privatebydesign said:reef58 said:Mikehit said:reef58 said:privatebydesign said:KirkD said:They aren't even in the competition yet when it comes to mirrorless cameras. I'm hoping they get in the game with the rumoured full frame mirrorless ones.privatebydesign said:KirkD said:Canoneer said:If they released a mirrorless version of the 5D IV (closest a7 III competitor) and priced it at $2000 to compete with the Sony A7 III, then the 5D IV DSLR and 6D II will nosedive in value.
Canon needs to forget about competing with its own cameras and start competing with other camera manufacturers such as Sony in the mirrorless department.
Yes, because they are very unsuccessful at competition : :
Pull your head out of your ass, sales figures publicly available show Canon outsell Sony on MILC's, indeed in the MILC market Canon are second in volume only to Olympus. Sony are third behind both Canon and Olympus, how is that "They aren't even in the competition yet when it comes to mirrorless cameras"?
You people and your opinions are so disconnected from the real world it is farcical.
I think the point of Tony's video is Canon is not in the game. Unless I am wrong Canon does not have a FF mirrorless camera. I thought his presentation was pretty straightforward and fair. That being said I am not one clamoring for a FF Mirrorless. At this point couldn't care less about mirrorless. I am interested in the 90d and 5dsr2 however.
People see to take the view that 'the game' is selling mirrorless FF cameras. It is not. 'The game' is selling cameras - no more, no less.
Panasonic and Olympus could not compete in the FF market so decided to set up the MFT consortium
Sony could not compete in teh DSLR arean so, seeing what Panasonic were doing, went in tot APS-C and FF mirrorless
Canon are the leaders and concentrated on their core market, taking mirrorless development at a far more casual rate and responding to what was happening in the mirrorless market. It is still early days.
Nikon....I don't think anyone really knows what has gone wrong with Nikon but they have tried to have their fingers in all the pies and ended up creating a winner in the D850.
The video was specifically about Canon and Nikon's entry into full frame mirrorless. That is all. It was not about doom, gloom overall sales or any such thing. It was a prediction of their offerings in FF Frame mirrorless. Did anyone actually watch the video?
I wasn't commenting on the video, I was pointing out the absurdity of the comment I quoted.
Canon absolutely do not have to make a FF MILC, in the same way they don't 'have' to make a MF camera to compete with the Pentax 645Z, or flashes to compete with the Profoto B1Z. If they do make a FF MILC it will be on their terms given that they know how comparatively small that market is.
There are a disproportionately vocal number of blowhards that are completely skewing the apparent size and relevance of a FF MILC market.
Whether Canon needs to make them or not is a business decision by Canon. I am not interested at this point, but I think that would be like saying Ford doesn't need to build SUV's. The reality is Canon probably does for a host of reasons other than the FF mirrorless market by itself.
I think Tony's video was based upon the likely fact Canon will indeed be sending one to market. He pointed out Canon's strengths and weaknesses and how they may impact the camera that is eventually introduced. I actually thought it was a pretty fair analysis although history may show it to be wrong. That is the chance you take when you make predictions.
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