Touchscreen Coming to EOS 5D Mark IV? [CR1]

[StoneColdCoffee]

I would have no trouble believing that a touch screen would appear on a new 6d model. But 5d series? Harder to believe!

+1 I believe it will be on the 6D II. Which I would purchase. But if it goes appear on the 5DIV and not on the 6DII , then im going to have to wait until the new 5DIV price comes down and purchase it. But im very excited and hopeful that it might happen. I use the 6D with DSLRDashboard. would be nice to have less equipment to haul around and also to have a time lapse controller on both the new 6DII and 5DIV.

 

[Etienne]

I registered JUST to say this:

For all you people who think tillable and/or articulating screens are delicate or weaken a body, all I have to say is you must have very limited shooting experience.

- There has been no evidence of articulating screens being the source of numerous returns, warranty claims, or malfunctions.

- The usefulness of an articulating screen is incredible. Being able to shoot easily from different levels without having to contort your body into weird positions is a godsend, and if you think it's only when you shoot macro, again, I have to wonder what kind of shooting you do. And no, a 90 degree viewfinder won't help you when you're holding your camera above your head or dropping it close/on the ground. And have you ever tried to shoot yourself in a group? Do you know how much easier it is to flip a screen 180 degrees and get the framing right in real time?

- If you're worried about damage, you realize you can keep the screen locked in place, right? And that if it's an articulating screen, you can actually protect the screen even more by having it face the inside?

Once you use a hinged screen you realize just how limiting a fixed screen is. I love my 5DIII but I've lost count of the number of times I've wished I had my old 60D's rotating screen. These arguments against tilting and articulating screens are tiring.

+1000

I've had three cameras with swivel screens, and quite a few without including the 5D3. I have never had a failure of a swivel screen, and it comes in handy almost every shoot day. I really wish my 5D3 had a swivel touchscreen. I don't even bother with a screen protector with swivel screen cameras because I just keep it closed LCD side inwards when not in use or when in potential danger.

Bring on the swivel touchscreen with touch-to-focus, focus racking, DPAF, touch to shoot etc etc. Leave the naysayers behind, just like when they were objecting to autofocus in pro cameras.

 

[rs]

A touch screen can be really useful for certain uses, as long as everything can still be done via the physical buttons, and they work out a way to ensure false presses are ignored (e.g., you don't set it 10 sec timer or AF off because your nose touched the screen when you put the viewfinder up to your eye.

Similarly, a swivel screen has its uses when coupled with a good live view implementation. If I don't want to get covered in mud, wide angle lenses and shooting low to the ground always result in me being miles away from a level horizon. Again, it has to be both physically tough, not impact weather sealing and offer both a large display and not displace any buttons for it to have no disadvantages.

 

[gsealy]

I registered JUST to say this:

For all you people who think tillable and/or articulating screens are delicate or weaken a body, all I have to say is you must have very limited shooting experience.

- There has been no evidence of articulating screens being the source of numerous returns, warranty claims, or malfunctions.

- The usefulness of an articulating screen is incredible. Being able to shoot easily from different levels without having to contort your body into weird positions is a godsend, and if you think it's only when you shoot macro, again, I have to wonder what kind of shooting you do. And no, a 90 degree viewfinder won't help you when you're holding your camera above your head or dropping it close/on the ground. And have you ever tried to shoot yourself in a group? Do you know how much easier it is to flip a screen 180 degrees and get the framing right in real time?

- If you're worried about damage, you realize you can keep the screen locked in place, right? And that if it's an articulating screen, you can actually protect the screen even more by having it face the inside?

Once you use a hinged screen you realize just how limiting a fixed screen is. I love my 5DIII but I've lost count of the number of times I've wished I had my old 60D's rotating screen. These arguments against tilting and articulating screens are tiring.

+1000

I've had three cameras with swivel screens, and quite a few without including the 5D3. I have never had a failure of a swivel screen, and it comes in handy almost every shoot day. I really wish my 5D3 had a swivel touchscreen. I don't even bother with a screen protector with swivel screen cameras because I just keep it closed LCD side inwards when not in use or when in potential danger.

Bring on the swivel touchscreen with touch-to-focus, focus racking, DPAF, touch to shoot etc etc. Leave the naysayers behind, just like when they were objecting to autofocus in pro cameras.

I agree too. I have it on my t4i and it works great, and there are no issues at all with 'flimsiness.' As mentioned in the OP I turn it the opposite way during transporting so that the hard side faces out. So actually the LCD is even better protected that what we have today on the 5DIII. There are other use cases rather than just kneeling down. For example, if the camera is mounted on a dolly for video, then the screen can be tilted down so as to get good framing. Same for holding the camera over your head when in crowd. This is a nice feature folks. In a couple of years people will complain when a camera doesn't have it.

