Ultrawide Zoom from Canon?

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Not every lens is going to be perfect for every photographer.

For me, if I looked at the full frame ultra-wide zooms that have come up in this posting so far:

17-40 4 - Size and weight are great, accepts filters, f4, soft unless stopped down. I've seen a lot of great images taken with this lens, but nobody "loves" it. The softness overall and the softer corners keep me from jumping on it. The price is great though, especially when there is a special at the refurb store.

16-35 2.8 II - Bigger and heavier than the 17-40, reportedly not a whole lot sharper, a lot more expensive, but it does accept filers, and it's fast. If I found a good deal on a used copy, I'd give it a try, otherwise the one stop difference doesn't matter that much to me (with the emphasis on "to me").

16-35 4 IS - About as big and heavy as the 2.8. Sharp across the frame. I don't really see the need for IS on this wide of a lens for how I would use it, and I wish there was a smaller lighter version without IS but with the same sharpness, but that doesn't exist. It's not cheap, but not crazy expensive. Something I will consider when it shows up in the refurb store.

Nikon 14-24 - The biggest and heaviest of these lenses. Sharp and fast. Bulbous front end won't take filters without giant filter system. Expensive. If this was a native Canon lens, it's not something that I would be thinking about anyway. For me, the cost, size, and filter situation outweigh its strengths.

Do I want Canon to come out with new fancy ultra-wide zooms? Sure. The advances they make on one product seem to make their way into others, and it could possibly lower the price of their other zooms. Would I buy it for myself? Probably not. I doubt I could afford it. And if it's huge and heavy and can't take normal filters, I don't have a whole lot of use for it. On my radar right now in this category is the 16-35 4, when it goes on refurb. There's a small chance I'd pick up one of the older lenses used or refurb at the right price. Until then, I'll make due with my Rokinon 14.

I'm not sure how many more lenses they would actually sell if Canon came out with their version of the 14-24 2.8. I'd have to imagine that it would be very similar to the Nikon. Yes, there are always people on boards like this clamoring for such a lens, but I think that in real world numbers that wouldn't really be that many sales for Canon. Maybe I'm wrong. It's happened once or twice.
 
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Dantana said:
Do I want Canon to come out with new fancy ultra-wide zooms? Sure. The advances they make on one product seem to make their way into others, and it could possibly lower the price of their other zooms. Would I buy it for myself? Probably not. I doubt I could afford it. And if it's huge and heavy and can't take normal filters, I don't have a whole lot of use for it. On my radar right now in this category is the 16-35 4, when it goes on refurb. There's a small chance I'd pick up one of the older lenses used or refurb at the right price. Until then, I'll make due with my Rokinon 14.

I'm not sure how many more lenses they would actually sell if Canon came out with their version of the 14-24 2.8. I'd have to imagine that it would be very similar to the Nikon. Yes, there are always people on boards like this clamoring for such a lens, but I think that in real world numbers that wouldn't really be that many sales for Canon. Maybe I'm wrong. It's happened once or twice.

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Exactly! I am in this exact situation. Using a Rokinon 14mm, hoping for a price drop on the 16-35/4 or refurb version of the same. I would love if Canon brings out a wider faster UWA zoom, but I am sure I won't be able to afford it for a while.
It is highly possible that many others are in this same situation, or in any case want a fast UWA to come out but won't commit to buying it for a while at least.


infared said:
"I'm sure many, including myself, will love to see such a lens." (So.... Are you just going to look at it?)
"However, how many will put their money where their mouth is?" (Do you always start conversations with challenges?)

So there is the answer to your snarky question, Infrared! I am not sure many will buy the lens right away even if they want it to come out, myself included. Not a challenge, but a valid question- will there be enough actual buyers?
Canon should have the numbers, considering they have a decent market sizing division. On hindsight we shall find out, when we either see a fast UWA from Canon or not.
 
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Ruined said:
I ended up selling my 16-35mm f/2.8L II because for low light events my recently acquired 24mm f/1.4L + 50mm f/1.2L on each camera delivered superior results. More light, lower iso, less post needed. I generally only used 16-35 on landscape stuff recently but even there I do 24mm more than 16mm.

However, if Canon delivered an optically revamped 16-35mm f/2.8L III I'd certainly take a look at it.

Told you, 24mm on FF is wide enough for indoor, wedding.

Anyways....24mm prime is an excellent lens. 24L f1.4 + 85L II on FF is a killer combo in low light. Mark my word, soon or later you will switch that 50L to 85L II or III.
 
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RLPhoto said:
I dont know what your smoking because even Roger Cicala agrees the 16-35 f/4L is so good the difference is negligible to the 14-24 in sharpness.

Wow!

Too bad not in light gathering or wide angle. ;)
But one out of three are not bad.

Yeah, but the 14-24 is not good at accepting ND filters or not being large and heavy. So I'd call it a draw between the two lenses overall. 2mm is not a deal killer for a wide angle landscape photo, the 16-35 has IS, and for where IS is not useful (moving people) 35mm top end is much preferable to 24mm.

If you really want light gathering + wide angle, Canon 24mm f/1.4L II will crush the 14-24 f/2.8. The places where you will most need light gathering (low light motion) you will probably be taking picture of people which is much more flattering at 24mm than 14mm due to perspective distortion, and f/1.4 lets in 4x as much light as f/2.8.

In summary, Canon EF 16-35mm f/4L IS + Canon EF 24mm f/1.4L II = killer wide angle combo, and only $600 more than the 14-24mm f/2.8 alone.
 
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Re: Ultrawide Canon?

DominoDude said:
Canonicon said:
When will Canon announce a fast ultrawide?

Nikon has the great 14-24mm f2.8.
Canon only a 16-35mm f2.8 that shows weakness at the borders and a slow f4 version.

Any chance for a Photokina announcement?

What about Canon's EF 14mm f/2.8L II USM? Not wide enough, or not fast enough?

I assume the lack of zoom would be the key problem with that prime. ;)
 
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Canonicon said:
When will Canon announce a fast ultrawide zoom?

Nikon has the great 14-24mm f2.8.
Canon only a 16-35mm f2.8 that shows weakness at the borders and a slow f4 version.

Any chance for a Photokina announcement?
Yes, there is a chance of a Photokina announcement, and the likelihood is somewhere between 0% and 100%.
 
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