Will there be a 7d2 at all?
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Cameras at this level are not like the Rebels where the target market is point and shoot users wanting a upgrade. They do not issue frequent model upgrades that are basically tweaks to the firmware, but wait until there is something meaningful to add. This usually means at least three years.
So far, Nikon has not released a D400 either, but both D400 and 7D MK II will likely arrive this summer.
So far, Nikon has not released a D400 either, but both D400 and 7D MK II will likely arrive this summer.
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I've been very happy with my 7D. For me the only thing lacking is the IQ at higher ISO. I don't need more Megapixels, FPS, newer AF system, etc. I've been tempted to add a 5DII as a second body along with my 7D, but I've been focusing on building up my set of lenses first. I am also waiting to see if there is an entry level FF that replaces the 5DII or if a 70D or 7DII comes along that solves my better IQ desire with one camera. I expect to sit tight with my 7D for another year before making a move.
I would be disappointed if Canon jacked up the price of a 7DII like they did going from 5DII to 5DIII.
If they improved the sensor and threw in a few other improvements and kept the price close to what the current 7D came out at, I would strongly consider upgrading.
I would be disappointed if Canon jacked up the price of a 7DII like they did going from 5DII to 5DIII.
If they improved the sensor and threw in a few other improvements and kept the price close to what the current 7D came out at, I would strongly consider upgrading.
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papa-razzi said:
I currently have a 450D but am in the same boat to a degree.... I think looking at pictures people post the 7D is capable of getting some amazing results and is light years ahead of my current body. However do I get a refurbed Loyalty 7D for 1000 bucks or hope the 7D2 or 70D are with the upgrade for 1500 ish or go with a 5D2 that I know takes great pics but is slow IMO. ( I day dream just thinking about 8FPS all day long)
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papa-razzi said:
The problem is the 7D is already getting near the reasonable limits of how good APS-C can be at high ISO. They could go 1/3 stop better for sure and probably even 1/2 stop better, but more than that and you may be waiting for something that won't arrive, at least not with any sensor at all like the ones they have been using, and even if not there is not a ton of room left to get better anyway. For dynamic range they could improve things a ton though.
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Marsu42 said:
I fully agree with you, that "mirrorless is in the near future" and personally I welcome that. But exactly how "near" is the bright mirrorless future?
Two important areas are still very much "under construction" today:
1. AF ... yes, we are getting closer ... BUT the 650D hybrid AF implementation really is "first generation" and for sure still has a lot of limitations that keep it from being truly "hi-end" - compared to what current 7D user gruop expects in terms of AF performance.
2. Viewfinder ... the even bigger reason for a mirror box + prism in cameras! The majority of the 7D-target audience [= photo enthusiasts + semi-pro on a budget + pros for focal-length-limited/fast action assignments] would certainly not yet accept even the best current EVFs as an adequate replcement for the 7D viewfinder [not to mention a much larger and brighter FF DSLR viewfinder]. Myself included.
I expect construction in these 2 areas to take long enough, to definitely require a 7D II [if not even a Mk. III!] to "bridge the gap" until a truly "pro-grade" APS-C mirrorless will come to market.
Situation is the same for Nikon, btw ... I believe there will be an APS-C D300s successor (D400), because Nikon is not ready for a hi-end mirrorless either.
The next one or even two rounds of hi-end APS-C DSLRs [7D II ... 7D III] will also be required to help the 7D user-base getting their minds and wallets around the fact that they will also need to buy new lenses - on top of any investment in EF-S and EF glass - if they want to reap the benefit of more compact lenses, working natively, without adapter on their new mirrorless. ;-)
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Mt Spokane Photography said:
I don't think so. 7D's new firmware suggests no replacement anytime soon - unless Canon tricked us making us think so in order to keep selling the current 7D at full price.
I'm am sure enough that we will see both D400 and D600 (one for sure at Photokina, maybe both) within the year and before Canon gives us a 7D2.
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LetTheRightLensIn said:
It's not aps-c itself, but the fact that Canon is pushing mp count which each new sensor iteration so noise isn't substantially improved at 100% crop. We might see this happen again with the 70d: 22mp, a little noise improvement which the current Canon sensor tech can deliver, but iso 800 is still the max. good setting.
LetTheRightLensIn said:
Dynamic range is another, maybe more important matter. If you get more noise at higher iso settings, you can just downsize the picture, so basically the higher mp count doesn't hurt. But downsizing doesn't improve dr, if you've got clipped highlights or flat shadows, that's it.
