What Will The EOS 5D Mark IV Bring to the Table?

[Antono Refa]

DPAF TECH & STM only stm dpaf lens are combo efs lenses eg: 24-105stm 55-250mm and 50mm1.8 stm
1080-4K VIDEO "MILLIONS OF PHOTOGS AROUND THE WORLD ARE BETTING NO 4K"

At the moment there are three FF lenses with STM:

* EF 40mm f/2.8 STM

* EF 50mm f/1.8 STM

* EF 24-105mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM

Those are EF lenses, not EF. The 50mm is FF normal lens, and the 24-105mm has the same focal range as the 5D's kit lens, and makes little sense on APS-C.

 

[tpatana]

If 1DX2 is not good enough, I'll probably wait for this announcement and then decide between 5D4 and 5DsR.

 

[Sabaki]

I'd be happy with near similar specs but would like the following:

- Cleaner base ISO
- Better DR
- Dedicated processor for ITR

 

[In-The-Dark]

AF point-linked Spot metering would be awesome!

 

[HighLowISO]

Sounds like lots of speculation still.

I'm definitely in the camp any 5D mkIV (if that's what they call it) will not launch without something that Canon feels comfortable calling 4K video. This falls into the basics these days.

I was right that Canon would not release the 1DmkII without WiFi support (even if it is a dongle of sorts) and I think 4K on a 5DmkIV is essentially the same type of basic requirement at this level. Canon not only released basic WiFi they went all out an offered a comprehensive solution even if they could not get it built-in.

I see 4K much the same for the 5D series. It's needed and it's needed NOW! Seems like a given, but OK people make mistakes so we'll have to wait to see. If the 5Ds was selling better I doubt we'd see it in 2016, but I think maybe there will at least be an announcement later in the year.

I hope that they will maintain CF card support, but that's mostly because I don't need CFast. ...but if it's critical for their 4K support I hope they make dual CFast, and drop the SD card on this series...

That's my speculation... worth less than 2cents, but you didn't even pay that.

 

[dolina]

TBH the 5Ds should have had CFast. 1066x is toooooooo slow.

 

[shift_excpectations]

Hello everybody, as most of you, I'm really interested in the "new" 5D, but is there any more precise time for the release?

With the specifications of the EOS-1D X Mark II being made public, the obvious next question is what can we expect to see in the EOS 5D Mark IV, which is coming in 2016.

Spring 2016? Late autumn? What do you think or does somebody already know the time WHEN?

I expect 7-8 fps, do neither need 4k for video nor 28mpx or WIFI.
What I'd like to have is a touch screen, USB3.0 but most important more DR (in the range of Nikons D800), better ISO performance at 100-400 and an enhanced AF system coming closer and closer to the "old" 1DX.

 

[Maximilian]

Hmm...
This spec looks not so much tempting to me.

I don't care about more MP, 4K, I don't know if I'd need 9 FPS, I wouldn't want CFast + SD as I'd had to buy new Cards (use CF now), don't know what the new AF system would bring and the other things... so-so.

Only thing that would make me move: Much (!!!) better RAW OOC IQ at higher ISO.

Otherwise I can save my money for glas and wait what a 5D5 (or wht it's named) could bring...

 

[tahoetoeknee]

What do you think the release price will be?

 

[Shomiyato]

I feel canon should leave the 5 series as the "S" studio models. And maybe push the 6 series closer to a more "average" full frame line. Unless they decided to leave the 6 series relatively simple and bring back the eos 3 to the digital age, which was far more advanced than the eos 5 of the time. So for full frame you would have...

1d: best all around, critical photography application.

3d: best application for general use. Slower fps. Excellent IQ, focus system not as complex as 1 series. (24-36 MP)

5d: studio only use system, high MP count. High IQ at lower ISO settings. (40-50 MP)

6d: budget version of 3 series / all other ff. Image quality rival that of the 3 series if not, equal to. More "newer" technology to lure people on the fence looking for the "what's hot" option. (18-24 MP)

A three camera option , minus the top line 1 series, I believe would definitely be very competitive move for canon instead of flooding the market with a single line that covers many possible options. Could be a better option from a production pov to make the same body for different models however, ala Sony a7 line. Who knows just throwing my 2 cents out there.

