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The following came from a comment here at Canon Rumors. Not sure why I wasn’t emailed, but here they are anyway. :)

Specifications

  • 13.8 mp Sensor
  • 11 pt AF w/new technology on center af point
  • 6.5 FPS
  • Video as T2i (additional crop modes of 1080(2x) and 720(3.5x)
  • Native ISO (100-6400) H1,H2
  • 98% VF
  • Improved sharpness and one stop improvement over 7d in High ISO

Take this for what it’s worth.

Thanks LukeLx

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182 Comments

  • “Improved sharpness and one stop improvement over 7d in High ISO”

    LOL

    new sensor? new AF?

    Nothing more than a wish list.

  • Every camera distinguishes itself somehow from the others, even if it is a “lower” model.

    I’d certainly not mind if in this case it’s in the higher iso department.

    Waiting…

    Cheers

  • This camera makes no sense. I could see them putting out a DSLR that is focused on stills. But why take away from the 550D and the 7D market when both those cameras have so many months left in rotation?

    I could see a price drop on the 7D to fill the Gap. 550D=D90 (not really but its in the range) 7d=D300s.

    Flooding the market with 3 cameras that do the same thing would be pointless.

  • Seems mostly believable.

    Though I think the ‘improvement over the 7D in high ISO’ to be a little over the top…. Especially a full stop better? I know it [allegedly] has a lower resolution which would help, but I still find it suspect.

  • Cant believe the 13.8 MP note..

    Canon cannot downgrade themselves in case of megapixels..

  • The 60D is coming very soon ! How do i know? – well i gave up waiting and bought the 7D this weekend … Mr Murphy will have something to say i’m sure !

  • Also, the putative specs came from C(harles) Bronson, not LukeLx.

    ***

    LukeLx Reply:

    April 26th, 2010 at 8:33 am

    To be precise, a 12MP APS-C, with an effective Servo tracking would be great to me, even if it would not be a completly new series but “only” a new tendency.

    Reply

    C Bronson Reply:

    April 26th, 2010 at 10:53 am

    ***

    So is Charles Bronson reliable? :P

  • I’d ditch my D90 in a heartbeat for a camera with these specs. Maybe Canon has finally realized that cramming more pixels into a tiny sensor isnt really working?

  • I think it makes plenty of sense, although I would be surprised if the 60D was not 18MP. Then again less MP make it easier to achieve better sharpness and high-iso performance.

    Taking sales away from the 550D/T2i can only be good for Canon as the more expensive series should have a better margin.

    In terms of weight/build quality, there is a huge gap between the 550D and 7D that waits to be filled. To keep the distance to the 7D and not eat sales from that market, I could imagine a plastic body (but bigger and more robust than 550D) and SD card instead of CF.

    And whoever claims that the 550D and 7D target the same market…

  • I was writing it.
    Yes i emailed the quote (C Bronson name was included), i think that’s why there’s my name, but specs are totally from C Bronson.

  • this specs and price in the middle between 550 and 7D – might be the final “thanks and byebye” for my 350D.

  • 60D a zig — If the 60D is just in between the T2i and the 7D there would not be much to differentiate it from either.

    Here’s my guess — The 60D will be marketed as a DSLR optimized for video (here the new crop video modes fit in). The 13.8 MP makes sense — allowing better low light performance for video, with plenty of resolution to support 1080p even in crop modes. Here’s my speculative spin: the 60D will have an articulated LCD — which a lot of viedeographers have been clamoring for.

    Many of us who mainly shoot stills will still prefer the better low light performance from the 13.8 MP sensor, and will find its resolution and file size a preferable tradeoff to larger files from an 18MP sensor.

    This will position the 60D between the T2i and the 7D, but will give it a zig to the side to make the choice more interesting for customers.

    Personally, if the 60D is just a T2i with a better body and a rear control wheel, I’d save money and get a tT2i. But a 60D that zigs would be worth the jump in price!

  • As a 7D user, I am looking forward to a full-frame Canon camera for better sharpness and less noise at high ISO. I wanted to like the 5D Mark II, but, after having 7D for quite a while, I want a camera that has the feel of camera control as the 7D with the full-frame sensor as in 5D Mark II (or better).

