Touchscreen Coming to EOS 5D Mark IV? [CR1]

[dufflover]

Just chiming into this thread as another user who loves his 70D flippy touch screen + DPAF. That was one of the main reasons I basically "converted" my 7D + 60D and got a 70D. Ok that's probably not the most accurate description of what happened but point is that (doing a lot of "lazy ground level shooting") there were times I actually preferred the 60D for the screen, but ofcourse that meant giving up the rest of it (AF points, FPS/buffer) so 70D was the obvious best of both - ended up selling the 7D down to it getting a decent dollar value than trying to sell the 60D.

I'd even go as far as to say it's one of the main reasons why I haven't gotten an FF camera yet because admittedly I (obviously?) don't need the super AF and high ISO performance, not enough to splash the cash alone *and* lose this nice bit of usability, but if it had a flippy screen and good Live View AF I probably would've been convinced to buy one during my "weaker" G.A.S. moments of feeling like upgrading lol

And yes I'd issue the same challenge - if all this new "crap" Canon plastic, pop-up flashes and flippy screens is so weak, I'm not seeing the constant reports of breakages.

 

[romanr74]

I would have to think Canon's efforts are best spent on making the sharpest pictures (IQ, low light, sensor, ISO) possible and leave the gimmicks to the lower tiered series (7 and 6). I cannot imagine many wedding photographers needing to shoot too many pictures from the hip and not look through the viewfinder.

Because 5D owners only shoot weddings. Come on.

I don't even want a flip screen but it's inevitable for a host of reasons.

And the argument that a flip screen is stealing resources from improving sensors don't hold water. The staff who work on those things are quite different in skillset -- "Sorry, world class sensor designer Dave and data handling / noise processing ringer Lisa, we need you to stop with your mission critical on-chip ADC work and knock out a flippy screen for us. Chop chop."

I appreciate a project has a budget and everything has a price, but it's not like in the planning stages of the project Canon could have traded away that proposed flippy screen for two stops more DR at ISO 100. Those are apples and oranges to deliver.

- A

I'm not interested in apples and oranges. I'm looking for the next evolution step of the 5D. I never ever missed a shot because I have no swivel screen.

 

[romanr74]

I think WiFi functionality would be enough to address low angle shooting. I'd take Wifi over flip screen.

I'd want WIFI connectivity able to (without further accessory) use my iPad as a live view remote. That will solve all my personal situations where my photo ideas are cumbersome (and where in many cases a swifel screen would actually not do the job).

 

[romanr74]

The Flip Out touch Screen is a MUST DO! Im a professional event photographer and videographer and this feature is 100% desired! I use to be a full time photojournalist for 10 years working for The New York Times, Associated Press and Ive been published in National Geographic.

The weddings with a 5D3 and a 70D. I use the 70D for stills or video because of the articulating touch screen. To get an shot while the camera is on the floor is awesome and quick with the flip articulating screen and a must for overhead type of shots of dancing etc. When shooting video the touch screen is awesome and having it articulate is a must. I bought a EOS cinema C100 but I felt it clumsy for shooting wedding, the view finder useless and not nearly as user friendly as the 70D. The articulating screen with awesome video auto focus on a 5D IV would be 2x-3x better in low light than the 70D. I have to shoot the 70D with a Sigma 18-35mm f/1.8 DC HSM Art Lens.

Im seriously considering moving to Sony if Canon doesn't make an articulating touch screen for the 5D IV...I see no need to be loyal to a company whom doesn't keep up with the competition.

Erik
www.ExhalePhotoJournalism.com

To my mind you have a picture framing challenge. I dont think Sony will solve that for you...

 

[romanr74]

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I don't think it's the opposition to certain features so much as the basis of that opposition - opponents don't seem to have any good reason or evidence to object to the addition of features that they can just choose to disable/ignore (sounds rather like people who resent their DSLR having video functionality).
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People will oppose something just because it is new, or just because it makes them feel like their equipment is no longer as good any more or the thought of a newer product being better and people buying that for less than they paid makes them feel cheated, etc. Emotional responses, mostly, that people dress up to make them seem less emotional.

Is this the psychology class?

