Video Editing Work Flow?

[eninja]

I am beginner on taking video / film making / videography (i dont know if these terms can be use interchangeably).

After recording a video using my 6D. The SD card shows .mov file.

1. What is usually the next step? should I convert it to other format prior to video editing?
2. What are the usual video editing that needs to be done? cutting/rejecting portions of the video?
3. What is the usual final format (for still, its jpeg).

Thanks.

 

[cinema-dslr]

I would suggest that you first do a little research of your own on google..etc or even go tru past posts on this forum before starting a new post..tell me how to edit....
It can come off as a bit lazy.

1, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=canon+6d+how+to+edit+mov
2, Are you serious??? http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+to+edit+my+first+movie
3, final format depends on the delivery platform ..web/DVD/Bluray..etc.. so there is no oneoff usual final format.

 

[mkabi]

I would suggest that you first do a little research of your own on google..etc or even go tru past posts on this forum before starting a new post..tell me how to edit....
It can come off as a bit lazy.

1, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=canon+6d+how+to+edit+mov
2, Are you serious??? http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+to+edit+my+first+movie
3, final format depends on the delivery platform ..web/DVD/Bluray..etc.. so there is no oneoff usual final format.

+1
But... Its possible that eninja can be a total newbie to video.
Nonetheless, here is my response:

1. You can edit what you have without any transformation. But, you will encounter a lot of lag and/or a lot rendering. You probably benifit by transforming into a edit friendly format like Pro Res, but its still going to be .mov

2. Yes, chop, reject, piece together video, add transitions, effects.

3. The final format can remain .mov... Let the DVD/Blu-Ray software transform the video as it records it to DVD.

To the newbie, Im sure none of the above makes any sense either if you are an extreme newbie. Do you think that .mov files are like .cr2 files? Its not... You can play .mov files on QuickTime, .mov files are like Jpeg...
I guess MOV is more friendly on a mac as opposed to a PC.

To best explain number 2, watch a movie or even a music video, watch it carefully for content, then watch it again for how often the scene changes, time the scene change too. Then look at how often the angle changes within a scene... Also look at different transitions and effects. There is also various color grading too. But overall, it should tell you why you need to edit, its really a filmmaking process. Not for your average video about your son/daughter's basketball game.

 

[cayenne]

I am beginner on taking video / film making / videography (i dont know if these terms can be use interchangeably).

After recording a video using my 6D. The SD card shows .mov file.

1. What is usually the next step? should I convert it to other format prior to video editing?
2. What are the usual video editing that needs to be done? cutting/rejecting portions of the video?
3. What is the usual final format (for still, its jpeg).

Thanks.

Currently, I bring all my video onto my working and backup hard drive with Lightroom, I just do all my media through LR.

I then, open up Davinci Resolve and bring all the footage in there, I've been using the version 11 interaction with the Xrite passport color utility...and in Resolve, I use this to set and correct all my basic WB.

I shoot with the Marvels Cinestyle 'flat' profile, and this one step on each clip makes them start to really pop and look good for rest of workflow.

I set the WB as mentioned above...I then render out what is basically a 'proxy' file in prores and XML which I bring into FCPX. I do my edits...when pretty much locked, I often send back the XML to Resolve, but UNCHECK the import files part, so that Resolve will use the edited information, but work with the original files.

I"ll do my color correction, grading, noise reduction (Neat plugin)...and render this out..and do XML too.

I"ll bring this back into FCPX, finish up sound..and if I have certain clips I want to do motion graphics on, I'll pull that clip into After Effects, do my magic there and render out, and add into the Library/Project in FCPX...I finalize things and render out my movie

Of course there are variations depending on the shoot or what needs I have for a project, but most are my own things....so, that is the general workflow I follow.

I am trying to work Pluraleyes in there too...to help sync when using external audio....in addition to the Rode video mic I have mounted on camera.

I'm shooting with a Canon 5D3.....editing on a mac.

Soon, I hope to start teaching myself Premier and see how I'd fit that into the workflow.

But I start off bringing things into Davinci Resolve (Lite..the free version).

