Your ultimate 6D Mark II?

[Zv]

I carry a SD card holder and a Passport standalone (battery) drive. Between scenes, I remove the card, load the images onto the hard drive, then store the used card while retrieving an empty.
Back in my office, all the cards are individually imported into LR. The passport is back up. Never had a card fail.
Maybe there are fewer failures if you are double backup protected.
Those without a plan seem to have more issues. I dunno, but I know that my stuff is safe -- one slot or two.
BUT... if the 6DII had two cards, I will trade in my 6D1 and shoot parallel cards anyway...

Exactly, a good solid workflow is more important when it comes to back ups. Dual card slots won't protect you against a catastrophic camera failure (like a dip in the ocean) or getting stolen but a good workflow would ensure at least some of the images were already backed up.

 

[Alejandro]

Hello,

The 6DII will eventually come out, hopefully sometime early next year - what would you like to see in the new version? As I own the 6D, there are quite a few things I'd love to see in the 6DII to make me want to upgrade:

-Updated AF system (more points spread across a greater range)
-Dual Pixel AF (being able to use autofocus in video, like an 80D)
-24-28MP (more would be a treat, but I don't think Canon would go over 30, based on the recent rumor, 25 sounds about right)
- -4EV Center Point AF capability, improved ISOs would be great (its already great in the 6D, would love to see more in 6DII)
-Touchscreen and Articulating Screen - Would be SO helpful in so many ways.
-6FPS (more would be nice, but I doubt Canon would go over the 5DIV)
-1080p60fps video (I'd love to see canon throw in 4k thats good, but I doubt they would want the 6dII too close to the 5DIV)

I think those the main things I'd love to see in the new 6DII, what would be your most realistic specs on the 6DII that you'd love to see?

I don't care for 4k, but if canon want to continue selling the 6DII into 2018 and beyond it will need 4k, it's the future and many other cameras are getting it.

I'd stick with 20MP but go for UBER-low light. If you want mega-resolution the 5Dsr is there.

Also I'd put in a precision double-cross centre point and a few widely spaced cross points. i.e. you can focus nearly anywhere, you can focus very precisely, but it isn't an out and out high speed tracking monster like the 7D/5D/1D

I'll agree with you, ill rather have a 22mp low light monster with -4 EV than a "dinamyc range improved" 24 mpx "2014 d750" brother.

Look at the high iso from the 1Dx2 compared to the D5 (D5 copied the canon formula of the latest cameras).

 

[FECHariot]

DUAL SD CARD SLOTS.


Without that, Canon can keep this DSLR.


Anyone who drops more than $2,000 on a camera body in this day and age that has only one memory card slot is crazy in my opinion.

Or just, you know, umm... buy better SD cards. It's totally fine having one card slot - there is risk of failure in everything, having two slots might reduce this risk but it doesn't eliminate it entirely.

Do you have 2 cars in case one fails to start for work in the morning? The dual slot thing only feeds paranoia IMO - unless you are a pro shooting some VIP stuff in the middle of nowhere or doing sports/wildlife. Average joe photographer who shoots occasionally about once a week could probably do just fine without. And that's who the 6D is aimed at.

Even if I had two slots I'd still just use one. I accept things will fail rarely but not that they will fail all the time. When did that thinking become the norm? Can anyone here tell me when dual slots genuinely saved their ass?

I'm probably more likely to accidentally format my card than anything else!

Agree. If the 6D2 comes out with a dual slot that is fine, but the only way I would buy a second card is if it turns out that you can greatly increase the number of shots taken before filling the buffer by writing jpegs to one and raw to the other.

 

[bluenoser1993]

Some nice reasonable replies, The 19 pt AF system is highly likely in my view, I think the 44 points in the 80D is bringing it too close to the 5 series. I also think that 6FPS is too close to the 5's as well much more likely 5 or even 5.5. The thing about this camera is it may be considered entry level FF but a lot of people seem to be using it like a pro level. My personal feeling is that only the AF and megapixel count will be changed and that it will be priced back up around the 22-2500 $ £ or €, Then it may come down but not for a good while.

