Two more EOS R bodies are coming in 2021 [CR2]

[deanmejos]

I'm thinking about the low-cost R body...not that I wanna buy it, but I'm just thinking about it. How about making a M6-like FF body?

External/Optional EVF
LP-E17 battery
single SD card slot
26MP again
a bit faster shooting speed
priced like the current RP or less

that should get people in the Canon/FF system especially if Canon also releases pancake lenses to go with it

 

[bigbadhenry]

An EOS-R7 please!!! I have been hoping for another top-end crop sensor RF mount to replace my aging 7DII. 24Mp would be fine with fast autofocus tracking, low-noise, and high frame-rate.

I'm looking for a replacement for my 7DII and it needs to be below £2000 or I'll not buy.

 

[CvH]

Thanks for letting us know. Unfortunately, the last checked my hands were the same size as they were when I bought my 7D which I find extremely comfortable to hold for long periods of time. The ergonomics of a camera, is for me, the most important aspect of a camera. It’s the reason I will never buy a Sony body until they create a camera that doesn’t have the ergonomics of a brick.

I have small hands. I like the small size and weight of my R, but the buttons and dials are better layout on the 5D3, and is much more comfortable to hold for long period of time. The new R5 looks similar in size to the R but hopefully Canon improves on the economic!

 

[Quarkcharmed]

R5 - 5D Replacement (2020) ($4999)
R5S - 5DS Replacement (2021) ($5200)

For 5k USD, thanks, but it'd be cheaper to switch to Sony A7RIV including trading Canon lenses in for Sony equivalents.

I don't expect R5/R5s to be much more expensive than its direct competitor.

 

[Chris.Chapterten]

Utterly illogical.

Whatever the price turns out to be, you can't use the number as proof that it's due to a bunch of video features you don't want. Because in many cases the video feature uses physical capabilities that are also used by the stills capabilities you want. Removing the video capability would entail removing part of the stills capability. The video is riding piggyback.

Or maybe it's the stills capability that is riding piggyback on the video capability.

Either way, imagining the camera would be significantly cheaper by separating them out is sheer fantasy.

Yeah, so to get the stills stuff you want you will HAVE to put up with those video capabilities. Not because Canon is a bunch of meanies, but because those stills features are interdependent with the video ones.

Exactly.. I don't get why this is so hard to understand.

 

[derpderp]

No.
The 5DS(R) wasn't twice as much as the 5DIII, so why would the R5S be twice of R5?

because i was referring to the R1?

 

[derpderp]

Exactly.. I don't get why this is so hard to understand.

Some ppl still think the video and still specs of HYBRID cameras nowadays can be separated at will. TBH, if they want still capabilities only, they can go to pentax. oh wait...

 

[mb66energy]

This is great news.
An R6 with 36 MP sensor range would be perfect.
Does not need the hyper speed or 8K but all the AF features included (In fact every R should have that as standard).
Cost: $1,400.00
Just a good solid performer. like the FTb was.
Then a very inexpensive R in the $800.00 range with the AF features and 4K but again all the extra bells and whistles removed.
All MUST have full wireless connectivity though as Canon just showed.

The R6 feature set proposed by you makes a lot of sense and if the pricing is in the region of 1400 $ it might be a good start in a two body two lenses setup - two R5 are maybe too expensive for me. I have the money but it is overkill for what I do.

 

[Joules]

I gotta say I find this a refreshing break.

We've gone from "cripple hammer" "gonna buy a Sony" to "this camera does too much."

Seriously!

But the arguments are more ludicrous now than ever. At least wanting more FPS or more DR could be justified by personal wants.

But wanting to remove video from a mirrorless is like wanting to remove the EVF... And the high speed tracking and stills shooting. And of course nobody wants to give those up. It's wanting to eat the cake and have it too.

 

[brad-man]

All this talk just backs up my position. Some folks are just plain crazy...

 

[Ozarker]

Those prices are CRAZY.
If you are a pro stills shooter, the price of entry into the R system is going to be £5k???

Um, no. Maybe for you? A mistake is commonly made that what we personally think we need is what everyone else needs or wants. A professional is not defined by what he carries anymore than the gear defines the carrier. From where do you get the foggiest notion that entry level for pro stills shooters is $5k (or pounds) for a body? There are professionals doing fantastic work with far less. It isn't about the gear.

 

[Ozarker]

All this talk just backs up my position. Some folks are just plain crazy...

Yup. Cabin fever, I guess.

 

[scyrene]

High detail even in high iso where most of the wildlifer's strugle (like from 1600 and above) wich comes with less megapixels sensor as the 1dx does.

The rest of what you say is fair enough, but this is not really true - higher res means higher noise (at a given ISO) per pixel, but not per image, and normalising (i.e. outputting to the same size as a lower res sensor), you can expect more detail, as the smaller pixels are able to resolve more (and you can apply finer noise reduction).

 

[BillB]

Seriously!

But the arguments are more ludicrous now than ever. At least wanting more FPS or more DR could be justified by personal wants.

