Wishlist for 6D mark II - 80D with a full frame sensor?

[ichiru]

I don't know if this is reasonable or wishful thinking but having tried out an 80D just yesterday in store I now have renewed optimism towards sticking with Canon.

(I also tried a Sony A7RII with metabones IV and it was pretty painful to use with most of my EF lens, and it didn't work that great with the 85G lens either especially when it came to manual focus point selection, eye assist focus and face detect is cool but jitters a lot)

Here's the thing, the 80D fixes all of my grippes with Canon cameras such as the 6D:

- Significantly improved dynamic range (FINALLY!!!)
- Autofocus (45 cross-type autofocus points vs 1 on the 6D? hell yeah!)
- Tilt screen (anybody looking to improve composition will appreciate this)
- Fast AF in live view for stills - Now this was good enough that it made me reconsider the need for a 'mirrorless' camera, dual pixel AF is amazing for video no doubt but it is also much faster for stills and does tracking very well, with very little delay with the shutter too.
- Touch screen (for AF point selection) - Wow! If you have used a Sony camera you know how atrocious it is to select a precise autofocus point, now this touch screen is IMHO even better than the 5D/1Dx joystick

Anyways these are my 2 cents. I have been contemplating a move to Sony but no more. I am very optimistic Canon will deliver on all of the above even though the autofocus might not be a major upgrade, I'd be willing to bet it will be significantly better.

What do you guys think?

 

[mistaspeedy]

Even the Rebel T6s (750D) has a 19 point (all cross type) autofocus point spread.
I have no idea which autofocus system they will put into the 6D mark II, but I don't see it being lower performing compared to their cheapest new cameras.

So whatever system gets put inside, it should be a huge and massive step forward compared to the current 6D system.
I expect all of their new cameras from now onward to have the new sensor technology too.

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

Is possible, but Canon has already noted that Dual Pixel Technology is difficult, and apparently more so for full frame. They have also said that on chip D-A will be in models with new sensors.

Canon engineers are given a target price to hit, and then develop a specification that can be produced to sell for the target price. Every penny put into the camera must be justified. Even a penny put into the camera can become a dime when you go to buy the camera, so that's a primary goal.

Software is not free either, its expensive to develop and test, and very difficult for dual pixel.

If everyone gets their wish list for the camera, it will be a $3600 5D MK IV, so expect a incrementally improved camera in the $2200 range.

 

[ichiru]

Even the Rebel T6s (750D) has a 19 point (all cross type) autofocus point spread.
I have no idea which autofocus system they will put into the 6D mark II, but I don't see it being lower performing compared to their cheapest new cameras.

So whatever system gets put inside, it should be a huge and massive step forward compared to the current 6D system.
I expect all of their new cameras from now onward to have the new sensor technology too.

Yes, 19 point all cross type autofocus is what the 7DI had too... and it worked very well. Not too many points to pick from when doing single point manual selection.

 

[ichiru]

Is possible, but Canon has already noted that Dual Pixel Technology is difficult, and apparently more so for full frame. They have also said that on chip D-A will be in models with new sensors.

Canon engineers are given a target price to hit, and then develop a specification that can be produced to sell for the target price. Every penny put into the camera must be justified. Even a penny put into the camera can become a dime when you go to buy the camera, so that's a primary goal.

Software is not free either, its expensive to develop and test, and very difficult for dual pixel.

If everyone gets their wish list for the camera, it will be a $3600 5D MK IV, so expect a incrementally improved camera in the $2200 range.

By D-A you mean dual pixel AF? I did not know Canon had already said it will be on all future cameras? Very happy to hear this if that's the case!

I'm sure they will cut cost on things like video processing limiting the 6D to 1080p at a low frame rate leaving the 5DIV to do 4K and higher frame rate but that is not an issue for those purchasing the camera for stills.

I imagine the autofocus in the 6D will have less AF points than the 5D mark IV which is likely to have the same amount as did the 1DX mark II...

