Upgrading from 5DIII to 5DIV -- your probable reasons?
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Really????
Ummm since I got my 5D MK III, my 5D Mk II really is purely a second back up body or 2nd swap body for the lens I may want to use, but will use least
I will very likely sell my 5D MK II this summer, use my 7D MK II as my back up, though going from FF to crop is not ideal, and then can see 5D MK IV taking the bulk of the work and the 5D MK III collecting dust
I am expecting much improved AF more on par with 7D MK II or 1Dx II, and even if marginal improvement in DR and HIGH ISO, it is probably enough.
I think the bigger question to me is not 5D MK III vs D5 MK IV, it is 1Dx I vs 5D MK IV. I don't NEED the 5D MK IV, but I know I would enjoy it and likely get better images, so I can pick and choose and wait for that sale, perhaps Black Friday or something like that.
Ummm since I got my 5D MK III, my 5D Mk II really is purely a second back up body or 2nd swap body for the lens I may want to use, but will use least
I will very likely sell my 5D MK II this summer, use my 7D MK II as my back up, though going from FF to crop is not ideal, and then can see 5D MK IV taking the bulk of the work and the 5D MK III collecting dust
I am expecting much improved AF more on par with 7D MK II or 1Dx II, and even if marginal improvement in DR and HIGH ISO, it is probably enough.
I think the bigger question to me is not 5D MK III vs D5 MK IV, it is 1Dx I vs 5D MK IV. I don't NEED the 5D MK IV, but I know I would enjoy it and likely get better images, so I can pick and choose and wait for that sale, perhaps Black Friday or something like that.
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Have you ever shot under crappy stadium lighting? Two words: flicker reduction.
That alone was worth the price of upgrading from the 7D to the 7D Mark II. Going from having about 7 out of every 10 frames ruined by the differences in light from one side of the frame to the other in terms of brightness and color, seeing color temp vary from one side of the frame to the other, seeing it vary by as much as 500-800K (also on the M <---> G axis) from one frame to the next, getting really ugly narrow spectrum light at the darkest point, and having the overall exposure vary by as much as two stops from peak to trough in the lighting cycle, to having every single frame look the same in terms of brightness and color is transformative.
Where shooting raw and custom post-processing of each individual frame was needed to get color and exposure remotely right, now the results are consistent enough to do batch processing or even shoot straight to JPEG and be able to use a much higher percentage of the frames taken.
Not only that, but since the camera times the shutter release with the peak of each light cycle I can now shoot at 2/3-1 stop faster under the same lights! Where I used to shoot at 1/500, f/2.8, ISO 2500 I can now shoot at 1/1000, f/2.8, ISO 2500, or 1/640, f/2.8, ISO 1600, etc. This also increases the keeper rate.
The much improved AF of the 7D Mark II compared to the 7D made it usable, but I'd love to have this feature in a FF body without springing $6K for the soon to be released 1D X Mark II. As improved as the AF in the 7D Mark II is over the 7D, it's still not as consistent from shot-to-shot as the 5D Mark III. The narrower baseline of the APS-C sized mirror and PDAF array limits it in terms of accuracy compared to its FF counterparts.
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Flicker reduction. That's what I was thinking. I can use a low light body and prefer full frame. The 5 series being more affordable is a Canon bread and butter body. I trust they'll get it right and buyers will be quite satisfied.
That alone was worth the price of upgrading from the 7D to the 7D Mark II. Going from having about 7 out of every 10 frames ruined by the differences in light from one side of the frame to the other in terms of brightness and color, seeing color temp vary from one side of the frame to the other, seeing it vary by as much as 500-800K (also on the M <---> G axis) from one frame to the next, getting really ugly narrow spectrum light at the darkest point, and having the overall exposure vary by as much as two stops from peak to trough in the lighting cycle, to having every single frame look the same in terms of brightness and color is transformative.
Where shooting raw and custom post-processing of each individual frame was needed to get color and exposure remotely right, now the results are consistent enough to do batch processing or even shoot straight to JPEG and be able to use a much higher percentage of the frames taken.
Not only that, but since the camera times the shutter release with the peak of each light cycle I can now shoot at 2/3-1 stop faster under the same lights! Where I used to shoot at 1/500, f/2.8, ISO 2500 I can now shoot at 1/1000, f/2.8, ISO 2500, or 1/640, f/2.8, ISO 1600, etc. This also increases the keeper rate.
The much improved AF of the 7D Mark II compared to the 7D made it usable, but I'd love to have this feature in a FF body without springing $6K for the soon to be released 1D X Mark II. As improved as the AF in the 7D Mark II is over the 7D, it's still not as consistent from shot-to-shot as the 5D Mark III. The narrower baseline of the APS-C sized mirror and PDAF array limits it in terms of accuracy compared to its FF counterparts.
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Flicker reduction. That's what I was thinking. I can use a low light body and prefer full frame. The 5 series being more affordable is a Canon bread and butter body. I trust they'll get it right and buyers will be quite satisfied.
