Working with film

[SJTstudios]

I have aproblem,

Im starting a photography class in my high school next year, but the first year is film only.
I want to find a cheap canon film slr that is a descent camera, but won't break the bank, and the price won't hurt me if I dont use the camera for a long time.
I need to make sure it has a canon ef mount, or else I can't use my lenses.

 

[dr croubie]

EOS 3 is probably the most recommended around here (or anywhere else), especially if you ask me (i've got one and love it).

It has the 45pt Af from the 1-series up to the 1Ds3/1D4, it's built just as well, weatherproof as much as a 5D2 if not more. Interchangeable focussing screens (interchangeable with all the 1-series screens at least), you can add a PB-E2 to get 7 fps (if you really want to burn through film), a BP-E1 just for longer battery life (and AAs), or go ungripped (and then it's about the same size as my 7D).

And the best part is the eye-control AF, i've got it set to only 11pt because then you get spot-linked metering (which only exists in other 1-series bodies).
Or maybe the best part is that you can get one under $200, 100-150 if you're lucky.

There's only 1 step up from there, and that's a 1V, which still cost closer to $400-500, or one step down and you're in EOS 5 or EOS 1N range. They're both good, a 5 is cheaper and a 1N i don't know but probably a bit less than a 3.
But go the 3, you can't be disappointed...

 

[bdunbar79]

I too have the EOS-3.

 

[Nishi Drew]

You can buy the whole class Rebel G cameras for the price of one EOS 3 ;D
But then you'd run out of lenses :

But seriously, I got one along with an FTb and lens in a nice lowepro bag at a Good Will for $30,
the camera looks like it was just a display model and practically untouched. An EOS3 is nice, but
it just depends on how much use the camera may see in your hands out of the class.

 

[dtaylor]

If you can afford it...EOS 3.

 

[Menace]

I'd suggest EOS 5 for what you need - have fun with film

 

[Timothy_Bruce]

I have 2 canon EOS 600 bought them for 60€ each and they work excellent. You will have just 1 AF point put I don´t think that will harm you. I think they limit you to film for reason of simpleness and for getting a feeling for Photography. It is a decent working camera with a nice bright VF. It works with all Canon lenses and Speedlights. For the price it is a no brainer to have one at least to backup you probable EOS 3

I use them mostly to shoot BW-Film, when I feel the need to go to my darkroom and have some Photography in my Hands

 

[PVS]

EOS 30 has all the nice features (ECF) and decent AF points count and you can find them for less than $100.

 

[crasher8]

High School budget? Elan 7. $100 for a really clean body from B & H or Keh. If you're going to buy one used in person take a cheap roll of film with you to test it with. Feel the pressure plate for burrs and make certain the take up spool and rewind mech work smoothly.

 

[vargyropoulos]

I know you mentioned that you wanted EF mount but I recently got a hold of an AE-1 and I find this to be an excellent training camera, it has helped me get rid of some bad habits... some of those fancier SLR's may still have too many bells and whistles for training purposes

 

[EYEONE]

I also have a EOS-3 and it's a fantastic camera. They can be found used on Amazon for usually less than $300. I think I got mine for $150 or so.

 

[Chris_prophotographic]

Again +EOS 3 get it.

It has a light touch trigger very fast reaction to a press


What is the difference between EOS 3 and 5 some speed things and AF but for 300$ ball park its a win.

 

[slinky]

I'll echo that the Elan 7/EOS30 is a nice alternative to the 3 if you want to save a bit of money.

 

[SJTstudios]

Judging by the images I've seen, I'd like to investigate the eos 3 and the eos 5.
What do get with the 3 over the 5

 

[DavidRiesenberg]

I know you mentioned that you wanted EF mount but I recently got a hold of an AE-1 and I find this to be an excellent training camera, it has helped me get rid of some bad habits... some of those fancier SLR's may still have too many bells and whistles for training purposes

I second the AE-1 or one of its variants. You won't be able to use your lenses, sure, but FD glass is excellent and cheap. I don't know what lenses you have now but fast FD primes are a delight to work with.

 

[crasher8]

This is a high school student and I assume a small budget here guys. The EOS 3 may be found for 300 if you're lucky but it won't be E+ at that amount. Let's find out the OP's range and offer advice accordingly. PLus by not using existing EF lenses that add's $$$ to the mix.

 

[FTb-n]

I got hooked on photography shooting for my high-school yearbook staff. After my freshman year, I bought an FTb-n w/ 50 1.4 new and carried it just about every day for the next three years. I learned how to shoot, how to anticipate the shot, and how to see the shot with this camera. When you can't rely on auto-focus or auto-exposure, you learn how to anticipate the movement of the subject and changes in lighting. Out of necessity, you learn how to work the shutter speed and depth-of-field to your advantage. Your goal is to learn how to see the image and how to work the mechanics of the camera to capture it as you see it – so don't rely on a body that does this thinking for you.

Fully manual bodies are great learning tools. If you can find an AE1 and a couple FD lenses, they are great options for film. Note that manual focus with an AE1 or an FTb is a lot easier than with a current DSLR because of the split image or micro-prism focusing screens that these bodies used. If you go the FD body route, look for an AE1 or later model "electronic" body. The FTb is a great body, but it's mechanically timed shutter may not be as accurate as it once was. (If the seller confirms the calibration of the shutter on a used FTb-n – then grab it.)

If you stick with the EF route, go simple. A Rebel G would work great. Set it to center-point focussing and manual exposure. Find a body that relinquishes control of the shutter, the f-stop, and the focus point to you. With DSLR's the body's sensor plays a huge role in IQ. With film-based SLR's, the IQ is in the film. Don't get hung up on finding a film body with DSLR features.

 

[SJTstudios]

I'm good at manual, and I'm not a beginner.
Budget is around 300 dollars or less.
As long as the camera can shoot, isn't that hard to use, and has an ef mount so I can use some l glass, it's great, but I do want to avoid rebel type cameras, and the élan 7.
I'm thinking the eos 5 is the way to go

 

[CharlieB]

Fully manual bodies are great learning tools. If you can find an AE1 and a couple FD lenses, they are great

I think you mean the AT-1, which was manual. The AE-1, AV-1, and A-1 were auto exposure.

The A series suffers from "shutter brake wheeze", but its easily corrected. FTb/n's were tanks, suffered from a failure in the meter coupling.

Keep in mind the FTb/n and F1 batteries are no longer truly available. The mercury battery has been replaced with ... lithium? ... I forget which. It was a 1.35v battery, and the replacement throws the meters off. Some meters can be calibrated to the new voltage, some cannot, due to the linearity of the mechanisms.

The A series took the four into one stacked silver battery - still available.

 

[danski0224]

What about something like an EOS 620? I still have mine, which I bought new.

Edit: I think one big difference between this series and later/"pro" film cameras is the older ones will not drive lenses with IS... not sure if the AF part on an IS lens will work. I don't have a battery laying around to check on mine.

But, if all you need is basic picture taking capability, the price is certainly within your budget.