Your ultimate 6D Mark II?

[James Larsen]

Hello,

The 6DII will eventually come out, hopefully sometime early next year - what would you like to see in the new version? As I own the 6D, there are quite a few things I'd love to see in the 6DII to make me want to upgrade:

-Updated AF system (more points spread across a greater range)
-Dual Pixel AF (being able to use autofocus in video, like an 80D)
-24-28MP (more would be a treat, but I don't think Canon would go over 30, based on the recent rumor, 25 sounds about right)
- -4EV Center Point AF capability, improved ISOs would be great (its already great in the 6D, would love to see more in 6DII)
-Touchscreen and Articulating Screen - Would be SO helpful in so many ways.
-6FPS (more would be nice, but I doubt Canon would go over the 5DIV)
-1080p60fps video (I'd love to see canon throw in 4k thats good, but I doubt they would want the 6dII too close to the 5DIV)

I think those the main things I'd love to see in the new 6DII, what would be your most realistic specs on the 6DII that you'd love to see?

 

[Sharlin]

These are some surprisingly realistic, down to earth wishes compared to many others seen on this site I think most of those have good chances of actualizing.

 

[James Larsen]

These are some surprisingly realistic, down to earth wishes compared to many others seen on this site I think most of those have good chances of actualizing.

Thanks! Thats my guess at what Canon will do, I'm hoping they put in this stuff!
Lets just hope at my age I can afford it

 

[rfdesigner]

Hello,

The 6DII will eventually come out, hopefully sometime early next year - what would you like to see in the new version? As I own the 6D, there are quite a few things I'd love to see in the 6DII to make me want to upgrade:

-Updated AF system (more points spread across a greater range)
-Dual Pixel AF (being able to use autofocus in video, like an 80D)
-24-28MP (more would be a treat, but I don't think Canon would go over 30, based on the recent rumor, 25 sounds about right)
- -4EV Center Point AF capability, improved ISOs would be great (its already great in the 6D, would love to see more in 6DII)
-Touchscreen and Articulating Screen - Would be SO helpful in so many ways.
-6FPS (more would be nice, but I doubt Canon would go over the 5DIV)
-1080p60fps video (I'd love to see canon throw in 4k thats good, but I doubt they would want the 6dII too close to the 5DIV)

I think those the main things I'd love to see in the new 6DII, what would be your most realistic specs on the 6DII that you'd love to see?

I don't care for 4k, but if canon want to continue selling the 6DII into 2018 and beyond it will need 4k, it's the future and many other cameras are getting it.

I'd stick with 20MP but go for UBER-low light. If you want mega-resolution the 5Dsr is there.

Also I'd put in a precision double-cross centre point and a few widely spaced cross points. i.e. you can focus nearly anywhere, you can focus very precisely, but it isn't an out and out high speed tracking monster like the 7D/5D/1D

 

[tcmatthews]

All the capabilities of the 5D IV in a 6D body. Gorilla glass articulating screen touch screen. Carbon fiber reinforced outer body surrounding a magnesium frame. Shock and drop resistant with IBS. Waterproof to 50 meters. Electrically selectable AA filter. 4k recording at 120 fps with all Canon video log modes and H.264 encoding. 2TB build in storage with optional UHS-II SD card slot. Cellular wireless internet connection that can also act a a wifi hotspot. High speed wireless data transfer to cloud storage and sharing sites.

100MP sensor with better ISO performance than the 5D IV priced under $1000.

You said ultimate who said it had to be reasonable. I say if it is ultimate go big or go home.

The sad thing is if Canon did all the above DxO Mark would still rank whatever Nikon makes better after using the worst Canon lens ever made to test the camera.

 

[dak723]

My ultimate 6D II (I do own the 6D) would be taking the philosophy of the SL1 and bringing it to FF - in other words, making the smallest and lightest FF DSLR that is possible.

Keep the current 20 MP. I can already print far larger than I need and crop as much as I want.
Make the same noise and DR improvements as their latest sensors.

No other changes needed.

 

[tcmatthews]

My ultimate 6D II (I do own the 6D) would be taking the philosophy of the SL1 and bringing it to FF - in other words, making the smallest and lightest FF DSLR that is possible.

Keep the current 20 MP. I can already print far larger than I need and crop as much as I want.
Make the same noise and DR improvements as their latest sensors.

No other changes needed.

Personally I did not like the SL1. Sure they made it small but it was just too roundish. I would prefer something around the size of a Rebel TIs with the performance of the 5D IV. It should be priced accordingly. For me it is really a ergonomics thing. I have relatively short fat fingers. The ergonomics of the 5D /1D bodies is absolutely horrible for me. The 6D was good but in the end I found I was using my Sony A7II all the time instead so I sold the 6D.

