Why the Japan hate Canon

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Even if I buy my house in US and have it shipped over here in Sweden then I still pay less for it ""IF"" the customs make me pay custom-fee and VAT.

It's about $500 less than what I will have to pay here.
And if I pass through customs without paying the VAT then there is a $1250 saving for me.
 
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shunsai said:
squarebox said:
So where the 5dIII is selling for $3500 USD in the states... Those of us in Japan get it at the lovely price of $4100 at today's exchange rates... This is why I buy all my canon stuff from the states... Was figuring it was goign to be more normalized with current exchange rates.. but apparantly not.

i feel you brother. i'm in osaka. what part are you in? any idea what the customs or VAT or whatever is for importing a 5D3 (back) to Japan? I'm gonna have to get my family in the states to ship it to me out here. $3500 works out to like 290,000 yen. That's pretty significant compared to 358,000 yen.

I'm in Nagoya. I recently bought a 35L from B&H and had it shipped directly to Japan and it worked out to about 4000 yen on a 9man lens... So it seems it is just the normal, current, sales tax of 5%.

for those of you wondering, the 35L sells for about $1700 USD... hence why i picked it up in the u.s. for the cheap cheap price of $1200.
 
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shunsai said:
squarebox said:
So where the 5dIII is selling for $3500 USD in the states... Those of us in Japan get it at the lovely price of $4100 at today's exchange rates... This is why I buy all my canon stuff from the states... Was figuring it was goign to be more normalized with current exchange rates.. but apparantly not.

i feel you brother. i'm in osaka. what part are you in? any idea what the customs or VAT or whatever is for importing a 5D3 (back) to Japan? I'm gonna have to get my family in the states to ship it to me out here. $3500 works out to like 290,000 yen. That's pretty significant compared to 358,000 yen.

forgot to mention, my mom shipped out two lenses for me a few months ago and i paid no tax on them. But i think you are playing the lottery with that. If they decide to tax you or not. But if you ship it to your parents, you might have to pay american sales tax which is higher than Japan's anyways, so just ship it direct. B&H shipping was stupid fast (got it in a week) and was cheap, only $35 for three lens with filters and hoods
 
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Sorry to take this even more off-topic, but Squarebox, I live in Hiroshima, and I ship lenses to my parents, but have been relying on waiting for people to bring things when they come on trips. Right now, I have a 2x extender, an 85L, and several other things sitting at my parents house waiting for a friend to come to Japan. How much did your mother mark the value of the lenses when shipping?
 
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rambarra said:
comparison of euro vs USD prices make little sense since in most european countries we have a thing called VAT !
It's a hefty +20% (depending on countries) in taxes only

So if you take 3299 EUR MSRP, make -20% from there it goes 2640 EUR, which at today's rate is 3511 USD
so no surpriese here!
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While your are in general right about VAT in European countries (which comes on top of income taxes which tend to be higher than in most of the rest of the world, BTW... >:( ), the math is

netPrice * (1 + VAT) = resalePrice

making the base price

netPrice = resalePrice / (1 + VAT)

Taking your 20% VAT (from Austria? :)) as an example, this translates to

netPrice = resalePrice / 1,2

which is not the same as subtracting 20%, but more like subtracting 16,6%.
Subtracting 20% would translate to 25% VAT, which is the unfortunate truth for some of our fellow Europeans.

Sorry for being pedantic. ;)

So for Germany with its 19% VAT that translates to roughly 16%, which turns those whopping 3300€ with VAT (at today's exchange rates that is ~4375 USD) into "merely" 2775€ or 3675USD.
Which indeed isn't that much more then the 3500$ in the US.
If you now consider that there is indeed a VAT in most US states (the range is from 0% to 13% according to Wikipedia), we Europeans might indeed not be that bad off, but for some reason one of the US guys can probably explain much better, consumers are usually not charged VAT when buying goods online or across state borders.
I feel much more shafted as a consumer when I compare prices of,e.g., European cars in Europe to those asked for the same cars in the US. Usually the money you pay for the bare model with the smallest engine gets you near the top-end engine and extras in the US. So its not the Japanese electronics companies screwing over the Europeans, but the European car manufactures ripping off their mates. :(
 
