Where is the Canon EOS 6D Mark II?

[In-The-Dark]

<li>24-28mp full frame CMOS</li>
<li>45 AF points (all cross-type)</li>
<li>Dual Pixel AF</li>
<li>DIGIC 7</li>
<li>Built-in Wi-Fi®, NFC and Bluetooth® technology</li>
<li>Built-in ***</li>
<li>Vari-Angle touchscreen LCD</li>
<li>6 FPS Shooting</li>
<li>HDR Movie & Time Lapse Movie</li>
<li>Some form of 4K video</li>
<li>Movie electronic image stabilization</li>
<li>Dual SD card slots</li>
<li>100% coverage optical viewfinder with some new features</li>

Great set of predicted specs. But, will these make it to the finished product?
Looking forward to MP kept at a minimal increase, cleaner images at higher ISO, & wider placement of AF points.

 

[Zv]

Please correct me if I am wrong as I am relying on reading measurements on sites and not direct experience. it seems that there is very little to choose between the 5DIV and 1DXII in terms of noise and dynamic range and so the lower pixel sensor's prime role is to allow more fps? In which case, the putting the 1DXII sensor in a low fps 6DII would be worse than putting the 5DIV sensor into it?

Well, yeah it would be worse but no one is expecting the 5DIV sensor in the 6DII.

I reckon we'll see a completely new FF sensor developed for the 6DII that's somewhere in between 20-30Mpix (my guess is 24 or 25). Since the higher Mpix count of the 5DIV doesn't seem to have hindered it with regards to high ISO and DR we can safely assume the 6DII will also be fine in those areas. Personally I'd like a lower Mpix count as the files are easy to work with, though an additional 4 or 5 won't make a huge difference.

Who knows maybe Canon figured out something new about sensor design since the 1DXII and 5DIV and we could be in for a treat?

 

[IglooEater]

By that logic the 1DX had nothing over the 6D. I don't think you mean that. More AF points do make certain tasks much easier, especially sports and wildlife, where keeping an AF point on target while tracking is paramount.

Cameras are all about actually creating the image you want. IQ is only a part of that.

Of course, the 19 point 70D is not rubbish, but there's no question the 7D II's AF system will have the clear edge in certain applications. I think folks are hoping for more than 19 to make the new 6D an more versatile all-rounder.

I get that, but I doubt that a 6D mk II which might be less expensive than a 5D mk III will sell less against a 5D mk III just because of the AF... The 5D mk III focus system is quite capable, but I can think of only very rare occasions where this might give you an image that you can't get with a 6D mk II, probably. We are not talking about fps here, just about AF capabilities. And if you take the rest in, the 6D would just be an overall better performer with a much more advanced processor making that AF to be on a same level, except coverage probably.

Take in other factors like lenses, they are much more prone to give you bad results than a body with a modern AF system where there are "just" 50% of the cross-type points available.
If you are dependant on getting that image, you will take the 5D mk IV or 1DX mk II anyway, and not an aged 5D mk III (except you might shoot one for a bargin).

I beg to differ on the price difference. The vast majority of 5D iii's on the market are used. In my area they are selling for around 2000 cad ( think 1,530 usd). I almost bought one at 1,600cad (think 1,220 usd) last November but decided to wait on the 6D II announcement. I've seen legitimate offers as low as 1,400 (1,070 usd) but was never quick enough to snatch one up. The new 6D is likely to come in around 2,000 usd, (2650 cad) which is almost twice the price of what I can get a 5D III for.
In other words, the 6D II had better be pretty awesome for me to consider it over a 5D iii. That would include a capable AF system.

 

[benkam]

I beg to differ on the price difference. The vast majority of 5D iii's on the market are used. In my area they are selling for around 2000 cad ( think 1,530 usd). I almost bought one at 1,600cad (think 1,220 usd) last November but decided to wait on the 6D II announcement. I've seen legitimate offers as low as 1,400 (1,070 usd) but was never quick enough to snatch one up. The new 6D is likely to come in around 2,000 usd, (2650 cad) which is almost twice the price of what I can get a 5D III for.
In other words, the 6D II had better be pretty awesome for me to consider it over a 5D iii. That would include a capable AF system.

There's a clear price difference between used and new. If you look at it that way, when purchase decision time comes, apart from the specs, you can't forget the adjectives for their condition -- so it'll be between a new 6D II and a used 5D III.

 

[ahsanford]

There's a clear price difference between used and new. If you look at it that way, when purchase decision time comes, apart from the specs, you can't forget the adjectives for their condition -- so it'll be between a new 6D II and a used 5D III.

Yep. And used will likely be the only way to get a 5D3 soon -- it will be discontinued on/around the timing of the announcement of the 6D2.