 

[Sabaki]

I own a 6D now for a few months and I just love it! Aside from the generational improvements like ISO & DR performance, I would like to suggest these ideas:

- More AF Points
- Built in intervalometer & bulb mode ala 7Dii
- 1/200 or 1/250 flash sync speed
- Menu system from the 5Diii/7Dii
- 100% viewfinder

Built it and I shall buy it!

 

[ichiru]

I own a 6D now for a few months and I just love it! Aside from the generational improvements like ISO & DR performance, I would like to suggest these ideas:

- More AF Points
- Built in intervalometer & bulb mode ala 7Dii
- 1/200 or 1/250 flash sync speed
- Menu system from the 5Diii/7Dii
- 100% viewfinder

Built it and I shall buy it!

I doubt the 100 % viewfinder and higher flash sync speed are going to come true... Canon purposefully crippled those two features to avoid the 6D competing with the 5DIII. shizzle marketing strategy if you ask me.

 

[AdamBotond]

Well said.

To me, anything less than a 80D caliber AF system would be nothing, but unacceptable from 6D II. Obviously it won't be as good as 7D II or 5Ds, no iTR, less selection method, etc, but 11 AF points with only 1 cross-type AF was considered ancient even back in 2012. DR and high ISO performance were actually among some of the best in the Canon lineup few years ago, so I would expect only moderate step up in that area. 80D does show some nice developments in sensors DR, high ISO, etc, but we are yet to see how this latest tech will do in a Full Frame camera. 1DX II reviews are not long away, I guess they will give us good estimation what to expect from 5D IV and 6D II.

Too bad its still a LONG time to wait for the 6D II. Interesting to talk about it nonetheless.

 

[ichiru]

Well said.

To me, anything less than a 80D caliber AF system would be nothing, but unacceptable from 6D II. Obviously it won't be as good as 7D II or 5Ds, no iTR, less selection method, etc, but 11 AF points with only 1 cross-type AF was considered ancient even back in 2012. DR and high ISO performance were actually among some of the best in the Canon lineup few years ago, so I would expect only moderate step up in that area. 80D does show some nice developments in sensors DR, high ISO, etc, but we are yet to see how this latest tech will do in a Full Frame camera. 1DX II reviews are not long away, I guess they will give us good estimation what to expect from 5D IV and 6D II.

Too bad its still a LONG time to wait for the 6D II. Interesting to talk about it nonetheless.

I really hope dynamic range is significantly better than the 6DI. Indeed the 6D II is still far away sadly .

 

[scrup]

6dii will be a rebadged 5d3 with the current body size, wifi and maybe slight improvement in sensor performance.

 

[slclick]

6dii will be a rebadged 5d3 with the current body size, wifi and maybe slight improvement in sensor performance.

As an owner of a 5D3 I don't want the next 6D to have all the bells and whistles the 5D3 has but just modest improvements over the current model , a a few more af points and an articulated screen with DPAF for live view focusing. A screen like that on FF would make it an awesome Macro body. No need for a gazillion focus points. Not too much so it can stay at a great price point.

 

[ichiru]

6dii will be a rebadged 5d3 with the current body size, wifi and maybe slight improvement in sensor performance.

For 2000 $ (the price of the 6DI) that would be lovely but I think it's wishful thinking... Unless you have some insider info you wouldn't mind sharing with us .

 

[ichiru]

6dii will be a rebadged 5d3 with the current body size, wifi and maybe slight improvement in sensor performance.

As an owner of a 5D3 I don't want the next 6D to have all the bells and whistles the 5D3 has but just modest improvements over the current model , a a few more af points and an articulated screen with DPAF for live view focusing. A screen like that on FF would make it an awesome Macro body. No need for a gazillion focus points. Not too much so it can stay at a great price point.

I don't own a 5DIII and although I agree your take on it is more plausible 'scrup' has a good point given that's pretty much what the 6DI was ... a rebranded 5DII with a couple crippled areas (max shutter speed and sync speed, joystick vs multi directionnal pad, etc) and other new bells and whistles (wifi, GPS).

 

[slclick]

6dii will be a rebadged 5d3 with the current body size, wifi and maybe slight improvement in sensor performance.