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One thing I often see in these threads is that a 7D2 might end up being FF. I can just see now all the people who've lost, damaged or had their 7D stolen or generally have money to burn upgrading to a Mk2 wondering why their EF-S lenses don't work, or complaining their lenses don't "zoom in enough". That's one of the most unlikely changes I can see with it keeping the 7D name.
Apart from some AF / sensor incremental improvements I'd find it likely they'd roll in a few fairly low-cost but cool features. 7D can trigger a 580EX using the pop-up flash so maybe the 7D2 will be able to wirelessly trigger a 600EX, maybe a touchscreen and a few things like.
Apart from some AF / sensor incremental improvements I'd find it likely they'd roll in a few fairly low-cost but cool features. 7D can trigger a 580EX using the pop-up flash so maybe the 7D2 will be able to wirelessly trigger a 600EX, maybe a touchscreen and a few things like.
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My personal opinion:
YES, certainly will be a 7D2... The reason is very, very simple: Canon will not let Nikon to reign alone in the Pro/APS-C DSLR segment (witch is a very important and profitable segment'' see D300S and 7D sales'').
Nikon D400 is just around the corner ( i believe Photokina). Maybe canon will wait until D400 is announced and release the 7D2 in the winter.... or the 7D2 will be APS-H. and the current EF-s lenses will be unusable. who0 knows... I am certain that we will see a 7D2.
YES, certainly will be a 7D2... The reason is very, very simple: Canon will not let Nikon to reign alone in the Pro/APS-C DSLR segment (witch is a very important and profitable segment'' see D300S and 7D sales'').
Nikon D400 is just around the corner ( i believe Photokina). Maybe canon will wait until D400 is announced and release the 7D2 in the winter.... or the 7D2 will be APS-H. and the current EF-s lenses will be unusable. who0 knows... I am certain that we will see a 7D2.
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lol funny how most are wishing for ever more expensive gear just to have bragging rights when the pro APS-C market has been losing traction to full frame for ages. Just about the last thing the 7DII needs is to bee more expensive since all that will do is justify spending a little more to go full frame.
the 7DII if they ever make it, should keep the price point and stick to improvements over the prior model.
the 7DII if they ever make it, should keep the price point and stick to improvements over the prior model.
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psolberg said:
they SHOULD but based on current pricing from canon do you really think thats likely?
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psolberg said:
Canon might have thought about this, too, but could have come to the reverse conclusion: They might phase out the 5d2 and keep the 5d3 as the "cheapest" full frame model, thus making sure the gap remains as large as it is now.
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I don't see 22MP APS-C -- we already have this cycle's APS-C sensor and it is 18MP. If we accept that sensor development life cycles are longer now then they were a few years back, don't you all think it would be unusual for Canon NOT to use the same 18MP sensor on the xxD and 7D2 as they just introduced in the Rebel? That would at least be historically consistant with the way sensors are introduced and propogate through the APS-C bodies, assuming Canon still sees three segments of the APS-C market.
Clearly, at least from a marketing perspective, Canon doesn't see the T4i sensor itself making any headlines in the ISO department -- all they are talking about is in-camera JPG processing, which tells me they are not attempting to compete head on in the sensor noise department. interesting to note that this time around they did NOT increment the MP count -- suggesting that this technology cycle isnt' about noise at all it is about hybrid AF and video features.
So, while hope I'm wrong, the 7D2 is looking kinda boring right now in the IQ/ISO department. To combine a perfected hybrid AF with ISO improvements would require yet another sensor, which to me would be unlilely in a APS-C form factor anytime soon -- but maybe we see this in an APS-H sensor and some new single digit body.
Clearly, at least from a marketing perspective, Canon doesn't see the T4i sensor itself making any headlines in the ISO department -- all they are talking about is in-camera JPG processing, which tells me they are not attempting to compete head on in the sensor noise department. interesting to note that this time around they did NOT increment the MP count -- suggesting that this technology cycle isnt' about noise at all it is about hybrid AF and video features.
So, while hope I'm wrong, the 7D2 is looking kinda boring right now in the IQ/ISO department. To combine a perfected hybrid AF with ISO improvements would require yet another sensor, which to me would be unlilely in a APS-C form factor anytime soon -- but maybe we see this in an APS-H sensor and some new single digit body.
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