Where is the Canon EOS 6D Mark II?
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drob said:
DPAF + tilty-flippy + touchscreen helps for some percentage of stills depending on what you shoot. Not a must, but a very nice feature. Without a tilty-fllippy, try 'hitting and hoping' over a concert crowd for one night or lying on your belly to get really low to the ground for one day and the value of an articulating screen -- especially one you can touch to focus with -- becomes pretty clear. It's a really nice add.
But that pales in terms of the value those same features offer for video work, especially if you don't live and breathe video and shoot it all the time. DPAF + tilty-flippy + touchscreen = the ideal setup for the casual to enthusiast videographer who doesn't want/need a dedicated video rig, the photojournalist who covers stills and video, the b-cam at an event that can also record the speech / toast / first dance when no one gave you the heads up that you'd be asked to do that, etc.
Perhaps I'm not using my words well, but the triumvirate of DPAF + tilty-flippy + touchscreen = nice for stills, but it's bordering on essential for video unless you're a wiz at manual video work. So the likelihood Canon puts those three features on a camera without video capability is effectively zero.
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Just trying to look at the scenarios/possibilities of Canon releasing the 6D2 at the 2K price point with appealing features but yet set back enough where it wouldn't eat into the 5DMk4 sales. Do many photographers use the 6D for video anyway? If it's crippled in anyway, I'd rather it be in the video functions. This could possibly coincide with an updated 4K codec for the 5DMk4... further setting the 2 apart.ahsanford said:
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I am still saying 24MP for two reasons, one it keeps it from competing MP wise with the 5D4 and two despite it being FF, lower then 24MP would make many consumers that do not understand the difference between FF and Crop think its not as good of an sensor. So they have to keep it at least 24MP from a marketing stand point. Plus the Sony A7II is 24MP also..
I would be shocked if any of these were not in the new camera.
IDK about this one yet. It may make it, it may not. May actually come down to final manufacturing cost if it gets added or left out.
I want this. Many others want this.. But I want the same screen like is on the 80D. Not the M6.
I honestly do not see a reason they cant make a alloy body that will fit the tilt flip screen.
Very likely so. 6FPS maybe. Original was 4.5, so even 5FPS would technically still be an improvement with room to grow. But hope it is 6FPS.
I hope so. But I do not want motion jpeg like the gimped 4k in the 5D4. They do not have to give us ALL-I with 4k. I will be glad to settle with IPB compression in a MP4 container.
Always a plus. But would like to see IBIS as an option for stills also. Even if that means reducing the MP count down to 18MP and cropped down to APS-H size when turned on. I know there are some cases were this would still be preferred over a blurry image..
I do not see ANY reason Canon can not put dual SD card slots in the 6D2. Even Hasselblad's latest X1D mirrorless body has two SD card slots.. We do not need CF or XF anything else with this camera. But dual card slots is common in most of Nikons semi pro/ enthusiast bodies like the D7200. Personally I would be more then willing to give up GPS to be able to get a 2nd SD card slot..
Now all this said, there was talks about making the 6D2 body smaller. I personally would love to have it as the same size as the 80D. But I do not have long fingers. So the 80D and 70D also were perfect fits for me. Does make you wonder if they would put the 6D2 into a poly body like the 80D. I doubt it, but it does make you wonder. Personally I am still hoping for a alloy body.
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slclick said:
Interesting points. I think that the a 6D2 should be D760 match for stills with high IQ ditto but not necessary a video tool except for that that you expect for decent home movies these days, including proper formats and fps! That should keep it from cannibalizing on the 5D4 and we would have a nice FF extra for travel and such.
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We have near mint 5DIIIs going for ~£1600 at london camera exchange with some warranty. We also have the current 6D @ £1400 (~£1000 grey). When I was looking to purchase my 6D good 5DIIs were between then 6D and th eGrey 6D prices.