 

[romanr74]

The one annoying assertion in this thread is that those of us who oppose a flip screen on the 5DIV have never used a flip-screen, thus our distaste and distain.

Those of you assuming this apparently have used a flip-screen and believe anybody who doesn't like it is ignorant or reactionary.

Wrong assumptions about human nature point to missing a lot of precious moments because you simply don't recognize them. Or you are adjusting your flip screen. ;D

You: 1. "You do have to use the touch screen if canon has removed the buttons!

2. Flip screens are for kids with toy cameras, seriously."

3. You also said it isn't a core improvement, just a "gimmick."

1. The buttons are not removed. There is still full control through buttons on all current Canon DSLR models. Thus your ignorance and probable non-use, or extremely passive use of any flip screen on a Canon. If you used a 70D you certainly were completely unfamiliar re: the buttons.

Nobody really cares whether you like the screen or not. Just know what you are talking about or ask somebody who does.

2. Name the toy cameras with touch flip screens. First define "toy" cameras.

3. Not a core improvement? That statement is just laughable. Those of us who use it know better. It is a fantastic core improvement.

Nobody cares whether you like it or not. Just know we can spot a troll when we see one.

Somebody else made the misinformed remark that a flip touch screen would change settings as his nose touched it.

Someone else suggested the camera could not be weather sealed.

Now you suggest that it is we, the users of the tech, who are misinformed as to your use or that of others. Nope. Your statements earlier in the thread prove your ignorance on the matter. You may have tried out a flip touch screen, but you certainly did not know everything can still be controlled through buttons. You are a smart man, however, you are ignorant concerning this.

Wow. Impressed. Another forum member who talks for everybody but not only herself. If only I had this infinite wisdom for 2 seconds I would finally die happily...

 

[romanr74]

I bought everything I have for pleasure. They are all toys.

Now I'm seeing pictures...

 

[Don Haines]

I never ever missed a shot because I have no swivel screen.

Good for you! but don't deny or decry others the use of a tool that they find useful.

I did a confined space shoot and got so fed up with the 5D2 that I went home at lunch and got my 60D and enjoyed the flippy screen for the rest of the shoot.

Some people prefer a flippy screen to lying in mud or cold water and snow. Some like it for over the head shots. There is even a rumour that people with arthritis prefer it to crawling on their hands and knees..

 

[romanr74]

I never ever missed a shot because I have no swivel screen.

Good for you! but don't deny or decry others the use of a tool that they find useful.

I did a confined space shoot and got so fed up with the 5D2 that I went home at lunch and got my 60D and enjoyed the flippy screen for the rest of the shoot.

Some people prefer a flippy screen to lying in mud or cold water and snow. Some like it for over the head shots. There is even a rumour that people with arthritis prefer it to crawling on their hands and knees..

In constrast to most people in this forum - if you are among these is for your selfassessment - I only express my opinion and my requirements and don't talk about universal truth...

 

[StudentOfLight]

I never ever missed a shot because I have no swivel screen.

Good for you! but don't deny or decry others the use of a tool that they find useful.

I did a confined space shoot and got so fed up with the 5D2 that I went home at lunch and got my 60D and enjoyed the flippy screen for the rest of the shoot.

Some people prefer a flippy screen to lying in mud or cold water and snow. Some like it for over the head shots. There is even a rumour that people with arthritis prefer it to crawling on their hands and knees..

Another example:
Last month I lent my 60D to a relative for their recent trip to Europe. They probably never used the [ * ] exposure lock button as I taught them to shoot in manual mode. They never missed a shot in that trip due to exposure lock issues. The fact that they didn't use the [ * ] button (and never missed a shot because of it) is not a reasonable way to come to any meaningful conclusion on whether or not the [ * ] button should be included on Camera bodies?

 

[romanr74]

I never ever missed a shot because I have no swivel screen.

Good for you! but don't deny or decry others the use of a tool that they find useful.

I did a confined space shoot and got so fed up with the 5D2 that I went home at lunch and got my 60D and enjoyed the flippy screen for the rest of the shoot.

Some people prefer a flippy screen to lying in mud or cold water and snow. Some like it for over the head shots. There is even a rumour that people with arthritis prefer it to crawling on their hands and knees..