I just do not want to sacrifice performance to get something more compact. If I did I would just buy more m43 gear. If the 5Dsr was in a 6D sized body I would have bought one already. I do own and use a Canon 7DII. But hate carry it around unless I am already using my Tamron 150-160. With that lens attached it does not really matter if the camera is bigger than I like.

 

[9VIII]

My Ultimate 6DMkII would be a 6DS.

With flippy touchscreen, and the same interchangeable focus screen on the current 6D.
Dual SD cards.
Wi-fi.
3fps is fine for the burst speed, I've never felt limited by a low end Rebel.
Equally so, I've never felt limited by using the center AF point, maybe give it five AF points just in case.

 

[Zv]

24Mpix DPAF
19 cross type AF points with zone and spot modes
6fps
Tilt and flip touchscreen
X-sync speed 1/200 or higher (wishful thinking)
Wifi (easier to use than before), NFC, Bluetooth (always connected low power mode), GPS and all that.
UHS-II card slot (one would be enough but I'll take two)
USB 3.0 port
No 4K just full HD but with 120fps / 240fps
Lighter and more compact design
Shutter speed max 1/8000 (Not 100% necessary but please can we have it?)
Ultra silent shutter

I'd buy that shopping list of features for sure though my current 6D is more than enough for at least another couple of years. I just want to have the option to upgrade it to something I want.

30Mpix or more then forget it.

 

[Cariboucoach]

Mpix- 28 with DPAF
AF- at least similar to T6s, 19, all cross type down to f/8 so we can use a teleconverter and AF focus ability while video recording
Card storage- two ports SD UHS-II
Extras-USB 3.0
Video- HD 1080p at 120 fps, 4k not nessecary
Ultimate low light performer
X-sync- 1/200
Shutter- 1/8000 good for 150,000 actuations
Noise control- Although it is great, I would love to see a clean High ISO up to 25000
Speed- 6.5 fps
Screen- If it is an entry level camera, Touch/Swivel screen up and down, not necessary to pivot out.
Built in radio flash trigger
Weather sealing- let me shoot in normal rain
PRICE- $1,899

 

[Hillsilly]

I'd be very interested in a 6D with: -

1. Inbuilt intervalometer feature and ability to set a shutter speeds up to at least 10 minutes
2. programmable focus stacking
3. Global shutter

 

[IglooEater]

I think your list is good. I just don't think we'll see 6 fps. 5 max.
It's been said before-a full frame 80D would be awesome, but I doubt it would be that well spec'd. The important part is the price tag- a camera I can't afford has zero features and no IQ.

 

[Alex_M]

Very solid list, in my view. Thanks for summing it up.
couple of list entries do not look realistic to me, unfortunately.
Built in radio flash trigger << that would be perfect for speedliters unfortunatelly, the word "perfect" makes Canon's marketing department uncomfortable. has to be good but not perfect. camera must encourage the owner to trade up to the 5D level body at least. hook, line and sinker.. that's the plan.
Weather sealing- let me shoot in normal rain << brings the body specs dangerously close (for the Canon's marketing department) to a pro camera.
Speed- 6.5 fps << again, as with the weather sealing brings the body specs dangerously close ( for the Canon's marketing department) to a pro camera. I would say that 5 fps over the viewfinder and 6 in live view mode would be a reasonable compromise for Canon and still leaving the owner wanting to upgrade to %D level body..

Mpix- 28 with DPAF
AF- at least similar to T6s, 19, all cross type down to f/8 so we can use a teleconverter and AF focus ability while video recording
Card storage- two ports SD UHS-II
Extras-USB 3.0
Video- HD 1080p at 120 fps, 4k not nessecary
Ultimate low light performer
X-sync- 1/200 << I have very high hopes for this myself. current 1/180 is a joke as you cannot get to 1/180 unless your exposure steps are set in 1/2 of a stop rather than 1/3 of a stop. so 1/160 is what it really is for me now
Shutter- 1/8000 good for 150,000 actuations << 1/8000 pretty please, Canon. Current 1/4000 is not always enough for me to freeze some really fast action. less likely though for Canon to include this in entry level FF camera
Noise control- Although it is great, I would love to see a clean High ISO up to 25000
Speed- 6.5 fps
Screen- If it is an entry level camera, Touch/Swivel screen up and down, not necessary to pivot out.
Built in radio flash trigger
Weather sealing- let me shoot in normal rain
PRICE- $1,899

 

[Drum]

Some nice reasonable replies, The 19 pt AF system is highly likely in my view, I think the 44 points in the 80D is bringing it too close to the 5 series. I also think that 6FPS is too close to the 5's as well much more likely 5 or even 5.5. The thing about this camera is it may be considered entry level FF but a lot of people seem to be using it like a pro level. My personal feeling is that only the AF and megapixel count will be changed and that it will be priced back up around the 22-2500 $ £ or €, Then it may come down but not for a good while.