HTH,

cayenne

 

[Khnnielsen]

You can't learn how to edit by reading the forums - but here is my workflow anyway.

I use Avid Media Composer, and it take ages to import .mov files. So I usually transfer the files to an external harddrive and AMA link all my footage. If you have a machine that is strong enough, then it is really efficient way of doing things.

I use Avid's own colourcorrection tool, which is also quite good in my opnion. If the video is noisy, I use a plugin called Neat Video to clean up the footage.

Export setting vary - depending on the client's wishes.

 

[eninja]

I would suggest that you first do a little research of your own on google..etc or even go tru past posts on this forum before starting a new post..tell me how to edit....
It can come off as a bit lazy.

1, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=canon+6d+how+to+edit+mov
2, Are you serious??? http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+to+edit+my+first+movie
3, final format depends on the delivery platform ..web/DVD/Bluray..etc.. so there is no oneoff usual final format.

I understand your point. I look thru and search for few threads, I also tried googling, there is more ads than info. One problem is, I don't know what keywords to used. I don't even know the terms used in video.

Back in secondary, I started reading books like photoshop, I learn about making selection, using layer. Learned about exposure setting on G12, advantage and disadvantage of each exposure settings. Got my 6D, and learned shoot raw, edit sharpness, contrast, etc.

Video suddenly came in. I decided to start on editing. If I know usual editing process. I will know what hardware I need, I know mp4, avi, but why ....mov???? If I can recall correctly, I got a lot of bad experience with .mov, like so cheap its not working and not playing so well.

Thanks. I don't know how to ask the correct question. So I started this thread.
A lot of thanks..

 

[eninja]

A lot of thanks.

I will try to search on all of your inputs.

This is the final video, I want to end up with. Paid professional video, and like all of you guys, I'm a one man team.
We don't want the final video to be choppy or the voice like too close or too far from someone's mouth.

https://youtu.be/h4xF2qtMuLk

Glidecam is a must???!
External mic is a must???!

I got a 6D and will have 70D soon. I may set 70D, due to easy control via touch screen.
I am looking for a Lens: 24mm equivalent, got IS, and good at still at the same time. Couldn't find at the moment. and Less barrel distortion at 24mm.

 

[cinema-dslr]

eninja
i would suggest the sigma 18-35 F1,8 art
It's a wonderful lens that will give you more flexibility than a 24 prime for video work.

The 24-105L . is also a good video workhorse

 

[Besisika]

Currently, I bring all my video onto my working and backup hard drive with Lightroom, I just do all my media through LR.

I then, open up Davinci Resolve and bring all the footage in there, I've been using the version 11 interaction with the Xrite passport color utility...and in Resolve, I use this to set and correct all my basic WB.

I shoot with the Marvels Cinestyle 'flat' profile, and this one step on each clip makes them start to really pop and look good for rest of workflow.

That is way too advanced for a newbie, my opinion, but thanks for sharing, it is clear.
I haven't moved to 11 yet. From a hardware requirement is there a big difference between the 11 and 10?
By the way, the Marvels Cinestyle is indeed the way to go. I will have to try the Xrite passport once I am with 11.

 

[preppyak]

Thanks. I don't know how to ask the correct question. So I started this thread.
A lot of thanks..

Alright, so lets go through some basic questions.

1. Mac or PC
2. Do you already have editing software? If so, what is it?
3. What type of video are you shooting (of your travels? of events? of your kids? of sports?)
4. Where would you be putting the video? (DVD? Youtube or Vimeo? Just on your computer?)

Once we have that info, we can walk you through a workflow. It will be heavily dependent on the editing software you have (some you need to convert, some you dont), and where you are putting that final video.

For example, for work, I edit on Macs with Final Cut. I convert all my footage to ProRes, edit, and export usually to Youtube or Vimeo. Both have standard settings (h.264, 5000kpbs, etc) and I tend to export at 720p. For stuff outside work, especially if I just use a GoPro, I might just edit in GoPro Studio with the original files. Simpler workflow because it doesnt need to be complex. So, it depends on what you have.