    So, if Canon releases 60D with such specs with APS-H sensor (there are rumors that it could be such), I wouldn’t wait for the new 5D Mark III.

  • I just bought the 7d, if the these specs are true, which I doubt i’d be pissed off.

  • I also bought the 7D a few weeks ago. I don’t care if the rumours are true the 7D is still much better. Plus I’ve been taking pictures instead of checking rumours.

    No buyers regret here, the camera is great

  • Assuming that C Bronson’s specs are correct, 1 stop of advantage against the 7D on a 13.8MP sensor it’s easily achievable.
    The distance between 40D’s sensor and 7D’s sensor seems to start right around 1EV for DxO http://bit.ly/asUOAK (=3dB, in favour of the 40D), even comparing them visually using dpreview’s 100% crops that compares noise, the 40D got the point.
    More than 3 years of research should be ok to bring the same S/N ratio, DR and tonal range on a 13.8MP sensor.

  • Tee hee — had to look that up. OK, I’m definitely NOT saying the 60D will play video games, not even with poor translation…

  • There’s no way Canon would move the xxD series away from EF-S. They’ve rolled out too many EF-S lenses to do that.

  • I believe the 60D 1 stop improvement over 7D because the file size is smaller. Just as D3s appears to have 1 stop better at 12mp over 5D2 at 21MP but if both the same size and add a bit of NR and lower the contrast and you cant tell the different at high ISO.

  • Agree.
    I don’t own the 7D, but if I did, I would have no regrets.
    Otherwise, I’ll be constantly telling myself “The next model will be better, I should wait”

  • Canon is never going to put an APS-H sensor into an xxD Camera, and leave the likes of a 7D, or 7D type camera an APS-C sensor.

    I would think/hope that Canon would put an APS-H sensor into the next 7D, as that would make much more sense.

    With the 7D being what it is, an APS-H sensor would make the most sense in that range, and still not take away from the 5D’s FF capabilities. Also, it would put the 7D into a more professional setting, and I belive increasing sales.

  • Hell, if it matches the ISO of the 7D I’d be happy. My 40D is getting a little long in the tooth these days and I’d like to relegate it to being my (still totally awesome) backup camera. 7D is at the edge of my price range, and the 5DMII is wishful thinking.

  • Seems strange that Canon would launch the 7D as a new upper-end series camera, then make a 60D with better ISO performance.

    I’m still not convinced there’s a 60D in the works at all, at least not coming soon.

  • Again, if C Bronson’s specs are correct, improved sharpness is something that comes automatically, using bigger photodiodes.
    We’re talking about the real IQ, looking at a 100% crop.
    Using bigger photodiodes increase the S/N ratio, DR etc(using the same technology) and also give us sharper images, for 2 reasons.
    – you’re not pulling lenses to (and beyond) their resolving limit
    – you’re looking at a less magnified image
    So circles of confusion dimension is different, microblur is less visible and you can shoot using the usual 1/f empiric rule.(that doesn’t work for 100% crop on a 18MP sensor, take a peek at Galbraith’s photos and you’ll notice kids blurred at 1/500, doing nothing special)
    7D’S 100% crops looks like nothing is in focus(forgetting also the nearest diffraction limit), while up to 10-12MP 100% crops are almost detailed and usable as the entire image.
    I really don’t know if specs are right, but the last line is totally correct for a lower density sensor.

  • OK, here is what I got from the Cat figurine with the gold coin at the Japanese Sushi Bar.

    – It will be 14 MP, because the number 15 gave me the stink eye and the number 13 is ugly.
    – It will be named the 9D to make clear the bifurcation between the consumer Rebel series and the prosumer lines (1D > 3D > 5D > 7D > 9D)
    – New sensor technology that will set the pace for the next 5 years; likely a backlit CMOS.
    – It will introduce the “Common Accessory Mount” or CAM system for short. Canon sees the current mounting issues as untenable; where the flash, audio, LED lights ect… are all vying for one hotshoe. Canon will move to establish a common interface for the whole industry modeled on the success of the Picatinny Rail in firearms (note: not the design of the system, but the universal adoption of a common mounting solution).