Another example:
Last month I lent my 60D to a relative for their recent trip to Europe. They probably never used the [ * ] exposure lock button as I taught them to shoot in manual mode. They never missed a shot in that trip due to exposure lock issues. The fact that they didn't use the [ * ] button (and never missed a shot because of it) is not a reasonable way to come to any meaningful conclusion on whether or not the [ * ] button should be included on Camera bodies?

This mindblowing insight changes everything - thanks for sharing...
Can I personally still dislike swivel screens and say that I don't need them and don't want them on my DSLR?
You can still want and consider useful as many swively parts on your gear as you wish...

 

[hmatthes]

I'm an old film camera guy, EOS since 1987.
I hardly ever use "LiveView" since my internal workflow starts with eye to pentaprism with my hands knowing where to diddle with controls.
Now my 70D and wife's SL1 are causing me to use the "Q" often to scan the myriad of related settings all at once, poke which should change, and spin the dial... I am sold on touch screen.
In weather I invert the 70D screen toward the body for potentially better sealing -- hell I know how to use the camera without it! The viewfinder has lots of info.
Articulating screens are wonderful. I use it a lot when in the woods, with macro, with odd situations.
5DIV: Touch Screen = YES Articulating would be very nice but I can use the 70D in a pinch.
Please give me a 24meg full frame, 6fps, better than anything else dynamic RAW range, noise free to ISO1600 -- then literally nothing else.
Don't need GPS, WiFi is terrible as implemented, how about more "C" selections & less "A" junk.

 

[Don Haines]

I never ever missed a shot because I have no swivel screen.

Good for you! but don't deny or decry others the use of a tool that they find useful.

I did a confined space shoot and got so fed up with the 5D2 that I went home at lunch and got my 60D and enjoyed the flippy screen for the rest of the shoot.

Some people prefer a flippy screen to lying in mud or cold water and snow. Some like it for over the head shots. There is even a rumour that people with arthritis prefer it to crawling on their hands and knees..

In constrast to most people in this forum - if you are among these is for your selfassessment - I only express my opinion and my requirements and don't talk about universal truth...

I don't think there is a universal truth..... We all have different needs and preferences..... And there is absolutely nothing wrong with stating one's opinion, but because it is so easy to misjudge things on the web, starting off with "my opinion" or "personally" can help others realize that you are stating your opinion and not launching a diatribe like some others are prone to.....

 

[StudentOfLight]

I never ever missed a shot because I have no swivel screen.

Good for you! but don't deny or decry others the use of a tool that they find useful.

I did a confined space shoot and got so fed up with the 5D2 that I went home at lunch and got my 60D and enjoyed the flippy screen for the rest of the shoot.

Some people prefer a flippy screen to lying in mud or cold water and snow. Some like it for over the head shots. There is even a rumour that people with arthritis prefer it to crawling on their hands and knees..

Another example:
Last month I lent my 60D to a relative for their recent trip to Europe. They probably never used the [ * ] exposure lock button as I taught them to shoot in manual mode. They never missed a shot in that trip due to exposure lock issues. The fact that they didn't use the [ * ] button (and never missed a shot because of it) is not a reasonable way to come to any meaningful conclusion on whether or not the [ * ] button should be included on Camera bodies?

This mindblowing insight changes everything - thanks for sharing...
Can I personally still dislike swivel screens and say that I don't need them and don't want them on my DSLR?
You can still want and consider useful as many swively parts on your gear as you wish...

That's a completely reasonable position to hold.

 

[ashmadux]

I would have to think Canon's efforts are best spent on making the sharpest pictures (IQ, low light, sensor, ISO) possible and leave the gimmicks to the lower tiered series (7 and 6). I cannot imagine many wedding photographers needing to shoot too many pictures from the hip and not look through the viewfinder.

Because 5D owners only shoot weddings. Come on.

I don't even want a flip screen but it's inevitable for a host of reasons.

And the argument that a flip screen is stealing resources from improving sensors don't hold water. The staff who work on those things are quite different in skillset -- "Sorry, world class sensor designer Dave and data handling / noise processing ringer Lisa, we need you to stop with your mission critical on-chip ADC work and knock out a flippy screen for us. Chop chop."

