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Obaidey
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You are both right.
EF70-200mm f/2.8L IS II USM Was launched in March 2010, not 2001
My mistake
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Apologies, I have corrected it
http://www.canon.com/camera-museum/camera/lens/ef/data/telephoto_zoom/ef_70~200_28lis_ii_usm.html
EF70-200mm f/2.8L IS II USM Was launched in March 2010, not 2001
My mistake
Typo
Apologies, I have corrected it
http://www.canon.com/camera-museum/camera/lens/ef/data/telephoto_zoom/ef_70~200_28lis_ii_usm.html
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Cgdillan
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DigitalRev said:Hi,
Noticed that you are looking to purchase the Canon 5D Mark III, and just want to clarify that the price of £2,469.99 (current), which is all inclusive and shipping is free. With that said, you can now have a higher budget for the lenses.
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Random Orbits said:
Even if this might be contrary to some enthusiast's view "larger aperture is always better" ... is the 85L with a large open aperture really a fix for noisy sensors at bad lighting indoors?
This might be the case with the wider-angle 35L, but afaik the depth of field of the 85L is so thin (and f2.8 on my 100mm or f1.8 on 50mm is thin to begin with) that it's great for carefully composed artistic portraits, but it is a bit misleading to suggest for your average indoors (or portrait) shot "f2.8 with IS too slow? Just take f1.2!".
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I would recommend starting by picking the ONE lens that gets you most excited. For some it is the dreamy 85L. For others it is the amazing versatility of the 100L macro. For many it is the all-around magic (and bargain) of the 135L.
Pick that one lens, and then work the rest of your quiver around it. Don't get fooled into thinking that three lenses will ever give you perfect coverage. Because they won't. The reason why you got so many responses is that choosing lenses ALWAYS requires a compromise, even for those who have every lens (and sherpas to carry them).
Let's say you choose the 100L as your most exciting prime. In that case, it would probably make sense to decide between 24/50/100 or 24/100/180. If you went with that last one, I think most everyone on here would agree that it would make sense to get the 70-200 instead of the 180.
Aside from that, I usually just ditto what neuro says.
Pick that one lens, and then work the rest of your quiver around it. Don't get fooled into thinking that three lenses will ever give you perfect coverage. Because they won't. The reason why you got so many responses is that choosing lenses ALWAYS requires a compromise, even for those who have every lens (and sherpas to carry them).
Let's say you choose the 100L as your most exciting prime. In that case, it would probably make sense to decide between 24/50/100 or 24/100/180. If you went with that last one, I think most everyone on here would agree that it would make sense to get the 70-200 instead of the 180.
Aside from that, I usually just ditto what neuro says.
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Marsu42 said:
Sometimes you just don't have a choice because you can't control the lighting. Shot my kids preschool show last night using a 70-200 f/2.8 on a 5DII at ISO 3200 and was only getting shutter times of about 1/30-1/60s most of the time. I was in the second row, but the stage is large, so I couldn't use my fast 50mm prime, and my flash won't reach well. If I'm only concerned about one subject, I'd gladly trade thinner DOF for speed. Zooms give you composing options, primes give you DOF/shutter speed options. It is up to the user to make that trade to determine what setting combination will produce the desired effect.
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Obaidey said:
Based on what you told us at the beginning, Full Frame, Best in Class Glass, Primarily Indoor Shooting w/o Flash, you should consider the following trio (they are all sharp, light and fast with great AF speed):
24 f/1.4L II - This will suit your Interior, Architecture and Landscape needs beautifully.
50 f/1.2L - This will also suit your Interior, Architecture and Landscape needs beautifully, but with a different point of view (great for Video also).
135 f/2L - Though not on your list, this lens will easily support your Sports, Video and Macro needs very well and is a great portrait lens.