  • And I would be glad they decrease the number of pixels!!!
    It makes the RAW files easier to manipulate and it actually makes sense when you see the 1D4 spec (16MP for APS-H so about same density as a 40D).
    A 60D would have to get a different sensor from the 7D to find its customers.

  • Like many others here, I figured that since I bought a 7D, Canon would be coming out soon with a 60D.

    I’ve been trying to look at it from a business, rather than an emotional perspective and I’m just not sure. The major difference between the 7D and the Rebel is build quality.

    While Canon could put the Rebel into a 7D-type body and market it at slightly lower cost than the 7D, I’m not sure it would be a wise business move. The differences in features are just not that great and it might make more sense to ratchet the cost of the 7D down slightly instead of retooling for a new model.

    Ultimately, it will depend on what their market research and Nikon does, but at this time, I’m not seeing any good business reason to try to shoehorn something in between the 7D and the new Rebel.

  • fair enough. It’s just skeptical because “improved sharpness” usually isn’t something that is mentioned as a specification for a new product

  • Nikon has already admitted that they have lost sales due to their low MP cameras. This comment wasn’t lost on Canon.

    However, I don’t see a place in the Canon lineup for a 60D unless they are going to price it at S1100.

    Lower prices are a possibility, since Sony shows occasional signs of wanting to compete on price.

  • wow! sounds like my new camera! ive been waiting for a reasonable upgrade for my 40d but ended up always disappointed. i hope this specs are true! if so, CONGRATS CANON YOU FINALLY DID IT THIS TIME! ITS ABOUT TIME!

  • Needless to say.. I was surprised to see this thread!

    CR guy, I didn’t email you with the specs because i thought i would just blend in to the comments.

    I do NOT work for Canon. I have a relative (in-law) that works in the R&D division. So everything is second hand information.

    From what i understand, Canon is developing a camera that would appeal to the current 7d and xxd owners as a second body. Another 15-18mp camera wouldn’t generate the sales they were looking for.. hence the 13.8mp 60d.

    Since the 7d’s release, i was told that Canon was looking for a ‘sweet spot’ with the number of megapixels. Maximum Sharpness and as little loss in dynamic range in high ISO’s..

    Apparently.. the number of megapixels in this ‘sweet spot’ increases as the technology improves. I’m not a technical guy, so i have no idea how it correlates. I guess 13.8 is the current sweet spot for the canon 1.6 crop.

    The ‘improved sharpness’ and ‘one stop improvement’ obviously are not canon official specs.. it was 2 guys talking shop over a couple beers!

  • I completely disagree with the posters who said that this camera will hurt the 550D(T2i). I think it’ll hurt the 7D more. THAT is why Canon lowered the mega pixels so it wouldn’t compete with the 7D. But in doing so, it’ll probably hurt itself more. Because if true, now you could buy a 550D for less and get more mega pixels. And for alittle more you can get the 7D with more mega pixels. To me the 60D would have been a MUCH better candidate to make the FIRST “AFFORDABLE” FF DSLR. Who knows, maybe the lowered mega pixel count is a clue that that MAY indeed be the case. If so…BRAVO. An FF 60D between the 550D and 7D makes MUCH more sense to me…than having THREE crop cameras that may canablize and make a crop 60D pointless. IMHO. :-)

  • I hope the specs stay relatively true, as it would piss off quite a bit of recent 7d owners who made the purchase!

  • maybe with the release throw in a 7d $200 price drop and/or rebate to add to the fire too!

  • speak for yourself. i aint geting a 550d due to its build quality and ergonomics. and i aint getting a 7d becoz of its poor IQ. if canon could give a decent 13mp camera with improved IQ and high iso performance then a lot of people will go for it. for sure at 13mp with the current sensor technologies it would be as clean as it can get.

  • I upgraded from 40D to 5DII and it is well worth it. The difference is huge.

    The 7D is an excellent upgrade from the 40D as well, but for me it was the lure of FF, and the 5D does not disappoint. Low light performance is great, even with 21 MP. The difference in pixel size on the 40D and the 5DII is not huge, but the low light performance improvement is huge, probably two stops. Then you can still use noise reduction and still have a lot more detail than the 10MP 40D.