In Canada, a National retailer Henry's categorizes the 6D as pro grade while the 7DII is only Enthusiast, supporting the bold comment above.

I currently use a 7DII and have been quite tempted to jump at some low used prices for a 6D, they'd make a nice pair but the current 6D can not replace the 7DII for my sports usage over water with reach limits. I am on the fence to wait it out though, as a single body solution would be preferable (mainly for the wife's sake) because I could make due with 5 fps (that statement would sound ridiculous 10 years ago) if the AF was anywhere between the 19 to 44 point range. In my reach limited application, mathematically a 1.6 crop from the 25MP frame would be 10MP, but by some peoples experimentation the advantage of crop on same generation sensors is only about 20% which would yield a 17MP (affective, not actual obviously) crop from the FF. As the 6DII is next generation, the latter is more likely, maybe better.

If the specs can meet those requirements for me, I'll dump the 7DII and 17-55 f2.8 to buy a new kit. If not, hopefully most buyers will be satisfied and buy the 6DII in droves, driving down the 6D price further for me. Either way, waiting seems my best option as what I have is working well for now.

I would miss some of the exterior controls of the 7DII, particularly the focus point knob, but I imagine a touch screen would mitigate a lot of that. I haven't used any of the existing models with touch so I'm making an assumption.

 

[j-nord]

I think I've decided that Canon is NOT going to impress me with the 6DII even though they are rumored to be moving it up market. I'm expecting a tilty touch screen which is fantastic but m-pix and fps both below the 5DIV. As a result, I've pretty much written off the the 6DII as an upgrade route.

 

[GMCPhotographics]

The role of the Canon 6DII is the same as the role of the 6D...to nix the S/H sales of the previous generation 5D.
So the 6D was brought to market to trash the resale of the 5DII, it's spec was pretty similar. Which would indicate that the 6DII will need to trash the resale values of the 5DIII. I see they have similar resolution....and Canon makes no money on S/H sales.

 

[tron]

The role of the Canon 6DII is the same as the role of the 6D...to nix the S/H sales of the previous generation 5D.
So the 6D was brought to market to trash the resale of the 5DII, it's spec was pretty similar. Which would indicate that the 6DII will need to trash the resale values of the 5DIII. I see they have similar resolution....and Canon makes no money on S/H sales.

Thanks for the insight. Maybe I have to hurry putting one of my 5D3s for sale (I got a 5D4 but haven't checked it completely yet). But on the other hand I got a 5D4 knowing I will sell a 5D3. Ultimately if 5D4 proves excellent I will replace both my 5D3 cameras. If I cannot sell them for a decent amount of money I ... will not get another 5D4. So somehow 2nd hand sales help Canon (I got a 2nd 5D3 when I sold my 5D2...)

 

[rrcphoto]

The role of the Canon 6DII is the same as the role of the 6D...to nix the S/H sales of the previous generation 5D.

I doubt this.

for starters, the previous model as the entire R&D already amortized and paid for, it's just assembly costs at the end of lifecycle of manufacturing.

a new camera has alot more "overhead" attached.

the 6D was created simply because they knew well in advance Nikon was coming out with the D600, and they needed a response.

 

[j-nord]

The role of the Canon 6DII is the same as the role of the 6D...to nix the S/H sales of the previous generation 5D.
So the 6D was brought to market to trash the resale of the 5DII, it's spec was pretty similar. Which would indicate that the 6DII will need to trash the resale values of the 5DIII. I see they have similar resolution....and Canon makes no money on S/H sales.

I think there is a degree of truth to this. The 6DII will easily be comparable if not better than the 5DIII in most regards. It's better for canon to sell new 6DII's then let 5DIIIs satisfy the lower budget consumers/2nd hand consumers. Canon gets no slice of the 2nd hand pie where as the will get a lot for the 6DII regardless of the R&D costs. I think the 6D line is a win-win for Canon, this is just one of the wins.