 

[gsealy]

"so expect lots of new technology added to the nameplate."

This is a good thing. But 'lots' is a relative term. Everybody has a different idea what 'lots' actually is. Canon too.

 

[ahsanford]

"so expect lots of new technology added to the nameplate."

This is a good thing. But 'lots' is a relative term. Everybody has a different idea what 'lots' actually is. Canon too.

There two sides to this. 'Technology' is either value-add left-field stuff we didn't see coming, like DPAF or anti-flicker mode, or it's something to address the core performance forum-dwellers disproportionately care about (i.e. DR, noise, etc.).

All my chips are on the former. The sensor's base performance will be marginally better but cannot possibly meet expectations of anyone wanting to keep up the sonyJoneses.

- A

 

[Don Haines]

I registered JUST to say this:

For all you people who think tillable and/or articulating screens are delicate or weaken a body, all I have to say is you must have very limited shooting experience.

- There has been no evidence of articulating screens being the source of numerous returns, warranty claims, or malfunctions.

- The usefulness of an articulating screen is incredible. Being able to shoot easily from different levels without having to contort your body into weird positions is a godsend, and if you think it's only when you shoot macro, again, I have to wonder what kind of shooting you do. And no, a 90 degree viewfinder won't help you when you're holding your camera above your head or dropping it close/on the ground. And have you ever tried to shoot yourself in a group? Do you know how much easier it is to flip a screen 180 degrees and get the framing right in real time?

- If you're worried about damage, you realize you can keep the screen locked in place, right? And that if it's an articulating screen, you can actually protect the screen even more by having it face the inside?

Once you use a hinged screen you realize just how limiting a fixed screen is. I love my 5DIII but I've lost count of the number of times I've wished I had my old 60D's rotating screen. These arguments against tilting and articulating screens are tiring.

+1000

I've had three cameras with swivel screens, and quite a few without including the 5D3. I have never had a failure of a swivel screen, and it comes in handy almost every shoot day. I really wish my 5D3 had a swivel touchscreen. I don't even bother with a screen protector with swivel screen cameras because I just keep it closed LCD side inwards when not in use or when in potential danger.

Bring on the swivel touchscreen with touch-to-focus, focus racking, DPAF, touch to shoot etc etc. Leave the naysayers behind, just like when they were objecting to autofocus in pro cameras.

I agree too. I have it on my t4i and it works great, and there are no issues at all with 'flimsiness.' As mentioned in the OP I turn it the opposite way during transporting so that the hard side faces out. So actually the LCD is even better protected that what we have today on the 5DIII. There are other use cases rather than just kneeling down. For example, if the camera is mounted on a dolly for video, then the screen can be tilted down so as to get good framing. Same for holding the camera over your head when in crowd. This is a nice feature folks. In a couple of years people will complain when a camera doesn't have it.

A week ago I was doing technical photography in very cramped quarters. I had a 5D2 and a 7D2 with me.... I went home at lunch for my 60D and shot the rest of the project with it.... sometimes a tilt swivel screen is the most important feature on the camera.....

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Nooooo...

The more gimmicks, the less chance of a sensor breakthrough.

Ok, maybe I could live with A rugged well executed touch screen. But a flip screen is just a hazard.

+1. A touch screen I don't have an issue with. But a flip screen is just something else to break off. Being held onto the camera by a solitary connection is increasing the chance of something going wrong. Sure, for macro work, I would like it. But, that's why I bought the right-angled finder.

right-angled finder is a lot worse than 10x liveview on a flip screen

plus where are all the reports or broken flip screens or pop-up flashes? where?

and if you don't trust the flip, just keep it locked down

 

[gunship01]

I would have to think Canon's efforts are best spent on making the sharpest pictures (IQ, low light, sensor, ISO) possible and leave the gimmicks to the lower tiered series (7 and 6). I cannot imagine many wedding photographers needing to shoot too many pictures from the hip and not look through the viewfinder.

 

[jolyonralph]

Don't bother with a swivel screen, put a 1mpx rear camera in for selfies

 

[gsealy]

"so expect lots of new technology added to the nameplate."

This is a good thing. But 'lots' is a relative term. Everybody has a different idea what 'lots' actually is. Canon too.

There two sides to this. 'Technology' is either value-add left-field stuff we didn't see coming, like DPAF or anti-flicker mode, or it's something to address the core performance forum-dwellers disproportionately care about (i.e. DR, noise, etc.).

All my chips are on the former. The sensor's base performance will be marginally better but cannot possibly meet expectations of anyone wanting to keep up the sonyJoneses.

