What’s next from Canon?

[Exploreshootshare]

I would anticipate the 70-200 mm Z lens to be announced along side the R5 Mk2. I would also guess that the long rumored 200-500 mm f4 would be announced in parallel with the R1. Speculation on my part, but is logical.

It does make sense and believe you're right with your idea

 

[scyrene]

killing the mechanical shutter

Why is this desirable?

 

[chik0240]

I am going for a vacation this September and wanted to upgrade from the old trusty 5D3 for this.. have been eyeing on R5 ii with battery grip but if it can’t make it out on time with stock..

 

[scyrene]

Unbelievable, an RF 50mm f/1.4! That would be close to a real wonder, after maybe 20 years of speculation whether Canon would bring an optically improved upgrade in that classic "medium fast" 50mm section. The current EF 50mm f/1.4 hit the market in 1993 and really needs an overhaul. Optically, it is getting very soft in the edges wide open (though very sharp at f/5.6), and its micro USM drive is quite slow, plus it is not very reliably focusing wide open. I had this lens for some years and never was too happy with it.

The RF one will be an L, presumably? So won't satisfy some people who were waiting for it.

 

[Loswr]

I was very surprised the R7 didn't get a grip. So were many sales people at Canon Germany as was told. I believe it was due to some kind of shortage and Canon had to prioritize productions. Am really curious if the R7mkii will get a BG once it's going to be released.

It’s not like they just didn’t make a grip. The camera was designed to not take a grip. To me that suggests intent, not reaction to a shortage.

Or maybe it was a shortage…of grip buyers or of profits from selling grips, for APS-C cameras.

 

[John Wilde]

I cannot imagine the need/reason/etc. for that (as a R6 Mk II user).
But if there is some real big feature bang I could understand that.

I would much more see space for a FF vlogger body without EVF and small size.

The main target audience for an R6 III would probably be people who don't already have an R6 II.

That said, it would be nice if Canon did something different too. They don't have a no-EVF vlogging camera, and they don't have anything for the "retro fashion crowd".

 

[m4ndr4ke]

Why is this desirable?

How is it not? The electronic shutter is silent, vibration free, shoots faster and reacts quicker when you press the button. As long as the quality is on par with the mechanical, until we have global shutters on everything, I’d say electronic is the way to go.

 

[Loswr]

As long as the quality is on par with the mechanical, until we have global shutters on everything, I’d say electronic is the way to go.

Depends on how you define on par. Even though the R3 delivers the full 14-bit RAW with ES, the mechanical shutter still delivers better DR at ISOs lower than 1600, well over half a stop at base ISO.

Personally, that’s not enough to get me to use the mechanical shutter, but the difference is there.

 

[riker]

I'm still waiting for the RF 200mm f/4L Macro IS USM to get announced

Yess! It was on my wish list a few threads back
Although I'd probably prefer a 150/2 macro, so it's a sub-2.8 lens at the same time, making it more versatile than just a macro lens.

 

[yankiefrankie]

As I said, "Maybe you are right"

But as I said, too:
The R6 Mk II sensor is at least par or even better than the R3 one in some points.
I don't have data that the "speed" of the R3 sensor is so much better.
I only have my RL experience that the R6 Mk II is not limiting me in my shooting.
I prefer better IQ, DR and resolution over some "speed" features I didn't recognize to be limiting.
Do you have evidence? I really like to see...

I have both the R3 and R8 (same sensor as R6). In normal circumstances the R8 sensor is fast enough to not show rolling shutter. However, I shoot my kids baseball and softball (11-13 years old) and there is noticeable rolling shutter when capturing baseballs and softballs coming off bats. This rolling shutter is not present when shooting the same scene with the R3. The shots are usable, but the R3 shots are much nicer.