 

[preppyak]

Paid professional video, and like all of you guys, I'm a one man team.
We don't want the final video to be choppy or the voice like too close or too far from someone's mouth.

https://youtu.be/h4xF2qtMuLk

Ok, so a lot of this is fairly basic editing. 90% of that finished product is dependent on how well they shot their footage. They are doing fairly simple cut edits, their video isnt choppy because they shot it smoothly.

Glidecam is a must???!
External mic is a must???!

I got a 6D and will have 70D soon. I may set 70D, due to easy control via touch screen.
I am looking for a Lens: 24mm equivalent, got IS, and good at still at the same time. Couldn't find at the moment. and Less barrel distortion at 24mm.

Yes on external mic (Rode makes a good $100ish one), Glidecam will depend on your shooting style. Something to stabilize off your shoulder is probably worth it. Also looks like they do a decent amount of tripod based shooting.

As for your lenses, IS will be required. I wouldnt consider any lens that doesnt have it, as that is a run-and-gun style of shooting, and you dont want to spend time stabilizing in post.

Lots of IS lens options from Canon (24, 28, 35, etc), and there are 3rd party options that would be good as well. Something like the new 16-35L IS would be a good lens for both cameras; it'd be a good walk-around lens on the 70D for that style of shooting, and a nice wide angle for your 6D. Combo'd with a prime or two for closeups and you'd be off to a good start.

 

[cayenne]

Currently, I bring all my video onto my working and backup hard drive with Lightroom, I just do all my media through LR.

I then, open up Davinci Resolve and bring all the footage in there, I've been using the version 11 interaction with the Xrite passport color utility...and in Resolve, I use this to set and correct all my basic WB.

I shoot with the Marvels Cinestyle 'flat' profile, and this one step on each clip makes them start to really pop and look good for rest of workflow.

That is way too advanced for a newbie, my opinion, but thanks for sharing, it is clear.
I haven't moved to 11 yet. From a hardware requirement is there a big difference between the 11 and 10?
By the way, the Marvels Cinestyle is indeed the way to go. I will have to try the Xrite passport once I am with 11.

I consider myself a NOOB myself...I'm just adamant about trying to learn and teach myself. But I certainly don't do this professionally, at this point, it is still a labor of love.

I got my 5D3 about 2years ago...my first DSLR and video camera really, so I'm just self taught since then, learned a lot on CR here too from day 1.

 

[cayenne]

Thanks. I don't know how to ask the correct question. So I started this thread.
A lot of thanks..

Alright, so lets go through some basic questions.

1. Mac or PC
2. Do you already have editing software? If so, what is it?
3. What type of video are you shooting (of your travels? of events? of your kids? of sports?)
4. Where would you be putting the video? (DVD? Youtube or Vimeo? Just on your computer?)

Once we have that info, we can walk you through a workflow. It will be heavily dependent on the editing software you have (some you need to convert, some you dont), and where you are putting that final video.

For example, for work, I edit on Macs with Final Cut. I convert all my footage to ProRes, edit, and export usually to Youtube or Vimeo. Both have standard settings (h.264, 5000kpbs, etc) and I tend to export at 720p. For stuff outside work, especially if I just use a GoPro, I might just edit in GoPro Studio with the original files. Simpler workflow because it doesnt need to be complex. So, it depends on what you have.

Curious...why not 1080p instead of the lower 720p?

YouTube and vimeo both take full 1080p....quite readily.


cayenne

 

[Khnnielsen]

Thanks. I don't know how to ask the correct question. So I started this thread.
A lot of thanks..

Alright, so lets go through some basic questions.

1. Mac or PC
2. Do you already have editing software? If so, what is it?
3. What type of video are you shooting (of your travels? of events? of your kids? of sports?)
4. Where would you be putting the video? (DVD? Youtube or Vimeo? Just on your computer?)

Once we have that info, we can walk you through a workflow. It will be heavily dependent on the editing software you have (some you need to convert, some you dont), and where you are putting that final video.

For example, for work, I edit on Macs with Final Cut. I convert all my footage to ProRes, edit, and export usually to Youtube or Vimeo. Both have standard settings (h.264, 5000kpbs, etc) and I tend to export at 720p. For stuff outside work, especially if I just use a GoPro, I might just edit in GoPro Studio with the original files. Simpler workflow because it doesnt need to be complex. So, it depends on what you have.

