I think especially if the 7d successor is APS-C we could well see RF-S lenses. I'm betting Canon already has designs for "RF-S" kit lenses. They wouldn't have the same backfocus advantage that EF-S has over EF (since the max backfocus should be fixed by the sensor position), but the smaller image circle still gives an entirely different set of design constraints.If you mean that Canon will not release an APS-C R camera because they don't have a APS-C lens like a RF-S... I think that if Canon decided that they need to be in that market, they could easily convert one or two of the existing EF-S designs into a kit lens.
6DII sensor, lower resolution EVF, no touch bar, lower fps & AF PointsCould someone please explain, how EOS R could be even more lower level? What could be left off? Lower megapixel sensor does not necessarily mean less advanced sensor, right? Or are we talking APS-C EOS R machine here? I thought, that what is coming is lower specced FF body ....
Pick 1 or two features. I doubt they give it all for that price and that soon.I'd love to see a £2000 option that competes with the Nikon Z6 & Sony A7III.
24mp BSI sensor, IBIS, full frame 4K, 11+ FPS.
Sadly I am too. Panasonic, Sony and Nikon are all competing to produce excellent value for money cameras. They have their £2000 ish range with the previously mentioned specs and a £3000 range with the same specs and a high resolution sensor. I really can't work out why Canon fail to offer the same value for money. Trouble is die hard Canon fans look down on me for even suggesting it. The DPReview 1D/5D/6D forum is a prime example of dinosaurs who are content with mediocrity.6DII sensor, lower resolution EVF, no touch bar, lower fps & AF Points
Pick 1 or two features. I doubt they give it all for that price and that soon.
They are likely to release a lower mode Canon EOS R first.
I'm already entertaining Sony and Panasonic next generation mirrorless camera if the next EOS R is an entry-level camera.
The worrying thing is Canon would happily do that if they could. It seems every release is an attempt at releasing the absolute minimum they can. Such a shame, their outstanding lenses deserve better.No card slots, in-body destabilization, no controls other than the touch bar, m43 sensor, max 480p 1fps with 8x crop.
I am not sure why I have loyalty for Canon camera for so long. It was I first started out but I keep disappointed with each release hoping Canon will offer something more to my need - 6DII, 5DIV, EOS R. They are all fine camera and capable of taking great pictures but just poorly value camera.Sadly I am too. Panasonic, Sony and Nikon are all competing to produce excellent value for money cameras. They have their £2000 ish range with the previously mentioned specs and a £3000 range with the same specs and a high resolution sensor. I really can't work out why Canon fail to offer the same value for money. Trouble is die hard Canon fans look down on me for even suggesting it. The DPReview 1D/5D/6D forum is a prime example of dinosaurs who are content with mediocrity.
I also find this doubtful. In effect, they would be splitting the APS-C mirrorless market in two -- EOS-M and EOS-R/crop. I suppose you could have a consumer grade "M" and an enthusiast grade R-Crop, but I'm not seeing the market for the enthusiast grade R-Crop until mirrorless matures to the point where it is actually better than DSLRs for sports and action. By the time that arrives, I think it would be far more likely to have full-frame models with sufficient pixel count and an EVF that magnifies the image and makes crop sensors unnecessary for these use cases.I don't think an eos r aps-c body is likely.
there are no aps-c lenses for the eos r, only full frame lenses. i don't believe canon will force us to use full frame lenses (which are more expensive). what are the thoughts of the community on this?
While this comes as no surprise, I am not sure how much volume even a sub-$1,500 full frame camera will generate, especially given that adding a kit lens to that camera is going to set the consumer back another $1,000 for a 24-105 f4. While existing customers can use their EOS lenses with an adapter, most will eventually want to add a native mount lens and anyone new to the system will find the price of entry pretty steep. (We forum dwellers often become immune to the practical limits that most consumers live with.)...do not expect any sort of “niche” or “professional” mirrorless cameras prior to the release of more “entry level” products. A $4000+ camera simply doesn’t move anywhere near the volume that a sub $1500 camera would and at the end of the day, Canon needs more RF lens mount equipped cameras out there. So yes, we expect to see a model under the EOS R before we see any sort of high megapixel or “professional” full frame mirrorless camera from Canon.
The point is - what do you value? The reason some folks criticize your comments is that you make sweeping generalizations that presume that everyone values what you value. Saying "Canon fail to offer the same value for money" is NOT A FACT, it is your opinion. When people state opinions as fact, they are going to get some backlash. It's that simple.... I really can't work out why Canon fail to offer the same value for money. Trouble is die hard Canon fans look down on me for even suggesting it.
You can wish, but it might be a good idea to contact Canon directly and give them your feedback, if you haven't already.Just give me the ability to backup RAW files using Bluetooth, while still writing to the card on my EOS R. That’s all I ask.
I’m not here to argue about the EOS R being a pro camera - I Pay my bills with it. My 5Div collects dust now and is ‘just’ a backup body. I’ll happily wait a year or so for the ‘Pro R’, if I get RAW file redundancy.
Please Canon, give me wireless RAW backup!
(I can wish, right?)
Me too. I won't be jumping into any mirrorless with horrible ergonomic, EVF and incremental improvement. It has to be significant if I want to invest into a FF mirrorless lens system and lock myself into a camera ecosystem.The last release was full of surprises that no-one knew about.
Anything can happen.
I for one wont be jumping anywhere for negligible improvements, no ergonomics etc etc
I see far too many Sony shooters looking down fiddling around missing all the shots. Fair enough if you have time.
I prefer to crack away and bring home the goods, get paid and start over.