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IIIHobbs said:
When advising this for "macro", we need to clarify what "macro" really means: it's not shooting your average flower which you can certainly do with any 135L or 70-200L just fine, but "macro" is targeting 1:1 when the internal mechanism that only real macro lenses have goes to work, boosting magnification and sending the actual aperture down the drain. And for e.g. shooting an insect and resolving the distinct insect eyes, you need a real macro or a mpe65.
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Macro's are 1:1 with little to no magnification.Marsu42 said:
Depth of field doesn't just depend on aperture. For example, dof is very thin with an 85mm f/1.2 at 5ft (less than an inch) but at 15 foot the dof is almost a foot -- comparable to f/4 at 8 foot. So sometimes it can help you get more shutter speed.
However, if you need more depth of field, it's generally useful to have a flash. I suspect it's common for enthusiasts to go through an intermediate phase where they have figured out that point and shoot flashes are awful, but haven't yet figured out how flash, when used effectively (which generally means not blasting it directly in the subject's face), can improve both the quantity and quality of the lighting.
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elflord said:
You're correct of course, I always mistake indoors for "close quarters" and portraits for closer-up distance, both generating a thin dof. But shooting group portraits, a large stage or a church do qualify as "indoors", too.
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Marsu42 said:
Truth (not a Macro; agree).
With the percentage for Macro use listed as 5%, I suspect that the 100 and 180 Macro Lenses will be used much more often as standard telephoto lenses by the OP and therefore offered the 135 as an alternative for better performance in the greater area of use.
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Results
I took the plunge
Finally
Thank you for all your advice
After settling on buying my DSLR, 5D III, I was initially wondering which 3 primes to buy with it
So, I asked you for advice
I bought the 5D Mark III, as already planned
But, not body only
I bought it, with kit lens, following the advice of so many of forum members
Yes, you convinced me
The whole package cost me £2608, from e-infinity in Hong Kong (It included all duties and Tax), on eBay
That is around £1000 cheaper than Jessops
Here, is just under 2 minutes of silent video, showing the box unpacking, and includes a written description of my buying experience on YouTube
Please skip it if you are not a camera anorak, and get annoyed easily. It reminds me of watching paint dry.
Bought from E-infinity. Box contents: Canon EOS 5D Mark III + 24-105 f/4L IS USM Kit lens صامت
As you know, initially, I was thinking of just buying primes
I asked for advice
And, a certain non-prime kept appearing in your messages
It was the Canon 24-105 f/4 L
I initially thought "f/4?, what? No way!"
Which shows you my ignorance, and the desperate need of the likes of me, to seek advice
What really clinched it for me, are 3 main things
1- As mentioned, the repeated suggestion of the 24-105 f/4, which was not even in my initial list. It kept coming up in many forum members replies
2- As a video lens, which I was planning to use as a significant proportion, you do not want to use a wide open lens. So, anything wider than f/4, will have a very narrow depth of field, and probably have only a part of subject in focus. Then, with any movement, this will go out of focus. Especially that the 5D III (unlike the 650D, which is a bit surprising), does not autofocus on video mode
In addition, with video, you will not be able to tell the difference between top of range and a much cheaper lens, even in highest resolution HD (Note to self: 650D is probably a much better choice for video, with its swivel screen and autofocus on the move. Sadly, neither is available on 5D III, for unknown reasons)
3- This message, made a lot of sense
As a beginner, I had no clue which focal length I will be using, most
So, with a 24-105 zoom, and after a while of use, I can check which focal length I was choosing most, then buy the relevant prime
I really wished that the 85mm, comes up as one of my frequent uses
Unfortunately, whenever I check, it seems to be around the 50mm, which I keep choosing again and again, unconsciously
There are other quotes that tempted me into buying the kit lens
So, thank you for all
OK
I already bought my 5D III with 24-105 L Kit lens
A 100L Macro is on its way (bought from the same dealer, for £569)
A 50/1.2L may be the next step
For video, who knows, I may buy a 650D (or 700D next year), and stick my 24-105 on it all the time, then use it as a video-camera and a holiday workhorse, while keeping the 5D III and the primes for more artistic leisurely use
Results
I took the plunge
Finally
Thank you for all your advice
After settling on buying my DSLR, 5D III, I was initially wondering which 3 primes to buy with it
So, I asked you for advice
I bought the 5D Mark III, as already planned
But, not body only
I bought it, with kit lens, following the advice of so many of forum members
Yes, you convinced me
The whole package cost me £2608, from e-infinity in Hong Kong (It included all duties and Tax), on eBay
That is around £1000 cheaper than Jessops
Here, is just under 2 minutes of silent video, showing the box unpacking, and includes a written description of my buying experience on YouTube
Please skip it if you are not a camera anorak, and get annoyed easily. It reminds me of watching paint dry.