Curious...why not 1080p instead of the lower 720p?

YouTube and vimeo both take full 1080p....quite readily.


cayenne

I obviously can't answer the question on his behalf, but I also export to 720p sometimes.

In my case it is because my clients don't use something like Youtube as their streaming solution. In this case, a 1080p video would require more bandwidth, which is more expensive. If you are talking about 3000 videos, it can make a difference, when the video-host provider send the bill.

 

[eninja]

eninja
i would suggest the sigma 18-35 F1,8 art
It's a wonderful lens that will give you more flexibility than a 24 prime for video work.

The 24-105L . is also a good video workhorse

Hi,

But 17-55 f2.8 IS is better suited for run-and-gun style.
I was thinking a lot about 15-85 IS. For 70D.

 

[eninja]

Thanks. I don't know how to ask the correct question. So I started this thread.
A lot of thanks..

Alright, so lets go through some basic questions.

1. Mac or PC
2. Do you already have editing software? If so, what is it?
3. What type of video are you shooting (of your travels? of events? of your kids? of sports?)
4. Where would you be putting the video? (DVD? Youtube or Vimeo? Just on your computer?)

Once we have that info, we can walk you through a workflow. It will be heavily dependent on the editing software you have (some you need to convert, some you dont), and where you are putting that final video.

For example, for work, I edit on Macs with Final Cut. I convert all my footage to ProRes, edit, and export usually to Youtube or Vimeo. Both have standard settings (h.264, 5000kpbs, etc) and I tend to export at 720p. For stuff outside work, especially if I just use a GoPro, I might just edit in GoPro Studio with the original files. Simpler workflow because it doesnt need to be complex. So, it depends on what you have.

1. PC
2. I don't have editing software yet. Still looking on the market. I need something that could "cut the film", "piece together" and "multiplex in some music and voice" and could "sync audio"
- a nice editing software for beginner (not to advance) is a good place to start learning.
3. This kind of video: https://youtu.be/h4xF2qtMuLk
4. Online Quality Viewing? any online site that can play high quality clip. -> does this refer to 1080p usually? some website I know only play HD (not full HD).
Is HD quality good enough to show sharp photos??
What online website can play high quality? then I can refer to as my baseline.

h.264 refers to mp4 format right?
mp4 format is good enough format for my local storage and back up? right?

Thanks.

 

[eninja]

Paid professional video, and like all of you guys, I'm a one man team.
We don't want the final video to be choppy or the voice like too close or too far from someone's mouth.

https://youtu.be/h4xF2qtMuLk

Ok, so a lot of this is fairly basic editing. 90% of that finished product is dependent on how well they shot their footage. They are doing fairly simple cut edits, their video isnt choppy because they shot it smoothly.

Glidecam is a must???!
External mic is a must???!

I got a 6D and will have 70D soon. I may set 70D, due to easy control via touch screen.
I am looking for a Lens: 24mm equivalent, got IS, and good at still at the same time. Couldn't find at the moment. and Less barrel distortion at 24mm.

Yes on external mic (Rode makes a good $100ish one), Glidecam will depend on your shooting style. Something to stabilize off your shoulder is probably worth it. Also looks like they do a decent amount of tripod based shooting.

As for your lenses, IS will be required. I wouldnt consider any lens that doesnt have it, as that is a run-and-gun style of shooting, and you dont want to spend time stabilizing in post.

Lots of IS lens options from Canon (24, 28, 35, etc), and there are 3rd party options that would be good as well. Something like the new 16-35L IS would be a good lens for both cameras; it'd be a good walk-around lens on the 70D for that style of shooting, and a nice wide angle for your 6D. Combo'd with a prime or two for closeups and you'd be off to a good start.

I think I will dedicate 70D for video. The swivel screen and touch screen will make it easier. Save the 6D for my still.

True, 90% of the final product be base on how well did I shoot it. Means, I must give priority to hardware first, then software. I need stabilize set up, mic with monitor output (headphone jack), hope i can look for cheap one.