 

[Besisika]

Mine would be:
DPAF
Tilt screen
4K 30fps
but most of all; small enough for single hand gimbal
if any Canon body has those I will consider.

 

[rfdesigner]

The role of the Canon 6DII is the same as the role of the 6D...to nix the S/H sales of the previous generation 5D.
So the 6D was brought to market to trash the resale of the 5DII, it's spec was pretty similar. Which would indicate that the 6DII will need to trash the resale values of the 5DIII. I see they have similar resolution....and Canon makes no money on S/H sales.

I think there is a degree of truth to this. The 6DII will easily be comparable if not better than the 5DIII in most regards. It's better for canon to sell new 6DII's then let 5DIIIs satisfy the lower budget consumers/2nd hand consumers. Canon gets no slice of the 2nd hand pie where as the will get a lot for the 6DII regardless of the R&D costs. I think the 6D line is a win-win for Canon, this is just one of the wins.

Agreed, But if you could buy a 5D3 with the new sensor tech for $2k why would anyone buy a MkIV?

 

[j-nord]

The role of the Canon 6DII is the same as the role of the 6D...to nix the S/H sales of the previous generation 5D.
So the 6D was brought to market to trash the resale of the 5DII, it's spec was pretty similar. Which would indicate that the 6DII will need to trash the resale values of the 5DIII. I see they have similar resolution....and Canon makes no money on S/H sales.

I think there is a degree of truth to this. The 6DII will easily be comparable if not better than the 5DIII in most regards. It's better for canon to sell new 6DII's then let 5DIIIs satisfy the lower budget consumers/2nd hand consumers. Canon gets no slice of the 2nd hand pie where as the will get a lot for the 6DII regardless of the R&D costs. I think the 6D line is a win-win for Canon, this is just one of the wins.

Agreed, But if you could buy a 5D3 with the new sensor tech for $2k why would anyone buy a MkIV?

I'm not sure what you are getting at. The 5DIV will still be a better camera than the 6DII, those who can afford it, will still likely get the 5DIV. The 6D was basically a 5DII with upgraded sensor...

 

[rfdesigner]

The role of the Canon 6DII is the same as the role of the 6D...to nix the S/H sales of the previous generation 5D.
So the 6D was brought to market to trash the resale of the 5DII, it's spec was pretty similar. Which would indicate that the 6DII will need to trash the resale values of the 5DIII. I see they have similar resolution....and Canon makes no money on S/H sales.

I think there is a degree of truth to this. The 6DII will easily be comparable if not better than the 5DIII in most regards. It's better for canon to sell new 6DII's then let 5DIIIs satisfy the lower budget consumers/2nd hand consumers. Canon gets no slice of the 2nd hand pie where as the will get a lot for the 6DII regardless of the R&D costs. I think the 6D line is a win-win for Canon, this is just one of the wins.

Agreed, But if you could buy a 5D3 with the new sensor tech for $2k why would anyone buy a MkIV?

I'm not sure what you are getting at. The 5DIV will still be a better camera than the 6DII, those who can afford it, will still likely get the 5DIV. The 6D was basically a 5DII with upgraded sensor...

I'm saying if the 6DII is an upgraded 5DIII, the gap between a 6DII and the 5DIV would be MUCH smaller than the gap between the 6D and the 5DIII was.

 

[GMCPhotographics]

The role of the Canon 6DII is the same as the role of the 6D...to nix the S/H sales of the previous generation 5D.
So the 6D was brought to market to trash the resale of the 5DII, it's spec was pretty similar. Which would indicate that the 6DII will need to trash the resale values of the 5DIII. I see they have similar resolution....and Canon makes no money on S/H sales.

I think there is a degree of truth to this. The 6DII will easily be comparable if not better than the 5DIII in most regards. It's better for canon to sell new 6DII's then let 5DIIIs satisfy the lower budget consumers/2nd hand consumers. Canon gets no slice of the 2nd hand pie where as the will get a lot for the 6DII regardless of the R&D costs. I think the 6D line is a win-win for Canon, this is just one of the wins.

