Where is the Canon EOS 6D Mark II?

[jc7222]

<li>24-28mp full frame CMOS</li>
<li>45 AF points (all cross-type)</li>
<li>Dual Pixel AF</li>
<li>DIGIC 7</li>
<li>Built-in Wi-Fi®, NFC and Bluetooth® technology</li>
<li>Built-in ***</li>
<li>Vari-Angle touchscreen LCD</li>
<li>6 FPS Shooting</li>
<li>HDR Movie & Time Lapse Movie</li>
<li>Some form of 4K video</li>
<li>Movie electronic image stabilization</li>
<li>Dual SD card slots</li>
<li>100% coverage optical viewfinder with some new features</li>
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<p>As we all know, Canon very rarely goes way outside of the with new products, as their cameras aren’t just about one specific feature. It’s generally how all of the features come together to make a great shooting experience for the photographer.</p>
<p>We would love to see this camera come in at under the $2000 USD mark.</p>
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Below are my expectations for the 6D II

- I somehow doubt Canon will put 45 AF points in the 6D mark II. I would be very happy to be wrong but, I expect it to be somewhere in the 20s with all points being cross-type and the center point dual cross-type and -6EV. Now trying to explain to a person moving up to FF that they have reduced AF points may be tricky.
(I would be very satisfied with 20+ AF points that works as well as the current model's center point and a more robust center point.)
- The view finder will not be at 100%. More likely 98%
- The shutter speed will remain at 1/4000 sec
- The FPS will be 5.5 sec
- The build quality will be inferior to the 5D IV

These differences will keep the price point lower and justify the extra $$ for the 5D IV.
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[scyrene]

Ugh "nerf". A euphemism for 'cripple', and just as pointless.

Anyhow, I saw a lot of people moaning here that 7fps was too slow, but 8-9fps would be ideal when the 5D4 came out. If 1-2fps are so important, why is the gap between the 5D4 and a putative 6D2 not so big? The same can be said of MP count, AF points, etc.

Price is key, more than ever. If the price is high, leaving room for an entry-entry-level FF camera, then the 6D2 can get higher-end specs. Otherwise, there will be limitations. That's not 'crippling' (as some here have put it), but segregating the lineup by price, just like every company does, yadda yadda.

With regard to the 5D3 as some are mentioning, let's not forget it uses an older-type sensor, and apparently shadow lifting is a big deal (or it was until Canon caught up most of the way to the competition); that's a differentiator anyhow. Also, it rather depends how much of this camera is aimed at using up components from older models, which might bring down the production cost/increase the profit margin.

 

[ahsanford]

This is a question we receive multiple times every single day

If you want to stop pesky questions, quit stirring up unrealistic expectations by reprinting ridiculous specification lists for this camera.

This isn't CanonW.atch, dude. CR has an excellent track record, and though they may get 1-2 spec line items wrong or miss a punchy description of a key new feature, it won't be a train wreck of a prediction. I believe the spec list is largely accurate, and any surprise bad news on announcement day will be something not super high on the radar for the 6D camp (tethering, 1/8000 shutter, still no pop-up flash, etc.)

For those expressing skepticism at 45 AF points, I hear you (and share some skepticism), but consider that a $749 Rebel just got 45 all cross-type AF points. In the last gen of cameras, manufacturers must have some data showing that the number and quality of AF points consistently commands a higher price or moves more units, so they apparently have prioritized that in their next gens of camera bodies. So 45 points may happen -- it may lack the 5D level's customization, tracking, or illuminated feedback, but the points may very well be there.

- A

 

[jeanluc]

Anybody care to guess how a 5DSR update fits into things? I seem to remember word of a relatively
quick upgrade to that body. If so, I bet that will also push 5d4 prices down a bit. So maybe the 6d2 will
start out at a good price point.

 

[ahsanford]

Anybody care to guess how a 5DSR update fits into things? I seem to remember word of a relatively
quick upgrade to that body. If so, I bet that will also push 5d4 prices down a bit. So maybe the 6d2 will
start out at a good price point.

