Where is the EOS 5D Mark IV? [CR2]

DonS said:
Why keep the same name? These are really all different cameras. Why not the mythical 3D and a 4D and the 5D Mk IV? Why all variations of the 5D? I know they will all use the same body, but they are really different cameras.

Because having a camera called a "3D" that didn't actually shoot in 3D makes no sense
 
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An alternate theory: there was rumor of a March announce date. When the 5DS/5DSr details slipped everyone just assumed March was the launch date. As best as I can tell...there were never any rumors to that effect, just assumptions. It wouldn't be totally surprising to see a 5D Mark IV announced in that time frame.

Selfishly, I hope that whatever the case is, they release it for sale prior to early October. I've got a 15 day trip to London/South Africa and although my 5D Mark II is a great camera, would far prefer the latest and greatest to take with me on such a trip.
 
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ejenner said:
I don't really need anything more than the 5DIII, but I'm going to start saving in case this has Sony-like DR. Instead of getting a new release 2-3 years after the release, this might just be one I get quickly.

My hopes:

24-28 Mp
4k video
8fps
Sony-like DR at base ISO (no banding etc...)
$3500

That would definitely be enough to get be buying quickly. Even with 22Mp and no 4k I'd jump on it.


If it does 8fps @ 28mp with the iTR AF/meter along with really low noise, I'd buy one. I'd pre-order one, and I never do that. That would make it an AWESOME FF action camera with an extremely good frame rate and tons of resolution that could then easily double as another AWESOME FF landscape camera with extremely good tttmnbso*. That would also mean it would compete pretty head on with the 1D X...which is why I don't see the 5D series getting a truly high frame rate AND great tttmnbso yet...


* TTTMNBSO: The thing that must not be spoken of :o
 
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unfocused said:
I certainly hope it has a touch screen and wi-fi. It's long past time for these features to be integrated into upper end cameras.

I rather hope it has neither. To make the WiFi work they would likely have to compromise construction, and a touch screen on a camera that rests against ones nose seems undesirable.

I would like to see interchangeable screens (I do a lot of manual focus), much higher ISO (please give me a useable 102K), an SD slot that isn't crippled, and dual pixel auto focus for video.

And no increase in introductory price...
 
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privatebydesign said:
dilbert said:
And we all know that Canon doesn't design products that internally could be seen to compete.

Well explain the 5D MkII that killed the $7,000 1Ds MkIII for all but a very few purchasers, or the 70D that must have had a big impact on 7D sales.


Well, I don't know what Canon's thinking has been. However if we look at the camera lines since the 1Ds III. Canon merged the split 1D line into a single line with the 1D X. They released a single 5D III that seemed to fill a different, and higher, position and price bracket than the 5D II. They released the 6D. They are now apparently releasing the 5Ds and 5D IV as a split line, again fitting into what appears to be that higher position in Canon's pro-grade lineup.


The 70D came so long after the 7D, with the 7D II not all that far behind. Perhaps Canon simply did not care about the ancient 7D classic at that point?


Perhaps their intention all along was to kill off the 1Ds and replace it with the 5Ds. Companies like Canon always have big, long-term plans.
 
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TAF said:
unfocused said:
I certainly hope it has a touch screen and wi-fi. It's long past time for these features to be integrated into upper end cameras.

I rather hope it has neither. To make the WiFi work they would likely have to compromise construction, and a touch screen on a camera that rests against ones nose seems undesirable.

Have you ever used the Rebel with the touch screen? The touch screen does not go active until the Q button is pressed. So unless your nose is able to press it first, you don't have to worry about having the touch screen on the camera.
 
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Site-note:
Old news... four is considered to be an unlucky number.
Wiki:"Four is sometimes pronounced shi, which is also the word for death."
I guess the "four" is not a common Japanese number at all. There are not a lot v4 models ;o)
I'm curious how they will name the successor of the mark3
/end site-note
 
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drs said:
Site-note:
Old news... four is considered to be an unlucky number.
Wiki:"Four is sometimes pronounced shi, which is also the word for death."
I guess the "four" is not a common Japanese number at all. There are not a lot v4 models ;o)
I'm curious how they will name the successor of the mark3
/end site-note

That explains why there was no 1D Mark IV.

Oh wait...
 
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when I had my 5D Mark II, I remember the wait for the 5D Mark III release seemed interminable ... could not wait to trade up for the Mark III because of shortcomings in frame rate, autofocus, and to a lesser extent, the higher ISO capabilities.

now that I've got the 5D Mark III, I was actually surprised to hear that Canon was about the release a Mark IV. it feels like I only bought my Mark III a year ago, even though apparently I've owned it for 3 years already! guess I've found my "good-enough" camera. will look into trading up to a Mark IV if it really is a stunner, but even then it wouldn't be a sure thing. I think my wish list would be more about the little things that most consumers reading spec lists gloss over, which means it's unlikely we'll see any of these:

ability to actually use max speed on SD card memory slot
1/320 flash sync speed
7D weathersealing
3 second pre-record cache in movie mode
flash trigger in live view
2/3-stop improvement in dynamic range
built-in wifi module
7 FPS high speed shooting
 
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Lee Jay said:
drs said:
Site-note:
Old news... four is considered to be an unlucky number.
Wiki:"Four is sometimes pronounced shi, which is also the word for death."
I guess the "four" is not a common Japanese number at all. There are not a lot v4 models ;o)
I'm curious how they will name the successor of the mark3
/end site-note

That explains why there was no 1D Mark IV.

