Well I'm about to buy 2 x 1DX's.... if Canon were to announce the 5D3 with an AF that works, in a smaller body, with no AA filter for half the price of the 1DX then I'll be buying those instead.
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what advantage does canon see in delaying their response to d800???
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rhysgray said:Raddy said:Is it only me, but why do people always need an answer for even the weirdest questions?
No offense, but in this case I doubt that a company like Canon feels the need to react on any release made by Nikon or any other company. Why should they bother? It's not like they weren't developing cams and lenses anyway. Just to respond to any other fresh product on the market? I don't think so, it's all about profit and hopefully having the best product available.
Besides that I wonder why people always need someone else saying: No, don't get a 5D Mark II now, wait for the 5D Mark III. Now, as the release seems to be around the corner it's a little different situation. But speaking e.g. of rumoured lenses or maybe even lenses which weren't even rumoured, why do people need some sort of confirmation on what to do? It's not like people in here can really pretend the future.
If I would really care about all these postings I wouldn't end up with a camera or lens by 2015 or even at all as I would always be waiting on the next model.
The recommendation I like most in here:
Get your gear you have and go outside and take pictures, improve your skills.
This is so true...
On the other hand it's the canonrumours forum. I guess this justifies those questions.
Wish you all a great weekend and lots of good pictures...
heres what i think of 5d2: amazing camera for 2008. now it is desperately outdated.
archaic AF. mediocre IQ and resolution.
d800 is sexy. id switch to nikon but i need better iso performance than the d800 offers.
sort yourself out canon
I find comments like that slightly bewildering... The 5Dii is desperately outdated? I guess I'm from a different generation of photographers - I will be 32 years old this year and first learnt how to use a SLR camera at school when I was 18. So we're talking 1998 here and you know what camera they gave us to learn photography? The very brilliant Pentax K1000. Which was launched in 1976!! By the time I shot my first roll of 35mm film that camera was over 22 years old, had actually officially been discontinued and you know what, all of us were chuffed to bits with our prints. And even better we all got to learn how to meter properly, set aperture and shutter speed, decide upon film speed and shock-horror: How to focus a lens.
I still have prints from that K1000 that look brilliant today and sometimes don't understand this need for constant updates on cameras. You used to keep the same body for a decade or two back in the days.
Yikes, I'm sounding like a bitter ol git i guess - but at the end of the day I agree that the most important thing is still to go out and shoot! Don't worry too much about having the latest model - chances are the camera you're holding in your hands is still very adequate. After all, it was when you first got it right?
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LOL sorry but I almost wet my pats. Since when is a month a DELAY when whatever gets anounced this spring will likely have been scheduled 6 months ago....
It would be like saying Nikon delayed the D4 announcement.
Let's stop being so critical about what is a very standard way ALL camera companies do business: you schedule a release date and you stick to it regardless of what the competitors do the weeks before.
Agree 100%. Likewise for the 1DX vs D4. They are months appart so whatever difference in timing amounts to nothing as long as they are here before the olympics.
I think outdated is such as stretch for something that is meant to last years, as you say. The 5DIII specs have long ago been locked in and it will not make the D800 outdated in any way. What will make the D800 outdated is the D900 3 years from now. Is the 1DX outdated because the D4 was anounced later? ... didn't think so...
OR more likely, they are getting production up to meet demand. firmware can always be released later so it makes no sense to hold back. hate to burts people's bubbles but the AF system wasn't designed for f/8 or they would have announced it could do that already. So one has to wonder if it would even be desirable to have it tacked on via a firmware hack. Will it work? possibly. Will it be good, unlikely.
I really don't think the camera world works that way. The fact of the matter is that if the 22MP spec is true, the nikon camera will certainly have enough differentiation and vice versa that you'll see plenty of sales of both independantly of what the other game is doing. As for the flagships, again, you could argue that because the D4 is "newer" it takes momentum...but I dont' subscribe to that theory.
As I said, whatever dates for the 1DX and 5DIII were decided months in advanced. That's all this is about.
It would be like saying Nikon delayed the D4 announcement.
Let's stop being so critical about what is a very standard way ALL camera companies do business: you schedule a release date and you stick to it regardless of what the competitors do the weeks before.
Agree 100%. Likewise for the 1DX vs D4. They are months appart so whatever difference in timing amounts to nothing as long as they are here before the olympics.
