Touchscreen Coming to EOS 5D Mark IV? [CR1]

[tcmatthews]

Articulating screen is one thing I would love. But I hate touch screens. It seems like cameras that have touch screens remove the physical buttons. I am fine with it as long as it can be turned off and ignored with out losing functionality.

No touchscreen at the expense of functionality period. Because the first thing I will want to do is turn the thing off. Furthermore I do not like Canons implementation in the rebels or the 70D at all. It seems clumsy to me.

I think they should build a flip screen with a gorilla glass front and high grade magnesium back. If done right it can be much more durable than the scratch prone fixed screens. My Canon 6D and Sony A7 II both have scratch screens my 60D has a scratched back.

So in my experience the flip screens are superior. Sample size of 4. Note 60Ds will die if drowned..

 

[tcmatthews]

The issue with an articulating screen on a 5D-class camera was never about fragility, as far as I recall, but more to do with the problems guaranteeing weather sealing.

Agreed. Would be tough to weather seal.

Not necessarily I could easily see connector built into the base of the flip screen. It would be sealed inside and out by gaskets. If a screen died all you would have to do is unscrew the base of the adapter clean the connector and screw on a new screen.

A modular screen if you will. I think it was more a matter of perceived weather sealing.

 

[TAF]

There is no legitimate reason to object to a touch screen -- just myths. The only legitimate reason to object to a flip screen is that the hinge takes up additional real estate on the back of the camera, so the right-side buttons would need to be relocated.

I beg to differ. Ever have your nose trigger a function on a touch screen? Been there, done that.

Unless I can disable the touch screen, I probably won't be buying.

I do like the idea of a floppy screen, though.

 

[sleepnever]

A swing out screen like I had on my T2i would be awesome, if they can keep the weather sealing. However, a touch screen? I don't need that gimmick.

 

[scyrene]

There is no legitimate reason to object to a touch screen -- just myths. The only legitimate reason to object to a flip screen is that the hinge takes up additional real estate on the back of the camera, so the right-side buttons would need to be relocated.

I beg to differ. Ever have your nose trigger a function on a touch screen? Been there, done that.

Unless I can disable the touch screen, I probably won't be buying.

I do like the idea of a floppy screen, though.

Well phone touchscreens disable when held next to the head, I don't see why a similar function couldn't apply here.

 

[9VIII]

Being left eyed, I'd really appreciate a swing out screen as I put persperation from my face all over the screen.

+1 and it would be nice for macro and studio work, but it better be rugged.

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I love the flippy screen, not just tilty.

Chances are this is the 6DMkII and not the 5D4, but I'll take a 5D4 with a flippy screen if they want to implement it.

 

[9VIII]

A week ago I was doing technical photography in very cramped quarters. I had a 5D2 and a 7D2 with me.... I went home at lunch for my 60D and shot the rest of the project with it.... sometimes a tilt swivel screen is the most important feature on the camera.....

In 20 years when all the professionals will be people who upgraded from a Rebel, they'll start putting fixed screens on low end cameras and force people to buy "professional" gear to get the flippy screen.

 

[privatebydesign]

The issue with an articulating screen on a 5D-class camera was never about fragility, as far as I recall, but more to do with the problems guaranteeing weather sealing.

Agreed. Would be tough to weather seal.

Tell that to Olympus, they put a waterproof, not bullshit 'weathersealed', tilting screen on their $250 P&S, it is good to a depth of 33ft too.

 

[Ozarker]

I registered JUST to say this:

For all you people who think tillable and/or articulating screens are delicate or weaken a body, all I have to say is you must have very limited shooting experience.

- There has been no evidence of articulating screens being the source of numerous returns, warranty claims, or malfunctions.

- The usefulness of an articulating screen is incredible. Being able to shoot easily from different levels without having to contort your body into weird positions is a godsend, and if you think it's only when you shoot macro, again, I have to wonder what kind of shooting you do. And no, a 90 degree viewfinder won't help you when you're holding your camera above your head or dropping it close/on the ground. And have you ever tried to shoot yourself in a group? Do you know how much easier it is to flip a screen 180 degrees and get the framing right in real time?

- If you're worried about damage, you realize you can keep the screen locked in place, right? And that if it's an articulating screen, you can actually protect the screen even more by having it face the inside?

These arguments against tilting and articulating screens are tiring.

Here, here - a compelling first post.

Yes, great post. The screen could even have a magnesium alloy frame like the camera body. I only deploy the one on my 70D when the camera is very low, very high, or in some other odd position. Canon can seal out moisture just like anything else.

Personally, that is the one thing I wish my Mark III had. I love it on my 70D. For the older set out there the articulating screen is fantastic. Touch screen is awesome too.

