Three new segments of EOS R cameras coming in 2025

[dcweather]

I changed from Nikon DSLR to Canon mirrorless because at the time they seemed more progressive and innovative.But now, three years later the opposite seems to be the case in terms of normal mass customers. They seem to be up their own rear ends or pandering to the mega rich ultra pros. We don't particularly need cine, 100 mp, just a prosumer APSC camera that works properly and can match its rivals. Full frame are good but there is no properly working equivalent of the ancient Nikon D500 or 7D mk2. Wildlife and bird photographers, which is a massive and growing market, at least here in the UK, have been sold short. This is the main area where an iPhone xxx just can't compete. Unless you are a professional landscape photographer or artistic and fussy amateur a mobile phone competes well these days. Even the iPhone Aurora pics have blown away some of the camera images I have seen.
So what is wanted from Canon is an R7 that works properly. Any bird photographer will tell you what it needs and it isn't lenses or a 100 mp sensor !!

 

[Loswr]

Wildlife and bird photographers, which is a massive and growing market, at least here in the UK, have been sold short.

How massive, and growing at what rate? Specific numbers, citing a legitimate source. You made the statement, you do have the numerical data to back it up, right?

Or are you just one of the many people here who try and inflate the importance of their personal desires by claiming ‘massive numbers’ of people want the same thing they want?

Hmmmmm, I wonder…. No, I don’t.

 

[Del Paso]

Of course I do

Thank you, so we'll be 3 to suffer!

 

[Toamelicious]

This seems to be one of the more controversial topics, seeing as this thread is a mix of Overstatements and exaggerations from the one side and belittling and condescending comments from the other.

I notice that a lot of comments arguing in favour of an APSC camera for action and wildlife do refer to the 5D and 7D series. Just a thought:
Maybe stop looking at DSLR cameras to make your wishlist for future mirrorless Cameras. This is a totally different era and modern mirrorless cameras come with new features, quirks and advantages/disadvantages that don't exactly compare to the former cameras.

 

[EricN]

no but they need a credible 5-6 good lenses.

but they already have alot that service both sensor sizes. so they really don't need many more

STM 35mm F1.8, 50mm F1.8, 28mm F2.8, 16mm F2.8, all service both camera sensor sizes well enough.

What canon needs is a 15-45mm relatively compact as a kit lens, 18-45 is just an ugh.

an 15-150, or something of the sort, again, is far better than what they have now. kit lenses for APS-C should start at 15mm. there was a full frame 17-70mm patent application floating around that could work for both as well if it was cheap and compact enough.

After 7 (SEVEN!!) tries, i had myself a great copy of the EF-M 15-45. that was a good little walk around lens, i can't really see myself going back to an 18mm wide end - 80% of the time i was at 15mm.

I think or it's like a few of the most popular things various people discussed wanted for RF. After we waited long enough it happened (apsc) started to happen (third party autofocus), or got rumored to happen (50mm f/1.4).

 

[EricN]

what type of astrophotography? astro landscapes?

it would be pointless. literally. the amount of time you'd have for star movement on a per pixel basis would be so short it would render all those pixels redundant - better off with an excellent ~24MP sensor and call life good. also more scanning the sensor would probably result in higher thermals.

if it's deep sky, planetary, etc - then get a dedicated cooled APS-C astro camera.

Do you have any experience with those astro cameras?

 

[mimbu]

no but they need a credible 5-6 good lenses.

but they already have alot that service both sensor sizes. so they really don't need many more

Sony will be thrilled if that is the approach Canon takes. Keep the mount 95% closed and not bother to be actually competitive in the market segment that attracts new users? Did Sony write that plan on Canon's behalf?

 

[Loswr]

Sony will be thrilled if that is the approach Canon takes. Keep the mount 95% closed and not bother to be actually competitive in the market segment that attracts new users? Did Sony write that plan on Canon's behalf?

Yes, that explains all the market share Canon has been losing over the past few years.

 

[Quarkcharmed]

what type of astrophotography? astro landscapes?

it would be pointless. literally. the amount of time you'd have for star movement on a per pixel basis would be so short it would render all those pixels redundant - better off with an excellent ~24MP sensor and call life good. also more scanning the sensor would probably result in higher thermals.

Having more resolution is always better for image quality if dynamic range is not compromised. You get more pixels to

• feed noise reduction algorithms
• do lens corrections
• stack images

In terms of the motion blur, the "start movement" can be avoided by taking shorter exposures, stacking, or using a star tracker. In fact the star movement is directional, it's not like a random camera shake. A higher res sensor will still give a sharper image even with the same angular start movement.

Also with astro-landscapes you also have some land that can benefit from a higher resolution for the same reasons.

if it's deep sky, planetary, etc - then get a dedicated cooled APS-C astro camera.

Deep sky requires totally different equipment, yes.

 

[SnowMiku]

Wildlife and bird photographers, which is a massive and growing market, at least here in the UK, have been sold short.

The RF system has lots of choices for wildlife and birding, The 200-800mm f/6.3-9, 600mm f/11, 800mm f/11, 100-500mm f/4.5-7.1L and 100-400mm f/5.6-8. I think Canon will make an R7 II eventually.