This has been speculated on a number of other threads. Canon has a fairly locked in schedule for the 1DX/5D/6D bodies in how each brand gets its own little spotlight for a few months, but the goal is to bang out the new wave of bodies in fairly close succession (say 12-18 months) and have a trickle down tech effect.

And Canon never seems to speed up 'next' versions (at least not in the last 10 years or so), so expect that 4-5 year cycle time for a FF body.

But the 5DS was introduced mid-cycle of the 1DX/5D/6D stuff and that's both a blessing and a curse for Canon. There is some wisdom in fast-following a 5DS/5DS R next version to get it more in line parity/price/feature-wise with the 5D4. But there's also the thought that Canon doesn't want FF releases to only happen in two spurts over a 10 year span, and that the 5DS is some sort of 'interest refresher' in Canon as a more regular product releaser in the FF segment.

So I could see it either way: Canon pushes out the 5DS2 quickly after the 5D4 or they stick to their guns and it won't happen for years to maximize the first 5DS bodies' profitability. Your guess is as good as mine.

- A

 

[Aussie shooter]

Single sd slot and no 4k? Without those two you could keep the rest of that list and have a great camera at a great price. Canon is smart enough to know that by keeping the 6d as an entry level camera at an entry level(FF entry level that is) price then people will get in the game and spend up on lenses.

 

[glness]

This is certainly a relevant topic, but what I really want to additionally know is where is an update of the 5DSR and the 7D Mark II? I know Canon typically takes its own sweet time with updates, but they should be releasing the updates to the 7D II and 5DSR utilizing the new sensor technology ASAP.

 

[ahsanford]

This is certainly a relevant topic, but what I really want to additionally know is where is an update of the 5DSR and the 7D Mark II? I know Canon typically takes its own sweet time with updates, but they should be releasing the updates to the 7D II and 5DSR utilizing the new sensor technology ASAP.

Everyone wants on-chip ADC and they simply will have to wait until the next release. I could see 5DS2 coming out for the reasons I mentioned in my prior message on this page, but a 7D3 will not be fast-tracked unless Canon has some ominous signs from the sales force that the D500 is earning nontrivial market share. (I've seen zero reporting on that actually happening so far, btw.)

Generational improvements -- even if just to keep parity with the competition : -- is not an entitlement in a market where the market leader has so many other vital advantages (lenses, reliability, ergonomics, track record, etc.). In other words, unless they are losing business because of something, Canon will hook us up with new hotness when they feel like it and no sooner.

- A

 

[kaptainkatsu]

As far as a major firmware upgrade for the 5D IV goes, what could they add to the 5D IV and how then would that impact the 1D XII? Seems like a slippery slope to me.

Disagree... unless it's an exclusive 5D4 feature, and a game changer at that. Bumping the 5D4 to (say) 8-9 fps isn't going to tank 1DX2 sales.

Right now the 1DX2 in all things (other than resolution and smaller size for those who don't want an integral grip) lords over the rest of the offerings pretty comprehensively. The gulf between the 1DX2 and 5D4 is correct for the price they want for it. The same is not so for a $2k 6D2 (at those rumored specs) to a $3499 5D4, i.e. IMHO the 6D2 is far closer to the 5D4 than the 5D4 is to the 1DX2, so the 5D4 has room to improve or differentiate itself without stealing the 1DX2's thunder.

- A

Agreed. As a 1DX2 owner, I would still choose a 1DX2 over a 5D4. Plus the ergonomics of the 1DX2 IMO are superior to the 5D4+grip. And you don't get the M-Fn2 button which I think is a huge up sell if you are doing sports and fast moving shooting

 

[slclick]

Please no 4k. The 4k 'need' is totally overhyped. Y'all don't have the know how, the means or the gear to support it. Y'all meaning the pleebs.
This camera needs to differentiate itself, not just be a little sibling.