I think outdated is such as stretch for something that is meant to last years, as you say. The 5DIII specs have long ago been locked in and it will not make the D800 outdated in any way. What will make the D800 outdated is the D900 3 years from now. Is the 1DX outdated because the D4 was anounced later? ... didn't think so...
OR more likely, they are getting production up to meet demand. firmware can always be released later so it makes no sense to hold back. hate to burts people's bubbles but the AF system wasn't designed for f/8 or they would have announced it could do that already. So one has to wonder if it would even be desirable to have it tacked on via a firmware hack. Will it work? possibly. Will it be good, unlikely.
I really don't think the camera world works that way. The fact of the matter is that if the 22MP spec is true, the nikon camera will certainly have enough differentiation and vice versa that you'll see plenty of sales of both independantly of what the other game is doing. As for the flagships, again, you could argue that because the D4 is "newer" it takes momentum...but I dont' subscribe to that theory.
As I said, whatever dates for the 1DX and 5DIII were decided months in advanced. That's all this is about.
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I don't think Canon suggested that there was an advantage or a disadvantage, they just aren't ready yet. No conspiracy, no hidden meaning, that's just how it is. There are multiple stages of product development and multiple parties involved, it just can't be done overnight. This isn't a game of chess, no company has to release something just because another company did. It would probably be in their best interest to, but they dont have to.
The only potential advantage I could see is to allow the hype of the D800 to die down a bit and then announce something better a few days before D800 launch to draw attention away from it.
The only potential advantage I could see is to allow the hype of the D800 to die down a bit and then announce something better a few days before D800 launch to draw attention away from it.
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rhysgray said:
1. It is so amazing that they feel no need to rush a carefully planned unveiling (since the unveiling was also planned before D800s will ship).
2. They came up with a somewhat weak effort and what good would it do to announce the day after, what thunder do you steal if your product is worse?
3. They came up with something weak and they announced it early then Nikon would announce the D800 the next day and take away all their thunder and make them look silly so they will wait until D800 fervor dies down a bit and have a lower key announcement later on.
4. They came up with something weak but some of the weak elements can be easily fixed, they got early word of final D800 specs a bit back and have to delay 5D3 announcement a bit until they see just exact;y what upped specs that can manage to get back into it without causing over a six month delay.
5. Some other reason.
I am getting a bit of a bad feeling that they have something only sort of semi-cool and bit lacking given the time since the 5D2 release and all the expectations.
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I know why Canon has delayed their response to the D800:
Canon has thought it would be fitting to let the D800 stew a bit in the minds of buyers and have a bit of short lived glory before Canon drops the bomb that is the 5DmkII successor and once again beat down the "dark side"! In which case L lenses will rain from the skies and there will be heaven on Earth at least for the next 3-4 years.
Sorry, I couldn't help myself.
But in all seriousness, I don't think that Canon's timing of the supposed CR3 rated announcement next week would be considered late or lagging behind Nikon at all. It makes sense for marketing departments to schedule announcements to build anticipation and anxiety in the market when announcing competing products. The time spent waiting after the D800 announcement would cause all eyes and ears to be focused on Canon for their "response".
Canon has thought it would be fitting to let the D800 stew a bit in the minds of buyers and have a bit of short lived glory before Canon drops the bomb that is the 5DmkII successor and once again beat down the "dark side"! In which case L lenses will rain from the skies and there will be heaven on Earth at least for the next 3-4 years.
Sorry, I couldn't help myself.
But in all seriousness, I don't think that Canon's timing of the supposed CR3 rated announcement next week would be considered late or lagging behind Nikon at all. It makes sense for marketing departments to schedule announcements to build anticipation and anxiety in the market when announcing competing products. The time spent waiting after the D800 announcement would cause all eyes and ears to be focused on Canon for their "response".
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With all the natural disasters in southeast Asia, it's not clear to me that Canon is delaying its response to the D800. That said, I have always believed--based on my own experience--that Canon pulled back and reworked the 5d2 at the last moment. During the spring of 2008 I was haunting camera shops everywhere in search of information, and by April almost every dealer I talked to was convinced that the 5d2 was in the mail. And then suddenly there was dead air for months. The camera wasn't announced until September and didn't show up in my (American) market until mid-November.