 

[Richard CN]

Sony will be thrilled if that is the approach Canon takes. Keep the mount 95% closed and not bother to be actually competitive in the market segment that attracts new users? Did Sony write that plan on Canon's behalf?

Sony? lol.

I could see someone like Fuji being more happy, but it's not as if Sony gives a flying rats behind on APS-C.

besides the 3 lenses they made in 2022, you have to go back to 2019 since they made any new APS-C lenses.

they have 15 total lenses according to sony USA, one of them is for super 35 and that's it for over 13 years, and lenses like their 16-50 that they put into kits was an absolutely trash lens that even Quantaray back in the day would have rejected in QA.

if I wanted a real APS-C system, Fuji's really the answer there.

however with Sigma releasing 6 lenses for RF-S and tamron releasing lenses for RF-S, needing to move off of RF-S isn't really that necessary. It's the camera bodies that need work, as well as moving the EF-M 32mm and making a decent kit lens.

 

[Richard CN]

I changed from Nikon DSLR to Canon mirrorless because at the time they seemed more progressive and innovative.But now, three years later the opposite seems to be the case in terms of normal mass customers. They seem to be up their own rear ends or pandering to the mega rich ultra pros. We don't particularly need cine, 100 mp, just a prosumer APSC camera that works properly and can match its rivals. Full frame are good but there is no properly working equivalent of the ancient Nikon D500 or 7D mk2. Wildlife and bird photographers, which is a massive and growing market, at least here in the UK, have been sold short. This is the main area where an iPhone xxx just can't compete. Unless you are a professional landscape photographer or artistic and fussy amateur a mobile phone competes well these days. Even the iPhone Aurora pics have blown away some of the camera images I have seen.
So what is wanted from Canon is an R7 that works properly. Any bird photographer will tell you what it needs and it isn't lenses or a 100 mp sensor !!

you are literally complaining about pixels on target when Canon has a 32MP APS-C prosumer camera and Nikon has nothing over 20.9mp. that's the only reason you'd go APS-C - also if you are complaining about the Canon RF not matching any DSLR - why not stick to DSLR's? Do you have a similar complaint for Nikon that only has a Z 50 consumer grade APS-C camera?

how does an R7 not work "properly" for wildlife when it's 15fps / 30 fps with autofocus and animal priority AF? no matter how good that D500 was, it's not as good as a modern mirrorless with subject recognition, frame rate. and oh yeah 32MP sensor (which is 25% more reach on per pixels on target than a D500)

there's only one company out there that has a prosumer grade APS-C camera outside of Canon, and that is Fuji.

and ps - a 100mp sensor in crop mode would be what you want, as long as it provided a high speed crop facility.

 

[Robert Stone]

Things are super quiet at the moment. The next big thing around here will be the shipping of the EOS R1, which should be happening some time in November. Canon is starting in-store demos with a lot of official retailers in the coming weeks, be sure to check out your local store to see if

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I disagree that going to 60mp is a non starter. That gives us 60mp, 30mp, 15mp RAW options. That’s not bad. I suppose 80mp could work 80/40/20.

The question is, will it be 1 series or 3 series or 5 series?

 

[Loswr]

I disagree that going to 60mp is a non starter. That gives us 60mp, 30mp, 15mp RAW options.

30 MP would not be RAW, it would be downsampled. 15 MP could be pixel-binned RAW.

 

[mimbu]

Sony? lol.

Yes, Sony. Fuji's AF is still really poor and they do not hold a significant market share.

And I'll believe there will be a vibrant selection of third party glass of any sort on RF mount only after it happens. Canon has always been the most anti-third party, they were really malicious about it with compatibility breaks in the film & DSLR era. Canon's shenanigans are why Sigma brought out the USB dock way back when.

 

[mimbu]

Yes, that explains all the market share Canon has been losing over the past few years.

Canon props up their market share numbers by reporting DSLR and mirrorless numbers together.

 

[Skux]

These days you don't even need APS-C for wildlife, you could just use an R5 II and smack on the 200-800mm

 

[Richard CN]

Yes, Sony. Fuji's AF is still really poor and they do not hold a significant market share.

And I'll believe there will be a vibrant selection of third party glass of any sort on RF mount only after it happens. Canon has always been the most anti-third party, they were really malicious about it with compatibility breaks in the film & DSLR era. Canon's shenanigans are why Sigma brought out the USB dock way back when.

outside of sigma and tamron, there isn't this fabled "vibrant" selection of glass when it comes to APS-C anyways, even on the E mount.

Canon also didn't do any "shenanigans". Sigma never had the full specification of the EF mount protocol, especially to what it could be expand3ed to. All their EF lenses "mimicked" a Canon EF lens, even though it was a sigma lens. That's what reverse engineering gets you.

 

[Toamelicious]

These days you don't even need APS-C for wildlife, you could just use an R5 II and smack on the 200-800mm

Having that amazing lens is exactly the reason, why I sold my R6 and R7 to get an R5II. My need for "reach" is covered.

 

[Loswr]

Canon props up their market share numbers by reporting DSLR and mirrorless numbers together.

You need to prop up your business acumen, it’s sorely lacking.

Incidentally, Canon has a solid lead in just the MILC market, too…so you’re doubly wrong.

Feel free to reply again, you’re welcome to make yourself look even more foolish.