Your ultimate 6D Mark II?

[Spokagrapher]

Hello,

The 6DII will eventually come out, hopefully sometime early next year - what would you like to see in the new version?

Touch screen
24 mp
Better AF - more points, wider spread
Improved dynamic range
Better noise control at 3200-and-higher ISO
Lower base ISO - 60
Second card slot would be nice but is not crucial
Swivel screen would be nice, but it's not a deal-breaker for me if there isn't one
Easier Wi-Fi connectivity
Improved hardwire connectivity
Better tactile feel to the buttons and dials on the back

 

[Mikehit]

Better tactile feel to the buttons and dials on the back

That's an interesting one. I find I can all too easily flick the multi-way dial when adjusting the rear wheel - there is no positive feel but the wheel is quite stiff to move.

 

[FECHariot]

Take an 80D and throw in a full frame sensor and I'll just fine. However, I am expecting it to be more like a 70D with a full frame sensor and I'll probably still buy one. If it has less than 70D specs, I might just have to wait for the 5D4 prices to come down.

 

[j-nord]

I'm waiting for the 6DII before I make any upgrade decisions. I shoot about 40-50% landscape, 20-30% wildlife, rest is a mix of; flowers, handheld macro (with 100-400ii), my puppy, architecture, product, abstract, pretty much any thing but people. Mpix is of high importance to me, if I make prints I want them in feet not inches and I want the latitude to crop heavily.

It's probably going to be a tough call between a used 5DSR and new 6DII. 6DII, for me, needs the following to beat out the 5DSR:

- Similar sensor performance to the 5DIV
- AT LEAST 27-28 m-pix (I honestly might disqualify it if it's anything less, except maybe paired with a big fps boost which isn't likely)
- 5.5 fps is likely but would love 6-6.5
- tilty touch screen (no titly screen, no chance I'm going to buy it)
- Auto-ISO exposure compensation in manual mode (should go with out saying but... Canon...will not buy with out this)
- at least 1x f8 point in the center (won't buy with out this)
- more cross type points, at least around the center
- faster, more accurate AI-Servo
- -4EV AF would be nice
- dual card slot would be nice
- better weather sealing would be nice
- maintain same size and weight or better

 

[Cariboucoach]

What is the target market for the version II. I recall seeing something about the 6D II going upscale, and I was thinking of the ultimate camera, versus what they will probably give us. So yes, this is reaching a bit, but I think these specs would be welcome.

First thing to do is look at the target market and as I see it the 6D was introduced to enable people to buy their first FF camera at a reasonable price. basically purchasers had a choice -the 6D as an introduction to quality images for FF users (landscape and some portrait) and the 7D as an introduction to the AF systems for action/wildlife.

At the time of release the 6D cost was a bit more than the 7D and I see the same thing happening here. So any new stuff has to be in a package with a retail cost of about 1800-2000 USD (in UK probably about $1700). For the target market I think we will get:
-24-28MP (more would be a treat, but I don't think Canon would go over 30, based on the recent rumor, 25 sounds about right). Another sensor design spec? i think they will either use the 1DX2 or the 5DIV sensor
- -4EV Center Point AF capability, improved ISOs would be great (its already great in the 6D, would love to see more in 6DII) nice
-6FPS (more would be nice, but I doubt Canon would go over the 5DIV)
-1080p60fps video (I'd love to see canon throw in 4k thats good, but I doubt they would want the 6dII too close to the 5DIV) probably correct here
Card storage- two ports SD UHS-II
Extras-USB 3.0
Ultimate low light performer I think the sensor on the 6D outperformed the 5DIII. I would like to see this continue.
X-sync- 1/200
Shutter- 1/8000 good for 150,000 actuations. Probably too far Again, a wish list item, not expected.
-Updated AF system (more points spread across a greater range). As mentioned elsewhere, 19 points seems reasonable or a skimmed down version of the 80D is likely. I think the AF is it's single biggest area for improvement.
Noise control- Although it is great, I would love to see a clean High ISO up to 25000 probably too far. Not sure even the 5DIV can do that
Speed- 6.5 fps
-Touchscreen and Articulating Screen - Would be SO helpful in so many ways. Appears on the 750D/T6i at half the price so probably can be done at the price range. But I don't hold my breath. As also mentioned I prefer the tilt as opposed to full swivelly thing so that with touch screen would be ideal for me
Built in radio flash trigger do you mean optical or infra red? Any would do.

If these three were taken together, it would make me wonder what the purpose of the 5DIV is as well as hiking the price up. Separately one or tow may appear but as a set, I very much doubt it..
-Dual Pixel AF (being able to use autofocus in video, like an 80D) - not needed for the target market but would be nice Agree with the current target market, but it seems DPAF could go into every camera Canon makes from now on and if it goes "Upscale...."
- Weather sealing- let me shoot in normal rain define 'normal rain' Just something you wouldn't have to sprint inside to get away from.
- AF- at least similar to T6s, 19, all cross type down to f/8 so we can use a teleconverter and AF focus ability while video recording does not match my assumptions on the 'target market' but it would be very nice to have but not essential I thought this seems like a fair compromisebetween the current 6D and the 5D IV.