I appreciate a project has a budget and everything has a price, but it's not like in the planning stages of the project Canon could have traded away that proposed flippy screen for two stops more DR at ISO 100. Those are apples and oranges to deliver.

- A

I'm not interested in apples and oranges. I'm looking for the next evolution step of the 5D. I never ever missed a shot because I have no swivel screen.

Fir enough. It's likely though that you could not get certain shots, therefore didn't try. So you win by a very loose default

 

[scyrene]

I never ever missed a shot because I have no swivel screen.

Good for you! but don't deny or decry others the use of a tool that they find useful.

I did a confined space shoot and got so fed up with the 5D2 that I went home at lunch and got my 60D and enjoyed the flippy screen for the rest of the shoot.

Some people prefer a flippy screen to lying in mud or cold water and snow. Some like it for over the head shots. There is even a rumour that people with arthritis prefer it to crawling on their hands and knees..

In constrast to most people in this forum - if you are among these is for your selfassessment - I only express my opinion and my requirements and don't talk about universal truth...

I don't think there is a universal truth..... We all have different needs and preferences..... And there is absolutely nothing wrong with stating one's opinion, but because it is so easy to misjudge things on the web, starting off with "my opinion" or "personally" can help others realize that you are stating your opinion and not launching a diatribe like some others are prone to.....

This is absolutely fair. But we ought to strive to hold opinions backed up by evidence, and change our opinions when presented with good, strong evidence to the contrary. Now the swivel thing is a matter of taste, ultimately, so mostly beyond evidence, but those arguments put forward by the anti-swivel people have been rebutted, and no evidence presented to support them (e.g. weather sealing - it's said you can't weather-seal a flip screen, but then weather-sealed cameras have been cited). Not all opinions are equal in that sense (and again I repeat: I'm neither pro- nor anti-flip screens).

 

[romanr74]

I would have to think Canon's efforts are best spent on making the sharpest pictures (IQ, low light, sensor, ISO) possible and leave the gimmicks to the lower tiered series (7 and 6). I cannot imagine many wedding photographers needing to shoot too many pictures from the hip and not look through the viewfinder.

Because 5D owners only shoot weddings. Come on.

I don't even want a flip screen but it's inevitable for a host of reasons.

And the argument that a flip screen is stealing resources from improving sensors don't hold water. The staff who work on those things are quite different in skillset -- "Sorry, world class sensor designer Dave and data handling / noise processing ringer Lisa, we need you to stop with your mission critical on-chip ADC work and knock out a flippy screen for us. Chop chop."

I appreciate a project has a budget and everything has a price, but it's not like in the planning stages of the project Canon could have traded away that proposed flippy screen for two stops more DR at ISO 100. Those are apples and oranges to deliver.

- A

I'm not interested in apples and oranges. I'm looking for the next evolution step of the 5D. I never ever missed a shot because I have no swivel screen.

Fir enough. It's likely though that you could not get certain shots, therefore didn't try. So you win by a very loose default

I have just again checked the thread where swivel-screen supported pictures can be shared. It doesn't tell me i missed something... Try harder...

 

[fotoproz]

I too registered just to reply to this post.

I have to agree with lidocaineus. I have been using my T3i for a lot of on location work and I can say that the usefulness of the articulating screen far out weights the 'possible' damage that could be done to the screen. I have not in all this while had on issue with the screen because I am careful using my equipment.

Being able to set up a shot, sometimes at a bad angle, is helped immensely by having the option of the an articulating screen.

I really hope that Canon makes this happen in addition to a better sensor.

 

[romanr74]

I too registered just to reply to this post.

I have to agree with lidocaineus. I have been using my T3i for a lot of on location work and I can say that the usefulness of the articulating screen far out weights the 'possible' damage that could be done to the screen. I have not in all this while had on issue with the screen because I am careful using my equipment.

Being able to set up a shot, sometimes at a bad angle, is helped immensely by having the option of the an articulating screen.

I really hope that Canon makes this happen in addition to a better sensor.

give me samples samples samples... anyone...!?

 

[melbournite]

For what it's worth (maybe Canon are listening)...

I've owned all Canon 5D editions and WANT to have touch and articulating screen on the next one.