 

[Mikehit]

First thing to do is look at the target market and as I see it the 6D was introduced to enable people to buy their first FF camera at a reasonable price. basically purchasers had a choice -the 6D as an introduction to quality images for FF users (landscape and some portrait) and the 7D as an introduction to the AF systems for action/wildlife.

At the time of release the 6D cost was a bit more than the 7D and I see the same thing happening here. So any new stuff has to be in a package with a retail cost of about 1800-2000 USD (in UK probably about $1700). For the target market I think we will get:
-24-28MP (more would be a treat, but I don't think Canon would go over 30, based on the recent rumor, 25 sounds about right). Another sensor design spec? i think they will either use the 1DX2 or the 5DIV sensor
- -4EV Center Point AF capability, improved ISOs would be great (its already great in the 6D, would love to see more in 6DII) nice
-6FPS (more would be nice, but I doubt Canon would go over the 5DIV)
-1080p60fps video (I'd love to see canon throw in 4k thats good, but I doubt they would want the 6dII too close to the 5DIV) probably correct here
Card storage- two ports SD UHS-II
Extras-USB 3.0
Ultimate low light performer
X-sync- 1/200
Shutter- 1/8000 good for 150,000 actuations. Probably too far
-Updated AF system (more points spread across a greater range). As mentioned elsewhere, 19 points seems reasonable or a skimmed down version of the 80D is likely.
Noise control- Although it is great, I would love to see a clean High ISO up to 25000 probably too far. Not sure even the 5DIV can do that
Speed- 6.5 fps
-Touchscreen and Articulating Screen - Would be SO helpful in so many ways. Appears on the 750D/T6i at half the price so probably can be done at the price range. But I don't hold my breath. As also mentioned I prefer the tilt as opposed to full swivelly thing so that with touch screen would be ideal for me
Built in radio flash trigger do you mean optical or infra red?

If these three were taken together, it would make me wonder what the purpose of the 5DIV is as well as hiking the price up. Separately one or tow may appear but as a set, I very much doubt it..
-Dual Pixel AF (being able to use autofocus in video, like an 80D) - not needed for the target market but would be nice
- Weather sealing- let me shoot in normal rain define 'normal rain'
- AF- at least similar to T6s, 19, all cross type down to f/8 so we can use a teleconverter and AF focus ability while video recording does not match my assumptions on the 'target market' but it would be very nice to have but not essential

 

[Crosswind]

I don't care about AF, video, FPS, buffer or resolution.

For me, the best improvements would be;

• Flexi screen (tilting would still be OK)
• Smaller body size (more like a rebel)
• A bit better dynamic range at base ISO
• ISO 102k or higher LiveView amplifier (more like Sony A7S, which can "see in the dark")

That's it. Everything else the current 6D is perfect for me. I generally use it for landscape-astrophotography.

Btw. I wouldn't say no to more MPs, but it's just not so important IMO. 20 MPs are good enough for large prints, if your image isn't blurred by shake and you have used a high performance lens.

 

[Zv]

Current 6D shoots at 4.5fps. Is it really that hard to believe that in the four or so years between iterations we can't increase the fps by 1.5? I think it's possible it'll have 6 and if not 5.5 at the very least. Especially if they keep the Mpix count reasonable which I think they will.

The sensor has to be something new. Why would they put in the 1DXII sensor? That would leave the Mpix count the same as before. That seems unlikely with the rumors kicking about. The 6D had a newly developed sensor which turned out to be one of the best at that time. Hopefully we'll get a repeat!

 

[tron]

Current 6D shoots at 4.5fps. Is it really that hard to believe that in the four or so years between iterations we can't increase the fps by 1.5? I think it's possible it'll have 6 and if not 5.5 at the very least. Especially if they keep the Mpix count reasonable which I think they will.

The sensor has to be something new. Why would they put in the 1DXII sensor? That would leave the Mpix count the same as before. That seems unlikely with the rumors kicking about. The 6D had a newly developed sensor which turned out to be one of the best at that time. Hopefully we'll get a repeat!

Reasonable but then it would be reasonable for 5DIV to have a 6 -> 8 fps increase. So I do not believe they will do so. But I certainly wish it for you. Canon's CEO had said once that they have a policy to always put the best sensor available in new cameras so I expect it to have a very good sensor.

 

[rfdesigner]

following this: http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=30973.0

I now want C-mode configuration able to be saved to card like the 1DX2.

 

[Mikehit]

Now that would be nice.