 

[Diko]

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7-8 fps since 5d3 is 6fps "CANT BE 9fps you'd be in 7d2 10fps territory"
(7-8 would be great for sports/action shooters like me)....

Why not? Please note: The best seller is NOT the flagship. ;-)

Another posts again compares the 7d2 to the 5d4... Why!?!?

The one is with smaller CROP. OK - good for sport but if they have the power why not more FPS. It will always stay away from monstrous 14 or 16 fps of 1dx2.

Though I have to admit that the rumors ARE really a little overkill compared to the official 1Dx2 specs. There's no room for a distinguished gap between the 1D and 5D series.

DIGIC 4 was launched in the 50D first, before the 5DII.

So here's a thought...

The 80D launches first with DIGIC 7 and the 5DIV after that, also with DIGIC 7.

Good point there.

...1. A sensor that is ISO-invariant....

What do you mean by that?

TBH the 5Ds should have had CFast. 1066x is toooooooo slow.

+1

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1d: best all around, critical photography application.

3d: best application for general use. Slower fps. Excellent IQ, focus system not as complex as 1 series. (24-36 MP)

5d: studio only use system, high MP count. High IQ at lower ISO settings. (40-50 MP)

6d: budget version of 3 series / all other ff. Image quality rival that of the 3 series if not, equal to. More "newer" technology to lure people on the fence looking for the "what's hot" option. (18-24 MP)

That is OUTRAGEOUS! You are troll, right? ;-)

IMO "high-pixel-low-ISO" medium-format-like idea of yours is out of the question. And you know why? Because SONY and Pentax had already created a medium format ISO 200K monster for some time.

Nobody needs a low-ISO high-pixel FF body. The market has what to offer already.

Low ISO is not the problem for higher pixel body and the market wouldn't recognize it. After all if you shoot studio you would go MF not FF. And there the competition is gorgeous. And probably CANON's digits show that the expensive MF sensor will not bring them that much of profit.


As for 6D from what I have heard they will put more features and make it more expensive yet away from the 5d Seriers zone.

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• I personally need high ISO (at least 51K in the native range) and 28-36 MP (range) in a solid body.
  
  
• A wi-fi is a bonus, but ONLY if it's in a solid body. Remeber - CR stated that Canon has already dealt with that problem.
  
  
  

In that same article is stated:
"...a configuration in which the wireless communication unit is arranged on the inclined surface (Dach surface) of the pentaprism such that the accessory shoe does not disturb a radio wave upon wireless communication."

• IMO the innovation for this generation of CANON cameras will be DUAL PIXEL AF (remember - the original 1Dx doesn't have it) and Movie Servo AF. No more no less.
  
  If Movie Servo AF is that much cool and usable IMO they will split and 5DC will have it. And 5Dm4 - will NOT.
  Both will have 4k.
  
  The reason: cause everyone already have it. They can't stay behind.
  
  But if actually the Movie Servo AF is not that awesome - they'll make only 5D mark 4.
  
  
  Please excuse me if I didn't verbalized it correctly.
  
  • Touchscreen - would be nice for a swift (predefined) focus zone selection, but ONLY if there is a an oldschool slide lock. Otherwise we all be unpleasantly amazed of our nose's opinion where what the right setting should be.
    
  • A USB 3.0 is mandatory and USB C is a vivid dream of mine ;-)

 

[BrunoMatos]

10 fps please, make it a fullframe 7d2!

 

[vscd]

PLEASE NO Touch- or TILTScreen! Keep that for toys. But otherwise some 1DX Mark II specs could drop down into the 5D M4

 

[Diko]

PLEASE NO Touch- or TILTScreen! Keep that for toys. But otherwise some 1DX Mark II specs could drop down into the 5D M4

No touch - I understand. But why against tilt?

 

[Silverstream]

I also want a reticulated 3.2" screen, touchscreen, USB3. I had a camera with touchscreen and it is very handy and fast for image review. Clients find it easy and intuitive to operate as well.

Reticulated screen is important for me as an event wedding shooter as it is not infrequent for me to have to go high with the camera for crowd shots or for those moments when I don't want to get on the floor for those type shots.

USB3 would be great for whenever tethered. It would seriously speed up the shoot and review process.

 

[gmrza]

That spec list looks probable, possible and altogether likely. While I voted for twin Cfast in the 1DX2 thread, I sure wouldn't hope for a Cfast/SD match-up. Twin CF or twin Cfast, but not another mash-up please!