- A

 

[TedBedlam]

I have a question that's probably dumb but a lot of folks on here seem smarter than me and might have some decent insight if I can avoid ridicule for my naivety - would the 6DII easily be able to match GH4 footage in post (or vice versa)? I am planning on a 6DII purchase since I need Canon color science to remain relevant as a second shooter at weddings but 40% of my work is still video oriented so I'd like to use it to add to the versatility of my current gear. Luckily, with a metabones, the lenses can be used for both so my main concern will be if the footage quality can be matched.

Also, I am super broke and suck at LUTs. LUTs of suckage if you will. Thanks in advance for the insight! Hopefully this isn't too spammy.

 

[coldmist]

I really wish Canon would announce the Mark II already. I'm growing very impatient as I currently have a t5i that I'm itching to upgrade. I'm wanting to go full frame and I have a set of FF primes but I can't bring myself to buy the original 6D despite how cheap it's gotten because of it's AF system and the Mark II looming.

I hope the Mark II will basically be a full frame version of the 80D and have an interchangeable focus screen.

 

[Otara]

There's a clear price difference between used and new. If you look at it that way, when purchase decision time comes, apart from the specs, you can't forget the adjectives for their condition -- so it'll be between a new 6D II and a used 5D III.

Yep. And used will likely be the only way to get a 5D3 soon -- it will be discontinued on/around the timing of the announcement of the 6D2.

- A

You keep saying this as if the market will roll over and accept it if they see a markedly worse option selling instead of a better older model, regardless of whether its still sold new or not. Just having a slightly better sensor wont cut it with where sensors are generally at now.

If nothing else, a lot of grumpiness and bad press will occur. We'll have to wait and see but Ill be very surprised if the 5d3 isnt the benchmark it will be compared against, for better or worse.

 

[Don Haines]

There's a clear price difference between used and new. If you look at it that way, when purchase decision time comes, apart from the specs, you can't forget the adjectives for their condition -- so it'll be between a new 6D II and a used 5D III.

Yep. And used will likely be the only way to get a 5D3 soon -- it will be discontinued on/around the timing of the announcement of the 6D2.

- A

You keep saying this as if the market will roll over and accept it if they see a markedly worse option selling instead of a better older model, regardless of whether its still sold new or not. Just having a slightly better sensor wont cut it with where sensors are generally at now.

If nothing else, a lot of grumpiness and bad press will occur. We'll have to wait and see but Ill be very surprised if the 5d3 isnt the benchmark it will be compared against, for better or worse.

Actually...... Since they no longer make the 5D3, they will continue to sell it until the stocks run out.....

 

[bdunbar79]

I wasn't aware the 5D3 was discontinued?

 

[IglooEater]

I wasn't aware the 5D3 was discontinued?

Not in terms of sales, yet. But over and over, canon has discontinued models shortly after it's respective successor hit the market. Production of the 5D iii has almost certainly been ended, in the sense that they're not making any more. However there is plenty of unsold inventory that will be around for a while yet. Discontinuation is just not the kind of thing they announce.

 

[vrpanorama]

I have owned a canon 6d, and replace it with a canon 5dsr, which I am really happy with. What I am missing the dynamic range that had the 6d in my opinion. If I was to consider the canon 6D II it will have to score better in dynamic range than other camera. In fact my only wish list for this camera is that the sensor should be as good as the sony sensor, and I do not care about video.

 

[cszy67]

Anyone have a reasonable estimate on how much the 6D will drop once the IIs are released?

 

[Mikehit]

in UK the 6D price is about 15% higher than it was 2 years ago (according to camerapricebuster website) but those are prices at authorised dealers. So it is anybody's guess.

 

[rfdesigner]

Anyone have a reasonable estimate on how much the 6D will drop once the IIs are released?

I doubt it will drop below what I paid (£840, new).

 

[Maiaibing]

I have owned a canon 6d, and replace it with a canon 5dsr, which I am really happy with. What I am missing the dynamic range that had the 6d in my opinion.

?? 5DS/R dynamic range is somewhat better than on the 6D.

 

[rfdesigner]

I have owned a canon 6d, and replace it with a canon 5dsr, which I am really happy with. What I am missing the dynamic range that had the 6d in my opinion.

?? 5DS/R dynamic range is somewhat better than on the 6D.

not per pixel or from ISO800 and up when you down res the 5Ds to 20Mpix (fair comparison).

 

[slclick]

That other rumor site says it will be announced 4/21, but it's that other site, not this one.

 

[avia67]

hope soonest

 

[Maiaibing]

I have owned a canon 6d, and replace it with a canon 5dsr, which I am really happy with. What I am missing the dynamic range that had the 6d in my opinion.

?? 5DS/R dynamic range is somewhat better than on the 6D.

not per pixel or from ISO800 and up when you down res the 5Ds to 20Mpix (fair comparison).

You do not need to downsample anything.

5DS/R has higher DR than the 6D until iso 1200. After that they are practically alike.