I have no hard proof that this was not Canon's planned schedule all along. However, several events happened during that time frame which might plausibly have caused the company to reconsider the feature set of the 5d2, and that in turn might establish a precedent for the current situation.
1. Nikon introduced video into DSLRs with the D90. After the release of the 5d2, Canon officals claimed, however, that the addition of basic video was done at the request of officials from Reuters news agency. My best guess is that a combination of these two factors led to the late inclusion of video, and that this was primarily responsible for the delay in the camera's release.
2. Nikon introduced the D700. It was a strong offering, and it meant for the first time that Canon no longer had to itself a full-frame prosumer market which was even more profitable than anyone outside the company suspected. I've always wondered if that didn't spark the inclusion of an updated version of the 21 MP IDs3 sensor in the 5d2. Another of my pet theories is that it has taken the major Japanese camera makers a decade to begin to grasp the difference between the optical-mechanical business of building film cameras and the essentially electronic business of producing digital cameras. I suspect that Canon executives were convinced that build quality alone would be enough to maintain IDs3 sales volume. Even so, they must have suspected the image quality of the 5d2 would cause some erosion of flagship sales; I believe they thought that the losses to internal competion would be acceptable if upgrading the 5d2 would crush the upstart Nikon full-framer before it gained traction on Canon's turf.
It's a Japanese company with a flair for secrecy, and no one outside the corporate culture really knows what informs its decisions. But the introduction of the 5d2 always suggested to me that Canon was a company which was willing and capable of responding fairly quickly to competition and market forces. And I think it's at least possible that this has happened again with the 5d3.
I have no hard proof that this was not Canon's planned schedule all along. However, several events happened during that time frame which might plausibly have caused the company to reconsider the feature set of the 5d2, and that in turn might establish a precedent for the current situation.
1. Nikon introduced video into DSLRs with the D90. After the release of the 5d2, Canon officals claimed, however, that the addition of basic video was done at the request of officials from Reuters news agency. My best guess is that a combination of these two factors led to the late inclusion of video, and that this was primarily responsible for the delay in the camera's release.
2. Nikon introduced the D700. It was a strong offering, and it meant for the first time that Canon no longer had to itself a full-frame prosumer market which was even more profitable than anyone outside the company suspected. I've always wondered if that didn't spark the inclusion of an updated version of the 21 MP IDs3 sensor in the 5d2. Another of my pet theories is that it has taken the major Japanese camera makers a decade to begin to grasp the difference between the optical-mechanical business of building film cameras and the essentially electronic business of producing digital cameras. I suspect that Canon executives were convinced that build quality alone would be enough to maintain IDs3 sales volume. Even so, they must have suspected the image quality of the 5d2 would cause some erosion of flagship sales; I believe they thought that the losses to internal competion would be acceptable if upgrading the 5d2 would crush the upstart Nikon full-framer before it gained traction on Canon's turf.
It's a Japanese company with a flair for secrecy, and no one outside the corporate culture really knows what informs its decisions. But the introduction of the 5d2 always suggested to me that Canon was a company which was willing and capable of responding fairly quickly to competition and market forces. And I think it's at least possible that this has happened again with the 5d3.
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I would not be supprized if we saw something along the line the 4K DSLR announcement that happened with the C300 to shoot back at RED's offering, that is some basic specs of a future high megapixel DSLR released at the 5D mk3/X launch.
Actually releasing such a camera 6 months after Nikon probabley isnt much of a problem, leaving people in the dark as to whether one will be released at all is and could result in alot of people switching brands.
Actually releasing such a camera 6 months after Nikon probabley isnt much of a problem, leaving people in the dark as to whether one will be released at all is and could result in alot of people switching brands.
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Well whatever Canons thoughts are, They have lost a very old and loyal customer unless they anounce their 45MP camera before Nikon ships me the new D800E I have on order. They have been milking the technology for several years now. Most landscape shooters have been requesting more MP and 16 Bits for at least 5 years while Canon caters to the PJs. My 1DS3 was allways considered a stopgap. Other that the sensor there is probably not over $200.00 worth of parts in the 1DS3, but we photographers who are not engineers are not knowledgable enough to know that. So even at 10 times the cost thats still only $2000.00 for profit. Good thing Canon And Nikon don't make cars. A hugo would cost $150,000.00+.
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