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dilbert said:
Here's a thumbnail of shot taken with a 1DS Mk III that was starting to play up - notice the lighter band down the LHS (in shots taken in landscape orientation, the lighter band appeared at the top of photos). A month later the shutter failed completely - the camera would take black photos regardless of settings, and when I locked the mirror up, the shutter was permanently obscuring the sensor - it wouldn't retract back to its "resting" position.
I'm sure other shutter failures are more sudden, but unevenly exposed images like this one can be one indicator of an impending failure.
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d.
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I have the 5D classic, so I have many reasons for upgrading. A lot have happened since my last big investment.
I shoot a lot of macro and a tilt screen is mandatory. Wifi is also important. I fear the price for this camera and I probably have to wait a long time since I also will compare it with the 6D upgrade.
I shoot a lot of macro and a tilt screen is mandatory. Wifi is also important. I fear the price for this camera and I probably have to wait a long time since I also will compare it with the 6D upgrade.
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I'm not considering it until it is out for inspection.
The 5D MK III is such a fine camera that it would take some big time improvements for me to justify an upgrade.
The absolute only thing that would interest me is a really huge jump in dynamic range.
I have the 5DS R and the 5D MK III is a great backup for that as is. The 5D MK III also acts as a very good backup for the 7D MK II since it also does very well with wildlife.
I really like having the same battery system for all my cameras. If they change to another battery type for the 5D MK IV, it's certainly not going to encourage upgrading on my part.
The 5D MK III is such a fine camera that it would take some big time improvements for me to justify an upgrade.
The absolute only thing that would interest me is a really huge jump in dynamic range.
I have the 5DS R and the 5D MK III is a great backup for that as is. The 5D MK III also acts as a very good backup for the 7D MK II since it also does very well with wildlife.
I really like having the same battery system for all my cameras. If they change to another battery type for the 5D MK IV, it's certainly not going to encourage upgrading on my part.
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this is a good thread I was just thinking about that yesterday. I went from the 7D mark 1 to the 5D mark III. It was a no brainer from a standpoint of IQ and resolution as well s full frame goodness.
I updated from M1 to the M3 canon mirrorless because it was resolution change, Wifi, add'l features like built in flash and tilting LCD and EVF option, as well as redesigned grip.
Likely the 5D mark iV would offer similar boost in features.
Well here goes:
1) Focus point illuminator "fix". I call it a fix since it used to remain illuminated but they removed it!
2) Wifi. This makes up for lack of a tilting LCD (which I DON'T want because I want it rugged) since you can use phone or tablet as a viewfinder. Makes sense.
3) High seed sec for shutter. 1/250th at least.
4) "erase range" for erasing image son card. My M3 has it but not the 5D!
5) focus peaking with ADJUSTABLE peak settings. I noticed the fuji's and Sony's have a higher "clip" than the canon M3's mirrorless focus peaking. the former clips in and out of Peak more quickly and allow you to "snap" into focus more visibly. This should be adjustable for the user.
6) latest and greatest, if not better, live view focusing via sensor. whatever canon calls it, the shift pixel thingie.. make it a whole different focusing option that video users can use..
7) adjustable/removable focus screens. with the new manual zeiss lens, manual focus lenses should be accommodated.
8) 1dX level weather sealing. The 5D should just be a smaller 1dx when it comes to weather sealing. Period.
9) have the 1Dx and the 5ds/r's image based intelligent tracking sensor that uses the dedicated processor.
10) 1 cfast and 1 Cf. The Cfast is so that buffer limits ar less of a limit since it can right faster to card.
11) make it 24 MP. then release the 50 MP version with better electronic shutter to lessens cam shake as well as a sensor based stabilization to enable hand held shooting.
12) the usual sensor DR/high ISO improvements that come with each sensor revision.
13) usb 3 out for tethered shooting,
I think that covers it.
I updated from M1 to the M3 canon mirrorless because it was resolution change, Wifi, add'l features like built in flash and tilting LCD and EVF option, as well as redesigned grip.
Likely the 5D mark iV would offer similar boost in features.
Well here goes:
1) Focus point illuminator "fix". I call it a fix since it used to remain illuminated but they removed it!
2) Wifi. This makes up for lack of a tilting LCD (which I DON'T want because I want it rugged) since you can use phone or tablet as a viewfinder. Makes sense.
3) High seed sec for shutter. 1/250th at least.
4) "erase range" for erasing image son card. My M3 has it but not the 5D!
5) focus peaking with ADJUSTABLE peak settings. I noticed the fuji's and Sony's have a higher "clip" than the canon M3's mirrorless focus peaking. the former clips in and out of Peak more quickly and allow you to "snap" into focus more visibly. This should be adjustable for the user.
6) latest and greatest, if not better, live view focusing via sensor. whatever canon calls it, the shift pixel thingie.. make it a whole different focusing option that video users can use..
7) adjustable/removable focus screens. with the new manual zeiss lens, manual focus lenses should be accommodated.
8) 1dX level weather sealing. The 5D should just be a smaller 1dx when it comes to weather sealing. Period.
