DX or 5D3.

This already exists. The 1D Mark IV is an excellent birding camera and can be found used for ~$2k with some careful shopping.

 

[tiger82]

I for one am getting tired of waiting. Evolutionary is good enough for me, though, as I want an action APS-C camera (birding) that is better than the 60D I have now (better AF, more fps, slightly better high ISO, ample buffer for RAW), and is not as expensive as the 1DX or 5D3.

A 70D fits your requirements already and at a decent price

 

[tomscott]

Cant underestimate how many people will be disappointed if the 7DMKII is a quicker better built 70D. With a small update, I'm not in the market for one but I had the MK1 and that 18mp sensor is awful where it counts 100-400ISO. Its unfair to customers.

Especially seen as tho this wait has been stretched out so long! If the tech was there why not just implement it? I know Canon needs to sell cameras which is why they have left a big gap. It just means the 70D will become cheaper and a more attractive package?

People continue to buy entry level and mid range cameras with probably less intensive research than the pro bodies. But they can't continue to kid themselves and rip off old technology for much longer surely. Seen as tho we are still on the same iteration sensor tech 5 years later almost to the day since the 7D was released, just makes you wonder what they are thinking! Or hoping everything is false and they will bring something out that really is an improvement.

Theres a difference in bringing features across the product line which is great, but when the higher end stuff has a complete lack of evidence of R&D where does the innovation come from. The only thing we have really seen is the improvement of video AF, which is great for video people but what about people who shoot stills…

Im not really ranting, just disappointed I suppose. IMO the only cameras worth having are the FF and they are out of reach for a lot of people.

 

[ULFULFSEN]

Cant underestimate how many people will be disappointed if the 7DMKII is a quicker better built 70D. With a small update, I'm not in the market for one but I had the MK1 and that 18mp sensor is awful where it counts 100-400ISO. Its unfair to customers.

Don´t say that.

It will only result in people posting a dozend 7D pictures, shot in good light with those ISO, that show good quality at 1200x800px.

I have to agree that the 7D has often disappointed me when it comes to low ISO performance. That´s one reason i sold mine. For my needs the 5D MK2 is the better camera.

 

[the blackfox]

I for one am getting tired of waiting. Evolutionary is good enough for me, though, as I want an action APS-C camera (birding) that is better than the 60D I have now (better AF, more fps, slightly better high ISO, ample buffer for RAW), and is not as expensive as the 1DX or 5D3.

This already exists. The 1D Mark IV is an excellent birding camera and can be found used for ~$2k with some careful shopping.

even the 1DMKiii knocks the 60d for six ,in every respect .for me a new 7d2 has got to exceed the i/q of a 1Dmkiv to be worth looking at

 

[Steve]

even the 1DMKiii knocks the 60d for six ,in every respect.

Agreed. When I bought a 7D a few years ago, I agonized between it and a used 1DIII. The internet convinced me that "more pixels on subject" made the 7D superior but when I upgraded to a 1DIV and got to use 1-series AF, I retroactively regretted not going for the 1DIII. Better AF, framerate, buffer and build beats more pixels, at least for me.

for me a new 7d2 has got to exceed the i/q of a 1Dmkiv to be worth looking at

Yeah, I'm still holding out hope its more 1D Mark V than 70D++. I guess we'll know in a few days.

 

[crashpc]

Don´t say that.

It will only result in people posting a dozend 7D pictures, shot in good light with those ISO, that show good quality at 1200x800px.

I have to agree that the 7D has often disappointed me when it comes to low ISO performance. That´s one reason i sold mine. For my needs the 5D MK2 is the better camera.

Yes, this sensor is old, and as a Canon user, I won´t buy any of these anymore. But srsly? 1200x800px? This is very poor joke.
Anyway, it´s all just very bad rumor, I guess not much of this is true, it´s not wise to make any resolutions and statements until we really SEE.

 

[awinphoto]

you guys really comparing a 5 year old camera that was aimed to compete against nikons D300 and debuted at $1699 to a 1d3 or a 1d4, which both debuted over $4k, competing against a better camera, and physically has a bigger sensor? And expecting them to beat the law of physics by producing a newer camera that does better than a camera system with a bigger sensor... mmkay... I guess you guys are what makes these forums fun to read...

 

[Marsu42]

As far as I read the latest rumors, I think anf fear that this is right. And if the 7D2 will become just a faster and more robust 70D rather disappointing would be a very polite and calm expression to me.

That's Canon for you, this is how they've been doing it for decades, that's how they will continue to do it until you poke them with a sharp stick. The upside is that the evolutionary models are less likely to be buggy and "just work", but if you want fancy go Sony or other brands that are like gadgets more.

I for one am getting tired of waiting. Evolutionary is good enough for me, though, as I want an action APS-C camera (birding) that is better than the 60D I have now (better AF, more fps, slightly better high ISO, ample buffer for RAW), and is not as expensive as the 1DX or 5D3.

Why would Canon provide such a camera when people keep saving for and buying 5d3 and the required expensive ff lenses?

The newer camera is bound to be better than the 60d for the af system alone (60d = no afma, no firmware options for tracking, ...). If Canon would really have a stellar 7d "Nikon killer" successor on their hands, I figure we would have heard more about it by now. They don't seem to find a sweet feature/pricing spot for it in their lineup.

 

[ULFULFSEN]

Don´t say that.

It will only result in people posting a dozend 7D pictures, shot in good light with those ISO, that show good quality at 1200x800px.

I have to agree that the 7D has often disappointed me when it comes to low ISO performance. That´s one reason i sold mine. For my needs the 5D MK2 is the better camera.

Yes, this sensor is old, and as a Canon user, I won´t buy any of these anymore. But srsly? 1200x800px? This is very poor joke.
Anyway, it´s all just very bad rumor, I guess not much of this is true, it´s not wise to make any resolutions and statements until we really SEE.

that was of course exaggerated.

but often people show resized small examples to prove a point.
but resized (resampled to a smaller resolution) most images look better (noise wise).

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

I've been using my G1X MK II, and continually pushing the wrong buttons with my big fingers, so a smaller camera is not in my future. However, I realize that there are many who have a fine touch and will love a smaller camera.

Canon will also likely put a lens on it with a wide zoom range, because consumers want a wide zoom. The RX100 III really limited their market to enthusiasts with the 3-1 zoom. Its very high quality, but not mass market. Canon will go for the mass market sales, so don't expect a ton of features like the built-in electronic viewfinder that the Sony has. They want to make a camera for $50 and sell it for $500.

 

[Steve]

you guys really comparing a 5 year old camera that was aimed to compete against nikons D300 and debuted at $1699 to a 1d3 or a 1d4, which both debuted over $4k, competing against a better camera, and physically has a bigger sensor? And expecting them to beat the law of physics by producing a newer camera that does better than a camera system with a bigger sensor... mmkay... I guess you guys are what makes these forums fun to read...

what?

 

[whothafunk]

another 7D2 thread, as if there aren't too many already with IDENTICAL conversation going on.

 

[Keith_Reeder]

you guys really comparing a 5 year old camera that was aimed to compete against nikons D300 and debuted at $1699 to a 1d3 or a 1d4, which both debuted over $4k, competing against a better camera, and physically has a bigger sensor? And expecting them to beat the law of physics by producing a newer camera that does better than a camera system with a bigger sensor... mmkay... I guess you guys are what makes these forums fun to read...

You shouldn't do that - actually discussing this stuff logically with these whiny trolls. They don't understand "reasonable"...