As an owner of a 5D3 I don't want the next 6D to have all the bells and whistles the 5D3 has but just modest improvements over the current model , a a few more af points and an articulated screen with DPAF for live view focusing. A screen like that on FF would make it an awesome Macro body. No need for a gazillion focus points. Not too much so it can stay at a great price point.

I don't own a 5DIII and although I agree your take on it is more plausible 'scrup' has a good point given that's pretty much what the 6DI was ... a rebranded 5DII with a couple crippled areas (max shutter speed and sync speed, joystick vs multi directionnal pad, etc) and other new bells and whistles (wifi, GPS).

Oh yeah forgot the joystick, a must have.

 

[IglooEater]

The original 6d (6Dc anyone? Just trying to upset the trolls here...). Was marketed primarily towards great image quality, bells and whistles be damned. The focus system was archaic, fps sluggish, the autoexposure unsofisticated (so I'm told) at best, etc, etc. If canon maintains this philosophy, the 6D II will probably not have DPAF, increased framrate, shutter speed or x-sync speed, and probably not have the level of sofistication in af of the 80D. It would, however, have incredible IQ, maybe even a step past what we're seeing in the 1DX II. I'm sure there will be great improvements, but I'd be surprised to see a full-frame 80D. I really hope I'm wrong here

 

[jebrady03]

The original 6d (6Dc anyone? Just trying to upset the trolls here...).

I thought those insisting on renaming cameras to their preferences were the ones that were trolls? Have I been misreading the situation?

Also, given the popularity of video on DSLR, I feel like adding a "c" is probably a pretty poor choice of renaming conventions. Theoretically, Canon could release an actual 5DC or 6DC at any time. But hey, I tend to think about things like that where others don't.

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

Is possible, but Canon has already noted that Dual Pixel Technology is difficult, and apparently more so for full frame. They have also said that on chip D-A will be in models with new sensors.

Canon engineers are given a target price to hit, and then develop a specification that can be produced to sell for the target price. Every penny put into the camera must be justified. Even a penny put into the camera can become a dime when you go to buy the camera, so that's a primary goal.

Software is not free either, its expensive to develop and test, and very difficult for dual pixel.

If everyone gets their wish list for the camera, it will be a $3600 5D MK IV, so expect a incrementally improved camera in the $2200 range.

By D-A you mean dual pixel AF? I did not know Canon had already said it will be on all future cameras? Very happy to hear this if that's the case!

I'm sure they will cut cost on things like video processing limiting the 6D to 1080p at a low frame rate leaving the 5DIV to do 4K and higher frame rate but that is not an issue for those purchasing the camera for stills.

I imagine the autofocus in the 6D will have less AF points than the 5D mark IV which is likely to have the same amount as did the 1DX mark II...

Should have been A-D (Analog Sensor to Digital output). The Canon head of cameras said last year in a interview that he had made the decision to use on chip converters. Of course, one of our self proclaimed experts said he was lying, as if they had a clue.

 

[NancyP]

My two most important wishes for a 6D2 have zero to do with AF:
1. better dynamic range (landscape photography)
2. TILTING LCD!!!!!!!!!!! I do a lot of ground level macro with critical focusing via magnified live view, and I really miss my tilting LCD from the 60D. In fact, my favorite macro lens is manual focus.

That being said, a 19-point AF system would be the minimal, and likely 45 point AF system the optimal system to ensure sales to people who are likely to use it for general photography.

 

[slclick]

My two most important wishes for a 6D2 have zero to do with AF:
1. better dynamic range (landscape photography)
2. TILTING LCD!!!!!!!!!!! I do a lot of ground level macro with critical focusing via magnified live view, and I really miss my tilting LCD from the 60D. In fact, my favorite macro lens is manual focus.

That being said, a 19-point AF system would be the minimal, and likely 45 point AF system the optimal system to ensure sales to people who are likely to use it for general photography.

+1

 

[wsmith96]

If the 6D MKII was a FF 80D, that would suffice for 95% of all of my needs. There are some photography outings I take where I would feel better if the body was metal - but that just means that I need to be a little more careful. I agree on the articulated screen. It's very handy when needed if you are not in a position to tether.