Oh wait...
In Japanese there is another word for 4 (e.g. Ichi, Ni, San, Yon, Go... )
 
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This is what I'd like to see from Canon's upgrades:

6D Mark-II - Casual/Landscape/Travel (Target price $2,200)
High Resolution DPAF CMOS sensor
Maximum Resolution: 39.4 Megapixels (7692 x 5124)
Native ISO range: 64-25,600
Expanded ISO range: 32-102,400
3.5fps (100,000 actuations)
41pt AF (all cross-type)
Centre AF point is high precision dual-cross-type with f/2.8 lenses
Memory Card: SD-U3/U1 compatible
Articulating touch LCD
Wifi 802.11ac
GPS + Compass
2560x1440 @24/25/30p
1920x1080 @24/25/30/50/60p
1280x720 @24/25/30/50/60/100/120p

5D-IV - Wedding/Events/Sports/Wildlife/HD-Video (Target price $3,500)
DPAF BSI-CMOS sensor
20.2 Megapixels (5502 x 3668)
Native ISO range: 64-51,200
Expanded ISO range: 32-204,800
10fps (200,000 actuations)
71pt AF (all cross-type)
15pt active with max aperture of f/8
Dual SD card slots (U3/U1 compatible)
GPS + Compass
2560x1440 @24/25/30/50/60p
1920x1080 @24/25/30/50/60p
1280x720 @24/25/30/50/60/100/120p
5120x2160 @24p (external recorder)
Wifi module included in battery grip

5Ds - Studio/Portrait (Target price $4,200)
Tri-layer Sensor (16bit/channel)
64.3 Megasensels (5670 x 3780 x 3 layers)
3fps
ISO 64-2000 (expanded 32-8000)
Electronic global shutter
Dual SD card slots (U3 compatible)
35pt AF (all cross-type)
Wifi 802.11ac
Built-in Speedlite Transmitter

1D-C Mark-II - Wedding/Events/Sports/Wildlife/4K-Video (Target price $8,000)
High Resolution DPAF CMOS sensor
39.4 Megapixels (7692 x 5124)
12fps
16fps (with Mirror Lockup) in 1.3x crop mode (23.31MP)
Native ISO range: 64-51,200
Expanded ISO range: 32-102,400
71pt AF (all cross-type)
21pt available with f/8 max aperture
Electronic global shutter
2560x1440 @24/25/30/50/60p
3840x2160 @24/25/30p (50i/60i)
7560x3240 @24p (external recorder)
 
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StudentOfLight said:
This is what I'd like to see from Canon's upgrades:

6D Mark-II - Casual/Landscape/Travel (Target price $2,200)
High Resolution DPAF CMOS sensor
Maximum Resolution: 39.4 Megapixels (7692 x 5124)
Native ISO range: 64-25,600
Expanded ISO range: 32-102,400
3.5fps (100,000 actuations)
41pt AF (all cross-type)
Centre AF point is high precision dual-cross-type with f/2.8 lenses
Memory Card: SD-U3/U1 compatible
Articulating touch LCD
Wifi 802.11ac
GPS + Compass
2560x1440 @24/25/30p
1920x1080 @24/25/30/50/60p
1280x720 @24/25/30/50/60/100/120p

5D-IV - Wedding/Events/Sports/Wildlife/HD-Video (Target price $3,500)
DPAF BSI-CMOS sensor
20.2 Megapixels (5502 x 3668)
Native ISO range: 64-51,200
Expanded ISO range: 32-204,800
10fps (200,000 actuations)
71pt AF (all cross-type)
15pt active with max aperture of f/8
Dual SD card slots (U3/U1 compatible)
GPS + Compass
2560x1440 @24/25/30/50/60p
1920x1080 @24/25/30/50/60p
1280x720 @24/25/30/50/60/100/120p
5120x2160 @24p (external recorder)
Wifi module included in battery grip

5Ds - Studio/Portrait (Target price $4,200)
Tri-layer Sensor (16bit/channel)
64.3 Megasensels (5670 x 3780 x 3 layers)
3fps
ISO 64-2000 (expanded 32-8000)
Electronic global shutter
Dual SD card slots (U3 compatible)
35pt AF (all cross-type)
Wifi 802.11ac
Built-in Speedlite Transmitter

1D-C Mark-II - Wedding/Events/Sports/Wildlife/4K-Video (Target price $8,000)
High Resolution DPAF CMOS sensor
39.4 Megapixels (7692 x 5124)
12fps
16fps (with Mirror Lockup) in 1.3x crop mode (23.31MP)
Native ISO range: 64-51,200
Expanded ISO range: 32-102,400
71pt AF (all cross-type)
21pt available with f/8 max aperture
Electronic global shutter
2560x1440 @24/25/30/50/60p
3840x2160 @24/25/30p (50i/60i)
7560x3240 @24p (external recorder)
You have a fertile imagination ...
 
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cnardo said:
Can somebody explain what 1.3x and 1.6x crop modes are? Does the camera have a 1.3 and 1.6 extenders built into the camera like some of the higher end L lens have?

No, it just crops (records only those pixels in the center of the frame like a crop body).
 
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cnardo said:
So it puts the entire image coming thru the lens on a small subset of the FF sensor....thereby give you a telephoto effect like if was a H or APS-C sensor?

No, it just crops. It removes the areas around the edges. That's all. Same as APS-H or APS-C but with all the same pixel size. So, no reach advantage, just a file size advantage (and possibly a speed advantage, but we don't know that yet).
 
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