Agreed, But if you could buy a 5D3 with the new sensor tech for $2k why would anyone buy a MkIV?

I'm not sure what you are getting at. The 5DIV will still be a better camera than the 6DII, those who can afford it, will still likely get the 5DIV. The 6D was basically a 5DII with upgraded sensor...

I'm saying if the 6DII is an upgraded 5DIII, the gap between a 6DII and the 5DIV would be MUCH smaller than the gap between the 6D and the 5DIII was.

Well, Canon has been doing this sort of thing for a while. After the 7DII was launched, the 70D was basically a 7D or close enough spec wise. Sure, a little lighter and a slightly newer sensor. But anyone thinking about buying a used 7D has to seriously consider a 70D instead. Likewise, the 6DII is likely to be very similar to the 5DIII in specs and a bit lighter. Maybe one new feature.

 

[James Larsen]

I had no idea this thread was still going

Lots of great specs from all of you. I think something I really want to see is like ridiculously good ISO performance with a better AF system. That'll sell me for sure.

 

[pedro]

I had no idea this thread was still going

Lots of great specs from all of you. I think something I really want to see is like ridiculously good ISO performance with a better AF system. That'll sell me for sure.

yap...pondering on prefering a cheaper sony a7sII over a canon 6DII, but still hoping for a significant high iso improvement in its next iteration...my current 6D definitely rocks...

 

[rfdesigner]

I had no idea this thread was still going

Lots of great specs from all of you. I think something I really want to see is like ridiculously good ISO performance with a better AF system. That'll sell me for sure.

yap...pondering on prefering a cheaper sony a7sII over a canon 6DII, but still hoping for a significant high iso improvement in its next iteration...my current 6D definitely rocks...

How much is significant.

There's only about 2 stops of high ISO improvement left before you hit the brick wall that's physics, and those two stops won't come cheap.

 

[DCP]

All compared to current 6D.......23 MP max, better low light performance and less noise at high ISO-1 full stop better, make this a more dedicated night sky and landscape use camera, -max ISO 204,800, much better AF with lots more points-41 ish, lighter and smaller body for backcountry excursion use, swiveling/articulating bigger LCD screen 3.2 and 1.6 mil dots, less mushy buttons, 200,000 shutter life, faster shutter response in silent mode, 5 fps, 14.0 dynamic range, dual card slots, 24.5 or higher color depth, at least -3 AV low light focusing, better wether sealing. Come on Canon, stop playing catch up in video and get with the program, -get REAL 4k on here. Every time you put video on a body less than 4k you are going backwards in time, Nikon has 4k on aps-c already.

 

[tcmatthews]

I had no idea this thread was still going

Lots of great specs from all of you. I think something I really want to see is like ridiculously good ISO performance with a better AF system. That'll sell me for sure.

yap...pondering on prefering a cheaper sony a7sII over a canon 6DII, but still hoping for a significant high iso improvement in its next iteration...my current 6D definitely rocks...

I would keep in mind that the A7sII does not focus well with Canon Lenses. The A7II and A7rII are much better than the A7sII with auto focus. The A7sIII and A7III are likely to be announced around the same time as the 6DII. I can understand the desire for a smaller body I sold my 6D when my A7II received an auto focus update. But the low light ISO 3200 and up the Canon 6D has more dynamic range.

Given how well the A7III is likely to auto focus with Canon lenses Canon better release a substantial upgrade to the 6DII.

 

[geekpower]

i'm just going to be bit of a party spoiler here and point out that "ultimate 6dii" is a non sequitor.

the 6d is the entry level full frame body, therefor the feature and performance considerations are going to be along the lines of, "what are the fewest features we can put in this and still sell it purely on the strengths of being full frame?"

i think modest increases in resolution and DR are likely, and given its frequent use for landscapes, an articulating screen would definitely be nice to have, but speed, af, and video capabilities are all going to lag significantly behind the 5d and even 7d series.