If the 6D2 does what the 6D did for canon, i.e. become a realistic alternative to second hand 5DIIs then the price cannot be much more than £1600, maybe £1800 tops, probably £1400 grey.
It also means a 6D2 will need an AF system on a par with the 5D3, so I'm in general agreement with most of the specs.
I think a change like this could leave a gap where the Nikon D610 is, i.e. those that want FF for the minimum price.
Could Canon keep making the original 6D?
If the 6D2 does what the 6D did for canon, i.e. become a realistic alternative to second hand 5DIIs then the price cannot be much more than £1600, maybe £1800 tops, probably £1400 grey.
It also means a 6D2 will need an AF system on a par with the 5D3, so I'm in general agreement with most of the specs.
I think a change like this could leave a gap where the Nikon D610 is, i.e. those that want FF for the minimum price.
Could Canon keep making the original 6D?
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rfdesigner said:
Good question. Whereas the 6D2 all but certainly spells the end for the 5D3, I'm less sure about the 6D1. The 6D2 is such a feature set bump over the 6D1 that they almost sit in different market spaces. One could see a near-future (say 2018) in which the FF line is:
Budget: 6D1
Mid-level: 6D2
All-Purpose Pro: 5D4
High Res Pro: 5DS/R
Flagship: 1DX2
But does Canon want those two red line items to coexist? I think they certainly could given how much better the 6D2 is spec'd to be, but perhaps Canon wants to take the 6D1 off the board to prevent a still-in-production $1000-1200 FF rig (albeit a dated one) from ever becoming a market expectation.
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ahsanford said:
I think that's it reasonable to speculate that the cleaning lady is on her way. One digit D means one camera and that the 6D1 and 5DS/R are goners. The latter to be replaced by a more profitable 1DXS or 3DS.
There was talk about a new "name plate" in 2017 right?
http://www.canonrumors.com/eos-6d-mark-ii-new-dslr-body-in-2017/
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Stuart
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Canon does not have to keep all their current lines running in parallel, they can merge lines together too. Maybe the 5D/S MK2 will be the new 5Dmk4. And then the 6D mk2 will really be the 5dMk5.
There probably need to be room in the product line up for a FF mirrorless offering too.
Also Will camera's like the Fujifilm GXR compete against the high end Canon models - Will canon also need a medium format offering (mirrorless) to keep leading the game.
Against all of this does a 6D mk2 still have a place?
There probably need to be room in the product line up for a FF mirrorless offering too.
Also Will camera's like the Fujifilm GXR compete against the high end Canon models - Will canon also need a medium format offering (mirrorless) to keep leading the game.
Against all of this does a 6D mk2 still have a place?
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I think this explains why we hear so little about the 6D-II. In terms of product life-cycle management they would only introduce a direct competitor to their current product (5D-III) once stock levels of that current product reach a critical threshold, otherwise they'll leave warehouses and retailers with dead stock (difficult to sell).ahsanford said:
There is still a market for the 6D1 as the fighting grade product which can be heavily discounted vs newer products from competitors, while still being profitable to supply chain stakeholdersrfdesigner said:
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As far as I know, Nikon used the same AF module (155 focus points of which 55 user-selectable) for both the APS-C D500 and for the Full Frame D5. They filled much better the D500 viewfinder than the D5's one, of course.
If Canon adopted the same 80D/77D AF module for the 6DII, anybody has an idea on how would the focus points spread in the viewfinder 6DII [considering the lower number of AF points (45 vs Nikon's 155)]?
If Canon adopted the same 80D/77D AF module for the 6DII, anybody has an idea on how would the focus points spread in the viewfinder 6DII [considering the lower number of AF points (45 vs Nikon's 155)]?
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I shoot APS-C but plan to get a full frame toward the end of this year. I'm looking at the 6D2 price range and so I'm closely watching this space and yes, those CR-predicted specs look very good.