Bought from E-infinity. Box contents: Canon EOS 5D Mark III + 24-105 f/4L IS USM Kit lens صامت
As you know, initially, I was thinking of just buying primes
I asked for advice
And, a certain non-prime kept appearing in your messages
It was the Canon 24-105 f/4 L
I initially thought "f/4?, what? No way!"
Which shows you my ignorance, and the desperate need of the likes of me, to seek advice
What really clinched it for me, are 3 main things
1- As mentioned, the repeated suggestion of the 24-105 f/4, which was not even in my initial list. It kept coming up in many forum members replies
2- As a video lens, which I was planning to use as a significant proportion, you do not want to use a wide open lens. So, anything wider than f/4, will have a very narrow depth of field, and probably have only a part of subject in focus. Then, with any movement, this will go out of focus. Especially that the 5D III (unlike the 650D, which is a bit surprising), does not autofocus on video mode
In addition, with video, you will not be able to tell the difference between top of range and a much cheaper lens, even in highest resolution HD (Note to self: 650D is probably a much better choice for video, with its swivel screen and autofocus on the move. Sadly, neither is available on 5D III, for unknown reasons)3- This message, made a lot of sense
What a fantastic idearobbymack said:
As a beginner, I had no clue which focal length I will be using, most
So, with a 24-105 zoom, and after a while of use, I can check which focal length I was choosing most, then buy the relevant prime
I really wished that the 85mm, comes up as one of my frequent uses
Unfortunately, whenever I check, it seems to be around the 50mm, which I keep choosing again and again, unconsciously
There are other quotes that tempted me into buying the kit lens
So, thank you for all
neuroanatomist said:
Mt Spokane Photography said:
gmrza said:
OK
I already bought my 5D III with 24-105 L Kit lens
A 100L Macro is on its way (bought from the same dealer, for £569)
A 50/1.2L may be the next step
For video, who knows, I may buy a 650D (or 700D next year), and stick my 24-105 on it all the time, then use it as a video-camera and a holiday workhorse, while keeping the 5D III and the primes for more artistic leisurely use
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IMO starting with 3 lenses is a bit crazy. Why not get one zoom (or prime) and see what focal lengths you prefer? Reading reviews is very different than actually shooting.
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Hmm, this is a fun question. If I could only keep 3 of my primes, my answer would be different because I have so many. I'll never part with my 24L. I will part with my 35L and 50L if I buy the new 24-70L II. I won't part with my 85L, nor my 135L. Going beyond that requires more specialized shooting, so I'd say I'd keep a 24L, 85L, and 135L. Expensive lineup for sure, but let's just pretend you could get them at Walmart.
Out of all of my primes, I'd keep the 24L, 85L, and 200L. IMO, the 300 and up lenses you just can't count, because anybody needing those will already be so specialized. If a 200-400L zoom lens comes out though, boy that would be interesting.
Can I just buy 3 of the 24L's and count that? ;D 
Out of all of my primes, I'd keep the 24L, 85L, and 200L. IMO, the 300 and up lenses you just can't count, because anybody needing those will already be so specialized. If a 200-400L zoom lens comes out though, boy that would be interesting.
Can I just buy 3 of the 24L's and count that? ;D
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