- A

Just one other thought -- Of all of Canon's cameras it seems to me that the one getting the most emotional involvement is the 5D evolution. Lots and lots of people use the 'III' and the 'II.' It is just versatile and good. I had a wonderful shoot today with a 5DIII and the 24-70mm f2.8. All of the shots are keepers and I have the nice problem determining which ones to use. At other times I have used it to shoot commercial videos with external Atomos recording to get the 422 color depth and high bit rate.

So basically what I am saying is the customers want the 5DIV to continue to be a versatile machine, but with current standards. They are willing to pay the price for it. It is very emotional as evidenced by the posts. It will be very interesting to see what the final product is.

 

[zim]

Really not bothered one way or another about a tilt screen but touch screen, bring it on!

 

[Chngster]

Whichever 5D/6D full frame gets the touchscreen treatment is the one I'll get. Having used 70D for the past 2 years, the ease of a touchscreen is something I don't want to lose. It makes focusing on objects at the very edge of the screen easy. And super easy to delete photos on the run.

 

[ahsanford]

I would have to think Canon's efforts are best spent on making the sharpest pictures (IQ, low light, sensor, ISO) possible and leave the gimmicks to the lower tiered series (7 and 6). I cannot imagine many wedding photographers needing to shoot too many pictures from the hip and not look through the viewfinder.

Because 5D owners only shoot weddings. Come on.

I don't even want a flip screen but it's inevitable for a host of reasons.

And the argument that a flip screen is stealing resources from improving sensors don't hold water. The staff who work on those things are quite different in skillset -- "Sorry, world class sensor designer Dave and data handling / noise processing ringer Lisa, we need you to stop with your mission critical on-chip ADC work and knock out a flippy screen for us. Chop chop."

I appreciate a project has a budget and everything has a price, but it's not like in the planning stages of the project Canon could have traded away that proposed flippy screen for two stops more DR at ISO 100. Those are apples and oranges to deliver.

- A

 

[3kramd5]

The more gimmicks, the less chance of a sensor breakthrough.

Um. Why? Seems entirely unrelated.

 

[ahsanford]

Just one other thought -- Of all of Canon's cameras it seems to me that the one getting the most emotional involvement is the 5D evolution. Lots and lots of people use the 'III' and the 'II.' It is just versatile and good. I had a wonderful shoot today with a 5DIII and the 24-70mm f2.8. All of the shots are keepers and I have the nice problem determining which ones to use. At other times I have used it to shoot commercial videos with external Atomos recording to get the 422 color depth and high bit rate.

So basically what I am saying is the customers want the 5DIV to continue to be a versatile machine, but with current standards. They are willing to pay the price for it. It is very emotional as evidenced by the posts. It will be very interesting to see what the final product is.

Agree in general. Keep in mind that Canon is 100% developing the 5D4 and 1DX II for working photographers first and 'keeping up with the Joneses' a distant second. Canon still cleaning up major photography awards and pros aren't leaving Canon in nearly the numbers you'd expect based on DXO testing. Until they lose their core professionals in large numbers, Canon will stick to what works: they blow off lab testing review folks and choose to listen to their customers instead. It's worked so far.

- A

 

[Etienne]

The more gimmicks, the less chance of a sensor breakthrough.

Um. Why? Seems entirely unrelated.

Because it's just like that toy feature they brought in for amateurs a couple of decades ago, remember? I think they called it "auto-focus," but no true professional uses it!

 

[YuengLinger]

The more gimmicks, the less chance of a sensor breakthrough.

Um. Why? Seems entirely unrelated.

If you feel obligated to put out a new product but have no core improvements, add gimmicks. That's marketing 101.

 

[pwp]

Nooooo...
The more gimmicks, the less chance of a sensor breakthrough.
Ok, maybe I could live with A rugged well executed touch screen. But a flip screen is just a hazard.

+1. A touch screen I don't have an issue with. But a flip screen is just something else to break off. Being held onto the camera by a solitary connection is increasing the chance of something going wrong. Sure, for macro work, I would like it. But, that's why I bought the right-angled finder.

Have you guys even used flipping touch screens? They're just fantastic. After a 15 months shooting video & stills with a Panasonic GH4 which has a superbly implemented flip/touch screen I'm a total convert. There is zero vulnerability unless you're a complete 100% klutz. And you can be pretty sure Canon will have the menu option to leave Touch switched off. And you can leave the flip screen in it's default position if you don't like it. But that would be at the expense of denying yourself very useful functionality which is just another aid to the creative process.

When I'm shooting stills with 5D3 and 1D MkIV I miss the touch functionality. It's just so efficient and intuitive.

-pw

 

[jolyonralph]

The issue with an articulating screen on a 5D-class camera was never about fragility, as far as I recall, but more to do with the problems guaranteeing weather sealing.