 

[James Larsen]

Those are some pretty good specs from all of you...at least for the most part! **cough cough**tcmatthews**cough cough**
Just kidding

I'd love to see 4k video. I'd hope it wouldn't have a massive crop either!!

 

[rfdesigner]

Those are some pretty good specs from all of you...at least for the most part! **cough cough**tcmatthews**cough cough**
Just kidding

I'd love to see 4k video. I'd hope it wouldn't have a massive crop either!!

my guess is it will be 1:1 on pixels, so 4k wide on a 25MPix sensor would be a 1.5 crop.

 

[hmatthes]

Re: Your ultimate 6D Mark II? -- Mirrorless FF?

I love my 6D but occasionally miss some 70D features. So a 6D2 with 80D features would be a killer combination!

Now for my blasphemy: Make the FF 6D2 mirrorless with an EVF like the Leica SL or Q. Include an adapter for EF lenses so that we can use our glass. Other adapters would allow the beautiful images from an old Leica Summicron or even Canon FD lenses -- etc...

Shooting with a Leica Q has given me a renewed appreciation for simple interfaces. I shoot with my eye to the EVF yet I know how to change aperture, shutter, exp. comp. and ISO... by feel, not menus!

Face it, most of us shoot in Av. A new line of FF lenses could have the aperture dial on the lens. This ring control could have a detent called "A" for auto aperture selection.

We can all argue about sensor size, frame rate, top shutter speed, rata rata rata
But a smaller bodied Canon EOS FF mirrorless would be perfect for my old fashioned ways.

 

[crashpc]

EOS 5D IV sensor slapped into the M5 body, and "that´s it"

 

[Josh Denver]

-20mp sensor
-4K MJPEG APS-H crop up to 30p
-720p 120p
-Fully articulating touchscreen
-Dual Pixel AF

This would be Canon's biggest videography hit. If they go to 25mp, they still have a 1.5x s35 croo which is good, but no more than that. 20mp like the 1DXII APS-H 4K is ideal to me but not to most photographers and Canon marketing staff.

 

[Zv]

Re: Your ultimate 6D Mark II? -- Mirrorless FF?

I love my 6D but occasionally miss some 70D features. So a 6D2 with 80D features would be a killer combination!

Now for my blasphemy: Make the FF 6D2 mirrorless with an EVF like the Leica SL or Q. Include an adapter for EF lenses so that we can use our glass. Other adapters would allow the beautiful images from an old Leica Summicron or even Canon FD lenses -- etc...

Shooting with a Leica Q has given me a renewed appreciation for simple interfaces. I shoot with my eye to the EVF yet I know how to change aperture, shutter, exp. comp. and ISO... by feel, not menus!

Face it, most of us shoot in Av. A new line of FF lenses could have the aperture dial on the lens. This ring control could have a detent called "A" for auto aperture selection.

We can all argue about sensor size, frame rate, top shutter speed, rata rata rata
But a smaller bodied Canon EOS FF mirrorless would be perfect for my old fashioned ways.

Eh? So you want a FF mirrorless that's not EF mount? So we would need an adaptor just to use a regular EF lens? What's the benefit of that? So we can use old FD lenses with our 2017 body??

And you know you can change aperture, shutter speed, ISO and exposure comp by looking through the optical viewfinder too, right? The dials work just the same "feely" way that you describe.

And speak for yourself. I shoot in Manual mode. Got no use for Av selection on lenses since you can engage Av easily by turning the mode dial or using a custom mode.

Seriously just try an EOS M. I know it's not FF fantasy whatever but it's small as anything and produces stunning IQ that rivals my 6D in regular daylight (even sunset shots look fine) I cannot tell the difference.

 

[Ryananthony]

Re: Your ultimate 6D Mark II? -- Mirrorless FF?

I love my 6D but occasionally miss some 70D features. So a 6D2 with 80D features would be a killer combination!

Now for my blasphemy: Make the FF 6D2 mirrorless with an EVF like the Leica SL or Q. Include an adapter for EF lenses so that we can use our glass. Other adapters would allow the beautiful images from an old Leica Summicron or even Canon FD lenses -- etc...

Shooting with a Leica Q has given me a renewed appreciation for simple interfaces. I shoot with my eye to the EVF yet I know how to change aperture, shutter, exp. comp. and ISO... by feel, not menus!

Face it, most of us shoot in Av. A new line of FF lenses could have the aperture dial on the lens. This ring control could have a detent called "A" for auto aperture selection.

We can all argue about sensor size, frame rate, top shutter speed, rata rata rata
But a smaller bodied Canon EOS FF mirrorless would be perfect for my old fashioned ways.

Eh? So you want a FF mirrorless that's not EF mount? So we would need an adaptor just to use a regular EF lens? What's the benefit of that? So we can use old FD lenses with our 2017 body??

And you know you can change aperture, shutter speed, ISO and exposure comp by looking through the optical viewfinder too, right? The dials work just the same "feely" way that you describe.