Realistic things it should have:

dual slots, what kind, I don't care
flippy screen
Low fps...really? you think it's a sports/wildlife body? Please.
Interchangeable focusing screen
Amazing low light performance
EV -3 or better
semi weather resistant
Joystick

 

[LonelyBoy]

Now trying to explain to a person moving up to FF that they have reduced AF points may be tricky.

Didn't Rebels have 19 points while the 6D had 11?

 

[jeffa4444]

ashanford their is a whole world outside of North America and in Europe the price differential between the 6D and the 5DMKIV is a gulf. In the UK its £ 3,499 for the 5D MKIV body, the 5DSr is £ 2,999 and the 5DS £ 2,799 dropping to £ 1,449 for the 6D body. Similar gaps exist in Europe but in Euros.

Here is how I see it because too many people that may have considered the 5D MKIV are not going to drop £ 3,499 on a 5D MKIV body (roughly $ 4,100 US)

The Canon 6D aside from the sensor and 2AF points was essentially technology from the 5D MKII with wif-fi & *** thrown in. The cost to Canon was not a ground up fully fledged price and they had wriggle room which saw the price come down to attract people into FF and more expensive glass.

The 6D MKII could be introduced at a higher price point The 6D is part metal body with weather sealing similar to the 80D, I do not see that changing and maybe getting better. With the specs. outlined Canon can keep the product differentiation from the 5D MKIV, improve the camera over the current 6D and leave room for a "rebel style" entry level FF camera and have a line that mirrors the 7D MKII, 80D and 77D in the 5DIV, 6D MKII & the 8D (Rebel entry level).

The 1D series really is in a level of its own and not directly comparable.

The Canon CEO talked about more variation but longer replacement cycles this would fit with that. Equally Canon puts the current 6D in the middle of its range of cameras not at the bottom as entry level so this still fits that criteria.

If Canon intentionally cripple the AF when they have now at least two APS-C cameras below the 7D MKII with 45AF points then they will get a storm of protest, why provide it on crop but not on FF? your logic doesnt stack up.
Many posts on Canon Rumors have suggested it should be a full-frame version of the 80D and I would agree and I doubt that those wanting the features in the 7D MKII were put off by the arrival of the 80D so why should the 6D vs the 5D MKIV be any different beacuse aside from build quality it has higher shutter life, mirror assembly improvements, AF tracking modes, intevalometer, joystick, the better metering system, more AF points all of which aid the still photographer (I dont shoot video and many of these features are on the 5DS I have).

For a camera to retain value and remain in the market for 4-5 years your logic to me doesnt hold water.

 

[IglooEater]

45 AF Points? That might very well be a buy for me. Especially if it's <2K. (Depending on how the CAD is doing...)
Personally I think iTR will be enough to differentiate the 5D IV.

 

[Zv]

I remember when the original 6D specs first came out and the camera was ridiculed by most people including myself. Turned out to be one of the most successfully popular cameras Canon made and one of my all time favorites. On paper it looked terrible but it just needed to be given a chance to prove itself.

Fast forward to now and we see a similar pattern. People are already slamming the rumored specs. Personally I would buy the 6DII if all they did to it was add the 45 point DPAF system, which is pretty much a given at this stage now that the M line and rebels have it. Everything else is just bonus!

 

[NancyP]

1. Improved sensor (I don't care as much about the pixel count) I like the current 6D, so better than that. No pattern noise, please.
2. Retain swappable screens, including a superfine screen for manual focus (as the current 6D does). I am a manual focus gal.
3. Tilt screen +/- touch focus in Live View. This is useful from a practical standpoint (kneel-point, lie-on-belly point) for ground level macro shooters.
The rest can go hang. I am pretty happy with my 6D, and see no need to upgrade unless sensor is significantly improved.

 

[ahsanford]

Fast forward to now and we see a similar pattern. People are already slamming the rumored specs. Personally I would buy the 6DII if all they did to it was add the 45 point DPAF system, which is pretty much a given at this stage now that the M line and rebels have it. Everything else is just bonus!

