Why so long on the DXOMark and DPReviews?

[MarkB]

I got my 5d III the week before last. I am sure both those organizations got one from at least the first shipped batch. Why is it taking so long to come out with anything other than a preview? Are they running into issues?

I am pretty happy with the 5d3, although the wife is a little mad about the price.

I am really curious about how low the DXOMark score will be and if it is causing them to rethink their test. I just think they might worry it would damage what credibility they have if the nikon 800 had a 95 and the 5d3 had a 85 or so. They clearly are not that far apart unless the Nikon lenses are really holding them back. I don't think that is the case given he zeiss comparisons Lensrentals did.

 

[JR]

Dpreview has just posted more sample picture from the camera and their test should come shortly. Most of these guys have a pre-production unit first which allows them to post first impression and preview quicklky after launch but they then always wait for to play with a production unit for a few weeks before publishing full reviews.

Dpreview still has not done full review of d4 and d800 either. As for dxo it should come soon since they too have put a overview...

 

[prestonpalmer]

I was wondering the same thing.

 

[JR]

Given how many potential buyers will pay attention to these type of reviews (Dp review and dxo) I am sure they want to take their time and if (god forbid!) they were to find something bad or odd, they likely would give a chance to Canon to respond or maybe provide another body. Remember these reviews, once completed, will serve as reference for potential buyers for the next 3-4 years. So while we are eager to see them, I can understand why they are not done in a "rush" way...

 

[[email protected]]

Mho is that dxo might lean a little to the N ! The mark III has been out since the 22nd and still no review? Seems strange! But they were so quick to put up the d4 and especially the d800 that is still not even out yet? I think Nikon has a hand in their pocket to try to put an overwhelming positive buzz for it! Nikon doesn't want the same thing happening to them as last time when they released the 700 and a couple of months later the mark II was released! I don't really care what they score the mark III , won't sway me a bit as with most people. Fanboys just want bragging rights! Me personally I don't like the way Nikons feel in your hand! But canons IMO feels awesome! All I really wanted was a better focusing ! A 75meg file is pretty freakn huge! You are also going to need to invest in a new rig too!

 

[XanuFoto]

Mho is that dxo might lean a little to the N ! The mark III has been out since the 22nd and still no review? Seems strange! But they were so quick to put up the d4 and especially the d800 that is still not even out yet? I think Nikon has a hand in their pocket to try to put an overwhelming positive buzz for it! Nikon doesn't want the same thing happening to them as last time when they released the 700 and a couple of months later the mark II was released! I don't really care what they score the mark III , won't sway me a bit as with most people. Fanboys just want bragging rights! Me personally I don't like the way Nikons feel in your hand! But canons IMO feels awesome! All I really wanted was a better focusing ! A 75meg file is pretty freakn huge! You are also going to need to invest in a new rig too!

Nikon is a client of dxo so I expect them to have Nikon equipment before any body

 

[XanuFoto]

Given how many potential buyers will pay attention to these type of reviews (Dp review and dxo) I am sure they want to take their time and if (god forbid!) they were to find something bad or odd, they likely would give a chance to Canon to respond or maybe provide another body. Remember these reviews, once completed, will serve as reference for potential buyers for the next 3-4 years. So while we are eager to see them, I can understand why they are not done in a "rush" way...

Do you think if someone is invested thousands in Canon glass and knows the new AF allows him/her to get more keepers, he/she is gonna wait for the dxo ratings. How many new buyers who are geeks rather then photographers who would care about the dxo ratings. Just wondering. Do you have any market research numbers on this?

 

[marekjoz]

Given how many potential buyers will pay attention to these type of reviews (Dp review and dxo) I am sure they want to take their time and if (god forbid!) they were to find something bad or odd, they likely would give a chance to Canon to respond or maybe provide another body. Remember these reviews, once completed, will serve as reference for potential buyers for the next 3-4 years. So while we are eager to see them, I can understand why they are not done in a "rush" way...

Do you think if someone is invested thousands in Canon glass and knows the new AF allows him/her to get more keepers, he/she is gonna wait for the dxo ratings. How many new buyers who are geeks rather then photographers who would care about the dxo ratings. Just wondering. Do you have any market research numbers on this?