Do what Nikon has done, and offer the choice.

-pw

It's a difficult one for Canon to get right. Lots of people will have big investments in CF cards. Anyone who doesn't specifically need the speed CFast will be bummed if the 5DIV does not support CF. A CFast/CF mix may be the best compromise, as a lot of 5DIII users haev much larger investments in CF than SD cards. CFast cards are still quite expensive, so many users will want to ramp up slowly.
For a user who wants to separate RAW and JPG files onto separate cards, the CF/CFast mix may still work as a 32GB CFast card would be more than sufficient to hold JPGs while using existing existing CF cards for RAW. As the cost of CFast drops, the user can then swap to using CFast as primary storage and CF for JPG backups.

I don't think Canon can afford not to introduce CFastm but at the same time, Canon needs to think about existing users who have lots of CF cards.

 

[dolina]

Just surpass the specifications of the following bodies or equal the 2016 bodies at a $2,500 price point.

2016 - Nikon D500
2015 - Leica M Typ 262
2015 - Leica SL Type 601
2015 - Sony a7S II
2015 - Sony a7R II
2015 - Leica M Mono Typ 246
2015 - Nikon D810A
2015 - Canon 5Ds

 

[tron]

With the specifications of the EOS-1D X Mark II being made public, the obvious next question is what can we expect to see in the EOS 5D Mark IV, which is coming in 2016.</p>
<p>The EOS 5D Mark III followed the EOS-1D X quite closely in on paper specifications. Below is a prediction based of what we think we could see inside the next 5D.</p>
<ul>
<li>28mp</li>
<li>9fps</li>
<li>DIGIC 6+ (They won’t launch DIGIC 7 so closely to a flagship camera)</li>
<li>61 point AF</li>
<li>CFast & SD</li>
<li>Touchscreen</li>
<li>Built-in GPS & Wifi</li>
<li>Lighter weight</li>
</ul>
<p>The biggest question will be in regards to 4K video capture. It appears that on the EOS-1D X Mark II, you will be able to record 4K video to the CFast 2.0 slot. Will Canon put a CFast 2.0 slot in the 5D Mark IV along with the SD card slot and do away with CF? I don’t see them taking the SD card slot out of the camera in favor of dual slots for CF and CFast. Everyone we’ve spoken to has said 4K recording will not be part of the EOS 5D Mark III direct replacement camera, but that can obviously change.</p>
<p>A video oriented version of the 5D such as a 5D C? It’s possible and has been long rumored, but nothing reported can be considered reliable at this point.</p>
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My opinion:
1.I think CFAST and SD is a strange combination. A more down to earth approach is to keep the CF/SD combination only this time with better SD controller (even 7D2 is much better than 5D3 on this matter).
2. 9 fps would put it to sports category (assuming AF system is fast). Remember a few years ago the norm fps for sports was around 10.
3. 4K no opinion (or interest here) but if it were to have 4K that would be limited to 30fps.
4. 28Mp: I would prefer a smaller number say 24 but since it will most probably be a general purpose FF camera they will try to strike a balance between 1DxII and 5Ds5. I personally prefer it to be a low light freak...
5. 61 point AF OK, we all hope/want to be the same as the one in 1DxII but how about AF speed (just like 1Dx vs 5D3).

Now, where is my 5D4? ;D

 

[David the street guy]

10 fps please, make it a fullframe 7d2!

I like that idea!

I'm about to buy a new camera, and I expect the 5D Mark IV to be it, but only if the specs are right: what I'm looking for is just that, a full frame 7D2 with great sensitivity in low light situations, an amazing autofocus and a tough magnesium alloy body fully weatherized.

Does anyone know (or believe he/she might know…) when something like that can be expected?

 

[brad-man]

10 fps please, make it a fullframe 7d2!

I like that idea!

I'm about to buy a new camera, and I expect the 5D Mark IV to be it, but only if the specs are right: what I'm looking for is just that, a full frame 7D2 with great sensitivity in low light situations, an amazing autofocus and a tough magnesium alloy body fully weatherized.

Does anyone know (or believe he/she might know…) when something like that can be expected?

see this thread:
http://www.canonrumors.com/announcing-the-canon-eos-1d-x-mark-ii/