Have you been reading this thread at all? If the rumored specs come to pass, we'd be delighted.

I'm just saying Canon shouldn't offer that much for $2k because it will likely steal 5D4 sales.

As for ex-US price considerations, I'm admittedly a novice. But the price gulf you describe exists in the US albeit with different values:

5D4 = $3499
6D1 (right now) = $1269

My argument is not the price, but the value proposition. A $2k 6D2 that can do (at least with stills) a solid 90% of what the 5D4 can do isn't going to solve that gulf. It will flip large groups of users downmarket, which makes no sense for a market leader unless they've found a way to build a 6D2 at a staggeringly low production cost.

I still contend that -- for this rumored spec list -- the price needs to be higher than $2k or something the 5D4 does that the 6D2 doesn't that we haven't been talking about will surface eventually. My guess is it will be something fairly important that might protect the 5D4's asking price. No idea what the feature is, honestly, hence my intuition that they might be reaching for more than $2k at first asking.

- A

 

[hbr]

I remember when the original 6D specs first came out and the camera was ridiculed by most people including myself. Turned out to be one of the most successfully popular cameras Canon made and one of my all time favorites. On paper it looked terrible but it just needed to be given a chance to prove itself.

Fast forward to now and we see a similar pattern. People are already slamming the rumored specs. Personally I would buy the 6DII if all they did to it was add the 45 point DPAF system, which is pretty much a given at this stage now that the M line and rebels have it. Everything else is just bonus!

I remember those days and since I was in the market for upgrading to a full frame camera but could not justify the 5D Mk III, I became very confused. The reviews, correctly I might add, were saying that this was a great camera, but it seemed that nearly everyone on this forum was bashing it.

It seems to me that if Canon made the 6D II with the same specs as the 80D, (original price $1199 in the US), surely they could, for another $1000 or so, add a full frame sensor, bigger buffer, etc.

 

[timmy_650]

I think these specs look around right. If they go most lower than 45 point then it will have a hard time selling against the 5D3. There was a lot of talk about which camera you should buy then the 6D came out, it or the 5D2. The camera they listed makes it an easy choice.
If these specs are true they might get me to upgrade 6 months after it comes out and I didn't think I would.

 

[dak723]

I remember those days and since I was in the market for upgrading to a full frame camera but could not justify the 5D Mk III, I became very confused. The reviews, correctly I might add, were saying that this was a great camera, but it seemed that nearly everyone on this forum was bashing it.

One thing that you always need to keep in mind when on this forum is that the typical CR forum member is NOT the average camera user. I like to compare the folks here with the old "audiophiles" of the 1960s and 70s. They had to have the latest and greatest audio equipment, they studied and compared specs endlessly and then, rather than listen to and enjoy music, they analyzed every technical detail of the equipment. Sound familiar?

I consider myself a fairly typical photographer of 35 plus years. I want a camera that is reliable, gives me good color and contrast, is fun and easy to use. I need only one AF point, don't need any FPS (don't shoot action or wildlife), don't need 4K, would prefer 24MP or less. Sold my 6D, but would look into getting the 6D II if it is smaller and lighter and remains "entry level" in price.

 

[ahsanford]

I think these specs look around right. If they go most lower than 45 point then it will have a hard time selling against the 5D3. There was a lot of talk about which camera you should buy then the 6D came out, it or the 5D2. The camera they listed makes it an easy choice.
If these specs are true they might get me to upgrade 6 months after it comes out and I didn't think I would.

Again, I think the 5D3 is going poof after the 6D2 announcement. You can get a great deal on one in third party / eBay / used markets, but you won't get a warranty or expectation of that 'new car smell' to last that long, and you won't have that on-chip ADC hotness. I believe people will buy the 6D2 over the 5D3 at the same price, especially with these specs / especially with stills-only shooters.

- A