I'd say that there is quite a lot of people justifying their buy with statement "this is the best camera in the world"
Also it may be easier for some to justify their work before a client with the same statement.
And according to previous discussion on DXO ratings, If I were conspiracy theory believer I'd say that we'll wait some more time for their test but only if no1 holder was to change after the test

 

[[email protected]]

I did not know that about dxo. Makes since! So why is everyone so concerned with them scoring it? If they score it lower than the 800 most will say they are being bias!

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

I did not know that about dxo. Makes since! So why is everyone so concerned with them scoring it? If they score it lower than the 800 most will say they are being bias!

The utility of a camera body depends to a great degree on ow it will be used. DXO does a lot of testing, and reading the test results, you can decide which camera is best for your use.

When they give a overall score, it reflects their values, and is easy to be biased toward a body that matches. Read their test results, and form your own opinion.

The same goes for the DPR final score. They have done some careful and intensive testing, and that takes weeks. It can also be held up by the need for software, DPP is broken, and ADR is a release candidate but not finalized. A good review should be based on final versions of editing software, no matter how long it takes.

 

[JR]

I think some of the individual metrics DxO measures might be interesting like DR and ISO score. Yes we need to take them with a grain of salt, but since are not officially published by Canon - allbeit maybe no one might agree on the methodology - still interested to see the result personally.

Will it make me switch? No!

 

[AnselA]

If they score it lower than the 800 most will say they are being bias!

Regardless of their 5DIII score, there should be a presumption of bias given that Nikon is a DxO sponsor. Never underestimate the power of money to influence outcomes.

I may be alone here, but only if the testing design was purposely shaped around what Nikon is strong at, would I agree with you. After that, I have to believe this company just honestly carries out their tests.

 

[iso79]

I didn't wait for either and enjoying my MKIII immensely ;D

 

[well_dunno]

It can also be held up by the need for software, DPP is broken, and ADR is a release candidate but not finalized. A good review should be based on final versions of editing software, no matter how long it takes.

+1 to that

 

[Tcapp]

I may be alone here, but only if the testing design was purposely shaped around what Nikon is strong at, would I agree with you. After that, I have to believe this company just honestly carries out their tests.

That may be true. However, there are other ways to demonstrate bias. For example, not coming out with a timely review.

If they wanted to be perceived as being impartial, they should not take advertising funds from the manufacturers that they review. It is as simple as that.

If i owned that site, I would take advertising dollars from whoever wanted to give it to me. If being biased and taking money gives them a bigger bottom line, you can bet your butt thats what they are going to do. If being unbiased and attracting a few more visitors made them more money, then they would turn that advertising down.

It's all about money. DXO is just like any other business.

 

[JR]

I just hope they are beeing impartial in the way they actually perform the tests...

 

[Tcapp]

It's all about money. DXO is just like any other business.

Sounds great, although some businesses are held to a different standard. Credit rating agencies come to mind. It begs the question: why do people on this site care about DXO's rating for the 5DIII if there is an inherent conflict of interest? They are a business after all.

People are often unable to form their own opinions. Sad state of affairs.

 

[Viggo]

I'm out writing my own opinion about the 5d3. It doesn't involve one single written word. It's the fact that the images I got this easter of my kids, couldn't be done the way they were with anything else. That's all I care about. :

Buy one, get used to it, like it or sell it. That is the only thing that will tell you for certain.

 

[Tcapp]

I'm out writing my own opinion about the 5d3. It doesn't involve one single written word. It's the fact that the images I got this easter of my kids, couldn't be done the way they were with anything else. That's all I care about. :

Buy one, get used to it, like it or sell it. That is the only thing that will tell you for certain.

+8374

 

[JR]

I'm out writing my own opinion about the 5d3. It doesn't involve one single written word. It's the fact that the images I got this easter of my kids, couldn't be done the way they were with anything else. That's all I care about. :

Buy one, get used to it, like it or sell it. That is the only thing that will tell you for certain.

Well said...in the end it is about taking pictures!