 

[eninja]

I got one good question.

Lets say I want to use external audio recorder.

It is possible to remove audio component of .mov file, is it? (never mind I can google for this)

If YES, wow.. they can actually do that..

This thought just open my imagination, that the .mov is actually a container, with different data inside, and a "timing driver" much like a "director" of a movie coordinates the synchronization of data (audio, video, maybe other things unknown to me, as well).

If YES, are we dealing with different file like .psd file for photoshop to save all these environment data.

 

[mkabi]

1. PC
2. I don't have editing software yet. Still looking on the market. I need something that could "cut the film", "piece together" and "multiplex in some music and voice" and could "sync audio"
- a nice editing software for beginner (not to advance) is a good place to start learning.
3. This kind of video: https://youtu.be/h4xF2qtMuLk
4. Online Quality Viewing? any online site that can play high quality clip. -> does this refer to 1080p usually? some website I know only play HD (not full HD).
Is HD quality good enough to show sharp photos??
What online website can play high quality? then I can refer to as my baseline.

h.264 refers to mp4 format right?
mp4 format is good enough format for my local storage and back up? right?

Thanks.

With PC, you would go with Adobe Premiere or Sony Vegas, I hear all the professionals prefer Premier, but don't take my word for it.

Whatever you choose just don't go for beginner and find a cheap video editing software, and then later want to switch to something more advance only to relearn the software. All video editing is relatively the same, its 1 to n video tracks or timelines; you just cut, chop and paste, crop, rotate, zoom, color correct, etc.
Same with audio track, you may want to adjust levels so its mastered - not clipping. Multi-layer the audio tracks so it sounds natural, or isolate so that the audience can focus on a particular sound like foot steps.

There are a bunch of video tutorials on YouTube for newcomers.

As for "Online Quality Video," I prefer Vimeo over YouTube (in terms of quality) but if you want more viewers, then YouTube is the way to go...

h.264 is a codec, and all current models of Canon cameras record with that codec.
But the end file is a MOV file. Pro Res is a friendlier version and its easier to work with compared to h.264, but it too is going to be MOV file. All these are really MAC friendly. For you, download QuickTime so you can view your files. You may want to transform your MOV files that are PC and/or whatever your video editing software finds to be friendly. DnXHD is another format like Pro Res... look up the benefits of one over the other.

I got one good question.

Lets say I want to use external audio recorder.

It is possible to remove audio component of .mov file, is it? (never mind I can google for this)

If YES, wow.. they can actually do that..

This thought just open my imagination, that the .mov is actually a container, with different data inside, and a "timing driver" much like a "director" of a movie coordinates the synchronization of data (audio, video, maybe other things unknown to me, as well).

If YES, are we dealing with different file like .psd file for photoshop to save all these environment data.

The Video editor will always separate video in one timeline and audio in another. Highlight the audio and press delete. Sometimes the audio is attached to the video and if you highlight one, it highlights both video and audio, this is where you need to learn the ins and outs of your editing software. For example, there are a couple of ways to unlinking the video from audio on Final Cut Pro, you can lock the video and press delete and only the audio will delete or there is something like an unlinking button to detach the two.

https://youtu.be/h4xF2qtMuLk

Glidecam is a must???!
External mic is a must???!

That's pretty decent. It could be better, only problem is that its always motionless or panned video.
Look into a slider and/or crane/jib. Because a Glidecam really needs a lot of practice, every lens has a different weight and you are really changing balance often.

You can also do handheld... the wider the lens the better, IS (Image Stabilization) also helps a lot. Shaky cam gives you a different perspective... but wide lens + IS + video editing can add IS... and it looks pretty decent.

External Mic is only needed if you want clean and clear audio...

 

[gsealy]

Surprisingly you are going to find that early on that audio is a bigger deal than you would think. People will watch a so-so video with good sound, but they won't watch any of a video if the audio is bad. Internal camera microphones are very poor and the wind screen is about worthless. We use audio recorded using the camera microphone only as a reference audio. So you will need to use an external microphone with great wind protection, and also keep it away from the lens motor. There's lots of alternatives, you will need to determine which is best for your situation.