And speak for yourself. I shoot in Manual mode. Got no use for Av selection on lenses since you can engage Av easily by turning the mode dial or using a custom mode.

That has to be the oddest 6dii wish list I've seen. Because you shoot in aperture priority, doesn't mean most others do. I don't think I have ever used aperture priority . You do not have to go into any menus to change shutter speed, iso or aperture. Can you explain to me where your head is at? None of that makes sense to me. Sounds like you need a fuji x-t2

 

[Ladislav]

Hello,

The 6DII will eventually come out, hopefully sometime early next year - what would you like to see in the new version? As I own the 6D, there are quite a few things I'd love to see in the 6DII to make me want to upgrade:

-Updated AF system (more points spread across a greater range)
-Dual Pixel AF (being able to use autofocus in video, like an 80D)
-24-28MP (more would be a treat, but I don't think Canon would go over 30, based on the recent rumor, 25 sounds about right)
- -4EV Center Point AF capability, improved ISOs would be great (its already great in the 6D, would love to see more in 6DII)
-Touchscreen and Articulating Screen - Would be SO helpful in so many ways.
-6FPS (more would be nice, but I doubt Canon would go over the 5DIV)
-1080p60fps video (I'd love to see canon throw in 4k thats good, but I doubt they would want the 6dII too close to the 5DIV)

I think those the main things I'd love to see in the new 6DII, what would be your most realistic specs on the 6DII that you'd love to see?

+ Current Canon sensor tech (ISO, DR) which I think is granted for a new camera

I would gladly replace both video features and articulating screen with dual SD card slot but your proposal would work for me as well.

I also want SW features from other bodies. No SW crippling just because it is "cheaper". Eg. I want to be able to set exposure compensation when using auto iso and manual exposure settings.

I definitely don't want something like SL1. I use my 6D with L grade FF lenses and the weight balance on small body would be worse.

 

[StudentOfLight]

23MP at 6fps
45pt AF system (all cross-type)
Fully articulating touch LCD
Dual SD (both UHS II compatible)
Full frame UHD (3840x2160) at 30p
Full frame FHD (1920x1080) at 96p
Wifi/GPS/NFC

 

[Drum]

The 5d mk iv is 7 FPS, the 5diii is 6, there is no way that the next gen 6 series will go to 6fPS. 5 Fps or maybe 5.5 would be the cutoff point for many deciding between buying a new 6 or a new 5 series.
Look at what the 5Div has and then make your wish list. Anything else will lead to disappointment, like it did for many people with the 5D mark iv.
Canon will not sell a 5D mark iv for the price of a 6D mark ii.

 

[Fotofanten]

- lighter build
- better DR
- lower noise levels
- flippy touchy screen, and if so, Dual Pixel AF
- more streamlined wifi implementation and better remote shutter app. NFC
- smaller build
- same or better level of weather sealing

No video, no 4K, no GPS, no high FPS, no bomb proof heavy weight construction. Size helps with ergonomics, but weight is a pure evil, especially for hiking photogs. GPS is a unnecessary luxury when you carry a smartphone, as you can simply snap a picture of the played back picture on the camera screen, with your location-enabled phone.

 

[StudentOfLight]

The 5d mk iv is 7 FPS, the 5diii is 6, there is no way that the next gen 6 series will go to 6fPS. 5 Fps or maybe 5.5 would be the cutoff point for many deciding between buying a new 6 or a new 5 series.
Look at what the 5Div has and then make your wish list. Anything else will lead to disappointment, like it did for many people with the 5D mark iv.
Canon will not sell a 5D mark iv for the price of a 6D mark ii.

5D mark-II was 3.9fps and the 6D was 4.5fps. So at launch the 6D did not simply match the outgoing 5D model for fps, but was actually faster.

Consider:
D610 - 24MP at 6.0 fps
D750 - 24MP at 6.5 fps
D810 - 36MP at 5.0 fps
A7RII - 42MP at 5.0 fps

 

[siegsAR]

DR and ISO = A7s

 

[Zv]

- lighter build
- better DR
- lower noise levels
- flippy touchy screen, and if so, Dual Pixel AF
- more streamlined wifi implementation and better remote shutter app. NFC
- smaller build
- same or better level of weather sealing

No video, no 4K, no GPS, no high FPS, no bomb proof heavy weight construction. Size helps with ergonomics, but weight is a pure evil, especially for hiking photogs. GPS is a unnecessary luxury when you carry a smartphone, as you can simply snap a picture of the played back picture on the camera screen, with your location-enabled phone.

What's wrong with GPS? I like it. It takes no effort to switch it on and saves you time later on mapping every single picture and figuring out where you went. Also, smartphone runs out of battery pretty quickly and is another device you have to remember to use for every location. Nah, GPS in camera is way better.

If you are in the same location all day long then sure one smartphone pic will log your location easily.

I still forget to turn my GPS on sometimes! Then I curse myself later when adding pics to the map on Flickr! Not used to it as part of my shooting routine.

 

[Mikehit]

20mp like the 1DXII APS-H 4K is ideal to me but not to most photographers and Canon marketing staff.

That's the bit that matters and the more vocal wishlisters forget.