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Here in Australia, we have a 10%GST (same as VAT), however, if I buy something for my business, and I do need to take photos of my products to send to customers and put them up on my website, then I get the GST back.
Retail price of a 5D3 in a big camera retailer like Digital Camera Warehouse is A$3999 (about US$4199), and if I deduct the GST charged on this I end up paying A$3635.45 (US$3817.22).
A bit higher than in the US, but I figure the local warranty is worth that much, and you can find cheaper retailers too.
But as far as luxury cars are concerned, we are REALLY ripped off over here.
A Porsche 911 Carrera for example, sells for around US$75K in the US, but here, the base model is well over A$230K!!!
And you know why?
Because you can't import a new Porsche and get it registered in OZ, because it won't have a local compliance plate so it can't be registered, even though it is exactly the same car as sold in the UK etc (right hand drive).
The funny thing is that import duty on new cars is only 5%, GST 10%, so where the hell does this huge difference come from?

Like Europe, we in Oz get virtually unlimited free health cover and when we get old, we get a government pension, as long as you aren't rich, so we are somewhere inbetween the US and Europe as far as social benefits go, and our minimum wage is around A$20 per hour, which is about 3 times what the minimum wage is in the US, hence some part of why we pay more for some goods.
 
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squarebox said:
So where the 5dIII is selling for $3500 USD in the states... Those of us in Japan get it at the lovely price of $4100 at today's exchange rates... This is why I buy all my canon stuff from the states... Was figuring it was goign to be more normalized with current exchange rates.. but apparantly not.

don't forget the US quote prices not including taxes....
 
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dmills said:
Sorry to take this even more off-topic, but Squarebox, I live in Hiroshima, and I ship lenses to my parents, but have been relying on waiting for people to bring things when they come on trips. Right now, I have a 2x extender, an 85L, and several other things sitting at my parents house waiting for a friend to come to Japan. How much did your mother mark the value of the lenses when shipping?

She just wrote the value as is for insurance reasons. This is just supposition, but I think the way it goes is that new goods get taxed. Goods that you have owned before and have used aren't taxed. This is how it works in Jamaica at least when bringing stuff there.
 
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Bennymiata said:
Here in Australia, we have a 10%GST (same as VAT), however, if I buy something for my business, and I do need to take photos of my products to send to customers and put them up on my website, then I get the GST back.
Retail price of a 5D3 in a big camera retailer like Digital Camera Warehouse is A$3999 (about US$4199), and if I deduct the GST charged on this I end up paying A$3635.45 (US$3817.22).
A bit higher than in the US, but I figure the local warranty is worth that much, and you can find cheaper retailers too.
But as far as luxury cars are concerned, we are REALLY ripped off over here.
A Porsche 911 Carrera for example, sells for around US$75K in the US, but here, the base model is well over A$230K!!!
And you know why?
Because you can't import a new Porsche and get it registered in OZ, because it won't have a local compliance plate so it can't be registered, even though it is exactly the same car as sold in the UK etc (right hand drive).
The funny thing is that import duty on new cars is only 5%, GST 10%, so where the hell does this huge difference come from?

Like Europe, we in Oz get virtually unlimited free health cover and when we get old, we get a government pension, as long as you aren't rich, so we are somewhere inbetween the US and Europe as far as social benefits go, and our minimum wage is around A$20 per hour, which is about 3 times what the minimum wage is in the US, hence some part of why we pay more for some goods.

Not sure to the truth to this, but i thought that Australia had a 100% luxury tax on goods over $50k or something?
 