What interests me a lot too is if Canon will also release their first mirrorless FF this year and if it will be based on much of the 6D2 specs, in a similar way that the M5 is with the 80D. So far the 6D2's looking good, rumors-wise, but I'm also intrigued with having an EVF and hopefully an optional mode for a completely silent shutter. I'll also consider the A7 III, Sony's 6D-equivalent not their pricier R version, that they're expected to also release this year.
What interests me a lot too is if Canon will also release their first mirrorless FF this year and if it will be based on much of the 6D2 specs, in a similar way that the M5 is with the 80D. So far the 6D2's looking good, rumors-wise, but I'm also intrigued with having an EVF and hopefully an optional mode for a completely silent shutter. I'll also consider the A7 III, Sony's 6D-equivalent not their pricier R version, that they're expected to also release this year.
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Canon Rumors said:
That would be nice and it is definitely "upmarket" move mentioned before because:
- 1AF cross point -> 45AF cross points (f/8 sensitivity???)
- 98% view finder -> 100% view finder
- Single SD -> Dual SD
- 4.5fps -> 6fps
- 20Mp -> 24 or even 28MP
That would be very plausible and I wouldn't mind paying a bit more than £2k ($1=>£1 looks like a current conversion rate) for that. They can still nerf it a lot by firmware (eg. no bulb timer, no exposure compensation in auto iso, etc.), keep max shutter speed to 1/4000, flash sync to 1/180s, etc.
There will be still differences between 6DII and 5DIV. The build and AF joystick are big one. I also doubt 6D will get all the nice AF modes and groupings available in more action oriented camera.
I don't care about video so they don't need to add it to 6DII at all and I will still be happy.
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I am very curious to see who the intended market for the 6d II is for and only Canon knows the answer to this. I am not so sure that the idea of making the original 6D as an entry level Full Frame to lure enthusiasts up from the APS-C purchasers worked out well for Canon, (although it worked for me). The fly in the ointment was that the purchaser could not use his EF-S lenses on it and therefore would also need to upgrade his lenses and EF lenses are expensive. That is the problem I have when I try to get my friends to upgrade from their Rebels to Full Frame. I think the vast amount of purchasers of the original already had FF and EF lenses and were looking for a second body that was less expensive. Canon later stated that the next 6D was going upscale.
Therefore, I am not so sure that the 6D series will remain a crippled 5D series. It all depends on how Canon now sees the future market for this fine camera.
Therefore, I am not so sure that the 6D series will remain a crippled 5D series. It all depends on how Canon now sees the future market for this fine camera.
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ExodistPhotography said:
They won't (I think). Put a 2nd card slot and it becomes a truly professional usable camera, which would make guys like me save $1500 and buy it instead of the 5D4.
For now I'm still keeping my 5D3, but if the 6D2 turns out to be a good camera with dual slot I wouldn't even think of buying the 5D4.
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A couple of thoughts here.
1) Canon has a lot of patents out there and has a history of introducing new features on whatever camera model they happen to be coming out with at the time. They don't always save them for their flagship models. We might have some nice surprises with the 6D II.
2) The rumored specs are looking great to me. i am no longer of the belief that the 6D II will be an entry level Full Frame. I think Canon has slightly shifted the targeted market from the original purchaser and will not be a threat to the 5D IV. Canon will most likely target the 5D IV owner that wants a less expensive second body and those, like me, that currently own the 6D and want to upgrade to better specs.
1) Canon has a lot of patents out there and has a history of introducing new features on whatever camera model they happen to be coming out with at the time. They don't always save them for their flagship models. We might have some nice surprises with the 6D II.
2) The rumored specs are looking great to me. i am no longer of the belief that the 6D II will be an entry level Full Frame. I think Canon has slightly shifted the targeted market from the original purchaser and will not be a threat to the 5D IV. Canon will most likely target the 5D IV owner that wants a less expensive second body and those, like me, that currently own the 6D and want to upgrade to better specs.
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