I for one would be very happy if the current R3 sensor makes it down to the R6 and R8 series. Someone here said that the R8 would never get it as it's canons cheap full frame, but I hope that's not the strategy. I hope the R8 series is Canon's version of the A7C series. Basically a compact version of the R6. For me, I love having a gripped body like the R3 and a compact body like the R8. These two cameras work really well together.

 

[riker]

Big Whites are softer on high res sensors than the 100-500.

I believe this is untrue. 600/4L II is clearly superior to the 100-500 on R5 and R7 as well.

 

[riker]

You guys are very forgiving. Sony's a1 does 50MP at 30 FPS accompanied by a 9.5MP viewfinder. And that is from 2021! And they have 60MP bodies since 2019.
I'm not satisfied with Canon's 24MP fetish at all.

 

[John Wilde]

I'm not satisfied with Canon's 24MP fetish at all.

The same MP as Sony's US$6,000 sports camera (Alpha 9 III) , except the R1 won't degrade image quality by using a global sensor.

 

[Loswr]

You guys are very forgiving.

Having something that meets your needs does not require forgiveness.

I'm not satisfied with Canon's 24MP fetish at all.

Probably shouldn’t buy one, then.

 

[SHAMwow]

I'm not super mad about mine, the iso noise at 6400 is bad and the AF focus in low light isn't great either and thats what sold me to buy it, all these reviews saying its AF was great in low light.

Comments like this perplex me. I don't want to offend, but what shots aren't you getting in low light with an R6? The noise at 6400 is fantastic. Stuff like this I can never figure out if its a troll, or the harsher reality of a lack of experience or skill in certain departments. And I know that comes off as rude, but I am generally curious what shots y'all are missing with an R6.

 

[koenkooi]

You guys are very forgiving. Sony's a1 does 50MP at 30 FPS accompanied by a 9.5MP viewfinder. And that is from 2021! And they have 60MP bodies since 2019.
I'm not satisfied with Canon's 24MP fetish at all.

That 30fps has a lot of asterisks. To get 30fps, you are forced to drop down to lossy RAW, if you want the full RAW, you can go only up to 20fps.
And 3rd party lenses make it go down to 12fps.

 

[DhlcadR6]

You guys are very forgiving. Sony's a1 does 50MP at 30 FPS accompanied by a 9.5MP viewfinder. And that is from 2021! And they have 60MP bodies since 2019.
I'm not satisfied with Canon's 24MP fetish at all.

Have you ever used/tried one, Sony piece of sh*t EVF have high MP on paper but drops resolution & fps in dark, and generally showing noises in the EVF+LCD during shooting.

 

[Loswr]

@koenkooi and @DhlcadR6, you guys need to get with the program. See, we’re supposed to forgive Sony for their asterisks and shortcomings. I expect better in the future.

 

[Exploreshootshare]

It’s not like they just didn’t make a grip. The camera was designed to not take a grip. To me that suggests intent, not reaction to a shortage.

Or maybe it was a shortage…of grip buyers or of profits from selling grips, for APS-C cameras.

Yes, it is intended. But why? Sale numbers or shortage? The R7 was released May 2022, the shortage problems started with the pandemic March 2020. Knowing certain parts won´t be available they might have chosen not to give it an BG option while still being in the design process of the camera.

Anyways, we might never know for sure. If the R7mkii doesn't get a BG, it's probably due to sale number (or people not whining enough about it). If it does get one, the shortage problems could've killed it for the mki or Canon just simply made a mistake.

 

[m4ndr4ke]

Depends on how you define on par. Even though the R3 delivers the full 14-bit RAW with ES, the mechanical shutter still delivers better DR at ISOs lower than 1600, well over half a stop at base ISO.

Personally, that’s not enough to get me to use the mechanical shutter, but the difference is there.

I'd say that's an acceptable difference. It's better than having as much DR as an APS-C camera, like Sony did with the a9 III. I'm not questioning that global shutter is the way to go (when possible), but that camera took quite a hit because of it, yet they put it in the market anyway.