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squarebox said:
I'm in Nagoya. I recently bought a 35L from B&H and had it shipped directly to Japan and it worked out to about 4000 yen on a 9man lens... So it seems it is just the normal, current, sales tax of 5%.

for those of you wondering, the 35L sells for about $1700 USD... hence why i picked it up in the u.s. for the cheap cheap price of $1200.

9 man is quite cheap for that lens. B&H has it listed for $1,379 (plus tax, and after instant rebate). Sounds like you got a good deal, in any case.

Bennymiata said:
Here in Australia, we have a 10%GST (same as VAT), however, if I buy something for my business, and I do need to take photos of my products to send to customers and put them up on my website, then I get the GST back.

In the US we have tax deductions instead; if you buy something whose primary use is for business, then instead of getting the sales tax back, we get to subtract the cost of the item from our taxable income (so it's as if we never made that money in the first place). Depending on how rich you are that could be a bigger savings than sales tax, but there's potential legal liability involved if you declare items like that for a self-run business, so it's not really as big a loophole as it sounds.

Grummbeerbauer said:
If you now consider that there is indeed a VAT in most US states (the range is from 0% to 13% according to Wikipedia), we Europeans might indeed not be that bad off, but for some reason one of the US guys can probably explain much better, consumers are usually not charged VAT when buying goods online or across state borders.

It's super complicated! The one thing that's true everywhere is that for most consumer goods, the tax is not included in the sticker price (which I believe needs to change...), but aside from that there are a lot of differences, because taxes can be set at both the state and county levels, which is even more complicated because the states are federated while the counties are devolved!

In California, New York, and most of the other densely populated places in the US have a sales tax rate between 8% and 9%. 0% sales tax only exists in five states and is mostly a ploy to get people to come live there; they have higher other taxes (primarily property tax) to make up the lost income.

However, the rules for when sales tax is charged are also very complicated. Some items are immune to sales tax, like unprocessed groceries (fruits, vegetables, some meats, etc.). Most items are taxed, but if you purchase from out of state then even taxed items are sometimes not taxable. Usually it has to do with some "place of business" legal clauses. If you buy an item in the store, it is taxed, but if you have it shipped to another state, then it is only taxed if the destination address is a state in which the company selling it does business. So for example, I can order an item from B&H or Amazon and pay no sales tax, but if I order from Newegg or Canon I do pay normal taxes. This is problematic because it gives certain companies (read: Amazon) an enormous advantage on the sales of high-value items, since people in many states can save about 9% by buying there instead of in their local camera store. This is a big contributor to why all the local stores are going or gone out of business.

Whew, that was more than I intended to write.
 
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Positron said:
squarebox said:
I'm in Nagoya. I recently bought a 35L from B&H and had it shipped directly to Japan and it worked out to about 4000 yen on a 9man lens... So it seems it is just the normal, current, sales tax of 5%.

for those of you wondering, the 35L sells for about $1700 USD... hence why i picked it up in the u.s. for the cheap cheap price of $1200.

9 man is quite cheap for that lens. B&H has it listed for $1,379 (plus tax, and after instant rebate). Sounds like you got a good deal, in any case.

I bought back in January when it was 78 JPY to USD and it was on sale in the US (another thing the rest of the world doesn't get) for something like $200 off. Then no Tax. So when i picked it up i believe it was $1200 or something at the time.
 
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Squarebox, we do have a Luxury Car Tax in Oz, for cars costing more than $57,466.
The tax is calculated at 33% of the pre-tax price for the value above $57,466, so this only goes a small way in trying to work out why luxury cars cost so much here.
So if you buy a car worth say $100K, you pay 33% Luxury tax on A$42,534 or $14,036.22 extra, but we don't have a gas guzzler tax like you do in the US, hence the poularity here for large 6's and V8's.
Mind you, cars like the Corollas etc., are similarly priced here compared to the US, so it's not all bad.

If buying something for business use, we get the GST back, and we also get a depreciation allowance on our company tax, but if the item is a computer or something valued at under A$1,000, we can get a 100% depreciation allowance on it in the first year.
 
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