Some people call this a gimmick. Someone even suggested this would somehow interfere with new sensor technology. SMH. The two aren't even related.

When the 5D Mark IV replacement comes to market I'll buy a Mark IV and be tickled to death if it has an articulating screen.

 

[Ozarker]

The 5D4 still will be so far behind the A7R2 regarding specs, that such things are the minimum you can expect from Canon to show at least a handful of arguments to buy this camera. Also it would be no problem to release 2 different 5D4 versions, so that those who think less is more are still satisfied.

Pftttt!

 

[MrFotoFool]

As a 5D3 (and former 5D2) user I have never really needed a tilt screen, but of course it would not hurt to have one. As others said, just leave it against camera if you don't want the tilt.

Touch screen, on the other hand, is atrocious in my opinion. My point and shoot is the EOS M with touch screen and I hate touch screen. I am constantly switching modes accidentally. Maybe part of my dislike is the fact I have never owned a smart phone (or any cell phone for that matter), so I am not used to a touch screen.

 

[3kramd5]

The more gimmicks, the less chance of a sensor breakthrough.

Um. Why? Seems entirely unrelated.

If you feel obligated to put out a new product but have no core improvements, add gimmicks. That's marketing 101.

Be that as it may, those engineers working on sensor development and those working on articulating screens are not the same people. If canon replaced all the sensor folk with hinge mechanism folk, sure, there is cause for concern. That seems unlikely.

 

[TeT]

There is no legitimate reason to object to a touch screen -- just myths. The only legitimate reason to object to a flip screen is that the hinge takes up additional real estate on the back of the camera, so the right-side buttons would need to be relocated.

I beg to differ. Ever have your nose trigger a function on a touch screen? Been there, done that.

Unless I can disable the touch screen, I probably won't be buying.

I do like the idea of a floppy screen, though.

How big is your nose? ;D

 

[Ryananthony]

I've owned a 60d, and never liked the flip screen personally. I don't like shooting in live view at all unless my camera is on a tripod actually. With the comments about just leaving it locked in place, I don't like how the screen doesn't fit flush against the back of the camera. If Canon can keep the buttons on the left of the camera with a flip screen, sure. But, if the buttons are located elsewhere or if they are removed all together for a touchscreen, this will not be a camera I will be buying.

 

[YuengLinger]

I've owned a 60d, and never liked the flip screen personally. I don't like shooting in live view at all unless my camera is on a tripod actually. With the comments about just leaving it locked in place, I don't like how the screen doesn't fit flush against the back of the camera. If Canon can keep the buttons on the left of the camera with a flip screen, sure. But, if the buttons are located elsewhere or if they are removed all together for a touchscreen, this will not be a camera I will be buying.

+1

 

[scottkinfw]

I'm neutral on the flippy screen/touch screen. I am sure that I could find a good use for it, and it will be fun to learn. What I really want is a better sensor, better IQ, and faster, more accurate focus and tracking. A couple frames per second more with better range and iso would be great too.

Can't wait to see what actually is delivered, and I hope it comes before the summer (2016)

sek

 

[Maximilian]

And I also don't like finger marks on a fixed touch screen where I'd like to see the sharpness of a pic.

Sorry, don't mean to be rude, but that makes no sense at all.

If you are worried about finger marks on a screen, don't touch it. It's as simple as that.
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Hi unfocused!

You're not rude, but you're not reading properly. Sorry to say that. (Or I did write mistakable)
I didn't say, that I don't want a touch screen.
And guess what I'm doing with the one in my 100D/SL1 - don't touch it.

I did say that it's not my most desired feature for this camera.
There is much more much more important to a 5D4 than this.

If there is a touch screen - so be it.
If there is a tilting screen with sturdy and flat mechanics - great.

If Canon makes it halfhearted - better leave it away.

 

[Maximilian]

y..

And I also don't like finger marks on a fixed touch screen where I'd like to see the sharpness of a pic.

Sorry, don't mean to be rude, but that makes no sense at all.

If you are worried about finger marks on a screen, don't touch it. It's as simple as that.
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The only legitimate reason to object to a flip screen is that the hinge takes up additional real estate on the back of the camera, so the right-side buttons would need to be relocated.

You do have to use the touch screen if canon has removed the buttons!

Flip screens are for kids with toy cameras, seriously.

+1
But I hope thet this won't happen to a 5D4 as the pros testing in field will tell Canon how to make/keep the button layout.

 

[Sabaki]

Think we can get Tetris on the 5D IV too? :

 

[roxics]

Flip screens are for kids with toy cameras, seriously.

Oh really?