But wanting to remove video from a mirrorless is like wanting to remove the EVF... And the high speed tracking and stills shooting. And of course nobody wants to give those up. It's wanting to eat the cake and have it too.

Some people are in sticker shock before anybody knows what the sticker price is.

 

[peters]

Presently, only 2 R bodies are really missing, namely the R 1 for sports photographers, and the EOS 5 Ds replacement, the EOS Rs.
An additional low-cost R already exists, so, no need for another one.

I absolutely agree and hope for a high resolution R and a robust R1
I also would be interested in an even more video centered R model. Maybe with a lower MPixel count and better low light performance. Though the R5 is pretty much all I ever wanted.


I think that more cheaper R models are also very realisticaly. Canon got a LOT of cheaper DSLRs with quite some (maybe unecessary) segmentation. The 2000D, 4000D, 250D, 800D, 77D are all very similar and all in the lower price sector. They share a very tight market. So I think the R series will see also quite some more entry-level cameras.

 

[derpderp]

R5s (high megapixel R) and something to replace the RP is my vote. The R6 is clearly more video focused with the 20MP sensor, but it leaves a resolution gap in the product line as well as a place for an entry level FF (1 card slot, 26MP resolution, 4K30FPS video, $1499 price tag)

IMO an R1 release would be too soon after the 1DXIII release...it would cannibalize their 1DXIII sales and would be a second niche body that would only appeal to a select few; even fewer when you take into account that you would have to get the sports shooters to switch to an EVF and do they even have a sports R mount lens (100mm-400mm) in their lineup yet? Nothing makes sense about releasing an R1 so soon.

What makes sense to me is leaving the RP for their entry level FF until a refresh next year and adding a high resolution option for landscape photographers the same year.

I'm sticking to my original predictions list and adding dates and prices


R1 - 1DX Mirrorless Replacement (2023+)
R5 - 5D Replacement (2020) ($4999)
R5S - 5DS Replacement (2021) ($5200)
R6 - Video focused body but with less resolution to protect the R5 (2020) ($2499)
R8 - Entry level FF Canon Mirrorless (aka RP Mark II) (2021) ($1499)

$4999 for R5? lmao. $3999 is much more realistic.

 

[joestopper]

I love these threads. It's like telling a six-year-old that Santa is going to bring him something special. All of a sudden wishes go wild. Then when the actual present arrives, we will get a bunch of people whining about how Canon didn't give them what they wanted.

Once the R5 and R6 are announced, we will have a much better idea of where the holes in the lineup might be. Looking at the rumored specs for the R5 and R6, it doesn't appear that either one really works as a replacement for the RP or the R.

If they don't keep the R and RP in the lineup, then it seems logical that the new bodies will be designed to fill the price points that these cameras currently meet. Forum dwellers get caught up in specs, but Canon is more interested in hitting specific price points.

I am wondering whether there will be any future FF R body without IBIS? My guess would be no. While IBIS would be optional on M bodies. What are the guesses?

 

[AEWest]

I hope I'm wrong, but with those specs it makes sense. Also, I don't think those prices will last long, they will be the early adopter fee; but for all others you'd have to be willing to wait at least 6 months to benefit from a price drop. And actually, the price for entry will be far higher if you want to go with native R mount lenses. Otherwise you are stuck with EF lenses and the adapter.

Another pricing clue, although I'm not sure how accurate it is; I've seen the lensrentals rental price compared to the 1DXIII's rental price several times now, below is a quote from fstoppers:

Pricing remains a mystery. Major retailers say “Coming Soon.” Interestingly, however, Lens Rentals has it listed at $271 per week (hat tip to docsmith). Given that the 1D X Mark III is $347 per week, a little bit of math puts the R5’s retail price a shade over $5,000. So, $4,999?

I do not think the Sony comparison however is entirely fair, I've picked up a couple of Sony's in the retail stores just to hold them and to try to see what all the fuss is about....the build quality, ergonomics, menu system, color science, etc. etc. is night and day vs. a Canon. So yes..Ford makes tons of cars that go from point a to point b, but that does not mean that BMW needs to compete with them on price.

I don't think you can use the rental rate to estimate the price in this instance. The reason is scarcity: very few R5s will be available at launch but Lens Rentals has likely been promised some of those. So they will take advantage of the huge demand and get away with a high rental rate. Once supply catches up, I would expect the rental rate to fall.

 

[AEWest]

I am wondering whether there will be any future FF R body without IBIS? My guess would be no. While IBIS would be optional on M bodies. What are the guesses?

I believe the base model RP or successor won't ever have IBIS to help keep price down.

 

[koenkooi]

I don't think you can use the rental rate to estimate the price in this instance. The reason is scarcity: very few R5s will be available at launch but Lens Rentals has likely been promised some of those. So they will take advantage of the huge demand and get away with a high rental rate. Once supply catches up, I would expect the rental rate to fall.

Roger from Lensrentals has said on DPreview that that rate is just a placeholder.