9) have the 1Dx and the 5ds/r's image based intelligent tracking sensor that uses the dedicated processor.
10) 1 cfast and 1 Cf. The Cfast is so that buffer limits ar less of a limit since it can right faster to card.
11) make it 24 MP. then release the 50 MP version with better electronic shutter to lessens cam shake as well as a sensor based stabilization to enable hand held shooting.
12) the usual sensor DR/high ISO improvements that come with each sensor revision.
13) usb 3 out for tethered shooting,
I think that covers it.
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I've had to sell the 5Diii, 7Dii and a host of other stuff to fund the purchase of a 1DXii. So when I can afford it I would like the 5Div as a second body. We can assume it will have improved DR, high iso and af tracking performance so for me it would be about slightly faster frame rate (8+ fps) and say 24MP.
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d said:
The first shutter fail on the 5DIII was just a total catastrophic, no action fail. The second showed as a slightly diagonal shadow across the bottom of the frame, intermittent. It was small enough not to notice while shooting commissioned work (yikes!). I had been shooting with the 16-35 f/2.8II and my first thought was that the lens shade had unlocked and twisted, casting a vignette/shadow. But it varied one frame to the next, so obviously not the hood getting in the way. Luckily I was able to deliver the job ok with a mix of good frames and cropped frames or Content Aware Fill repairs. Damn that Content Aware Fill is a useful tool for all sorts of things. FYI if you're working on an area at the edge of frame, it works best on a flattened image/layer. No idea why, it just does.
Shutters? I've never replaced a shutter on a 1-Series despite shutter counts up in the several hundred thousands on a 1D MkIIn and my just retired 1D MkIV. What a great camera! My 5D classic which I gave to an assistant is still going, all-original with over 500k clicks to it's name. It's probably just a matter of luck to some extent.
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Reasons for upgrading:
1. dynamic range
2. dynamic range
3. dynamic range
That about sums it up. Canon is 3 years late to the DR party... time to shape up or ship out.
1. dynamic range
2. dynamic range
3. dynamic range
That about sums it up. Canon is 3 years late to the DR party... time to shape up or ship out.
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Hard to justify with the 5DS(R) available for resolution.
The 5D M3 is my walk around camera so not sure if I will upgrade. But I want to - if the market goes up enough, I'll upgrade and get a nice new shiny toy.
The 5D M3 is my walk around camera so not sure if I will upgrade. But I want to - if the market goes up enough, I'll upgrade and get a nice new shiny toy.
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I would want it to be one notch up on a little bit everything. Improved noise levels with on chip ADC would be nice, i.e. get a cleaner signal. A bit more resolution and a bit higher framerate would be appreciated. I am overall very happy with my 5D mk III.
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romanr74 said:
A slightly better 5D M3 will not cut it for me. The competition is 5DS (R), 1DX M2, and the Sony A7R II w/ meta bones adapter.
Higher resolution, higher frame rate, higher DR (and resolution).
To be competitive the 5DM4 would need to address at least 2 of the 3 challenges, perhaps improve on all 3 fronts.
A 32-36 MP camera with 8 FPS and DR similar to the current 1DX would be a winner. Not sure if it would be priced at $3599 (US) perhaps a bit more.
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Michael Clark
Now we see through a glass, darkly...
Memdroid said:Don't forget the most powerful custom function: Assigning the AI Servo- OneShot switch on the AF-ON button. The 5d3 was missing this and so did I
Just disable AF with the 1/2 shutter press, set AF to AI Servo using the AF-On button. Push the AF-ON button and you're in AI Servo. Release the AF-ON button and you've just locked focus.
Based on various comments from Chuck Westfall, One Shot is no more accurate than Servo unless you're in extremely low light where the slightly longer sampling time of One Shot can make a difference.
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5D MkII and 5D MkIII both have some mileage on the clock,
and 5D MkII does not deliver state of the art high ISO
performance anymore.
Waiting for the exact specs of the 5D MkIV to decide wether
to buy two 5D MkIV or one 5D MkIV and one 5DS each.
5D MkII has a defective USB port. Camera still works and
will be used until the shutter dies. Won't be repaired after
that, wouldn't be economical.
5D MkIII has a defective HDMI terminal. Will wait for the
shutter to die and then repair, and for the time being pass
it on to my wife.
So, no particular reason to upgrade other than replacing
worn equipment and keeping up to date with state of the
art quality.
and 5D MkII does not deliver state of the art high ISO
performance anymore.
Waiting for the exact specs of the 5D MkIV to decide wether
to buy two 5D MkIV or one 5D MkIV and one 5DS each.
5D MkII has a defective USB port. Camera still works and
will be used until the shutter dies. Won't be repaired after
that, wouldn't be economical.
5D MkIII has a defective HDMI terminal. Will wait for the
shutter to die and then repair, and for the time being pass
it on to my wife.
So, no particular reason to upgrade other than replacing
worn equipment and keeping up to date with state of the
art quality.
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