  • I’d like to see a small body version of the 1D. APS-H would be fine. Give it all the performance you can, but body size of the 5DII. Basically an APS-H 7D. I’d be willing to part with $3500 for that.

  • Anybody thinking it is a full frame will be wishful thinking. Think about film era, there are Rebel, Elan2E/7E, A2E, 3, 1V. They all have the same sensor, and the difference is in the body.

    Now: Rebel is still Rebel, 1D is in place of 1V, 5D take the post of 3, 7D took the spot of A2E. There is no replacement for the Elan serie. You need better buffer, 2 wheels and better body, that is where xxD fit in place of Elan. So 60D still make sense.

  • I think a FF is totally possible. Look, the 50D was the prosumer crop camera, now the 7D is. The 550D is the consumer crop dslr. To shoe horn another crop camera in between just seems overkill to me. HOWEVER, if they make it an affordable FF….that’d be NEWS, and it’d make more sense to me. Yeah…wishful thinking maybe….but thats how I feel :-)

  • Here here Zach. I am with you brother. I have an aging 40D and would do exactly what you are proposing. But, hey, bro, let’s go to for 1stop improvement… don’t sell out for the 7D ISO… ;-)

  • That would be even harder to place. Something between the 7D and the 5DII it would have to be. More likely if there’s another FF camera it would be something between the 5DII and the 1Ds.

    Affordable and FF don’t really go together.

    What Canon really need is a FF camera with good AF that is reasonably priced (5DIII basically). That will compete with the Nikon D800 (or whatever the replacement for the D700 will be). Right now the 5DII only beats the D700 in MP and video quality. IQ is about the same, but the D700 has better AF… but we all know this.

    Ideal situation for Canon:
    60D beats D90
    7D beats the D300s (7DII beats D400)
    5DIII (hopefully) beats the D800
    1DIV beats the D3s (I’d personally call a draw on this, the D3s has “better” noise at high ISO, but adding NR to the 1DIV pretty much equals things out YMMV. D3s is FF which is important for some, but IMHO the 1.3 crop of the 1DIV is an advantage for what it’s aimed at… of course YMMV again).
    1DsIV beats D3x/D4 (whatever).

  • This is most likely because the average dude-with-camera doesn’t really understand MP.

  • You can’t forget the 7D AF system is quite a bit superior to the XXXD line (CANON PLEASE DROP THE “REBEL” NAME).

    I know what you’re talking about though. Back when I had a 40D and the 450D was out. The difference between the two was basically the body (the LCD on the top is really handy though).

    In some ways (XXD owners don’t take this the wrong way) the XXD series is about people looking cool.

  • Canon established the industry’s first sub-$1,000 DSLR market years ago. Perhaps it’s time they once again created a market leading camera at a superb price point. If they do that with a FF camera, that would be ideal for many of us.

    Sales of the 50D have not been as robust as Canon would have liked. There is definitely a market ‘need’ for a good-quality camera in the $1,100-1,350 price range, and I suspect many consumers are holding off making a purchase, as I am, due to the fact that I want a bit more than the Rebel line in terms of quality, fps, etc, but can’t quite afford the $1700+ price of the 7D.

    Whatever they do, it’ll be met on both sides with equal criticism; not enough for some, too much for others.

    Until then…..I’ll wait….it’ll only be a few more months….right?

  • I thought no information can be leaked to the public due to Canon’s privacy policy lol.

    But having read the comment; it’s strange dont you think? Why do canon just looking for the sweet spot now whilst it can be done years back… The R&D department should be more looking forward rather than backwards right?

  • xxD would be 550D with magnesium body casing.
    I dont think canon will make a new sensor with less MP because manufacturing operations would be far to expensive and risky as they lose one marketing points with the loss of MP.

    IMO Canon should really make the 550D with magnesium casing and called it the 60D instead; and release a 550D with nearly the same spec as 60D with articulating screen.

    the problem is canon crop products has too much competition from canon’s product line up. A bit unfortunate… but maybe the 7D should have been a 60D? just a thought… :p

  • I think the 40D has less noise than the 450D and for people wanting to do sports photog with limited budget (otherwise 1D III or iv will be the only choice for it). Its really logical IMO picture quality aside because they are very similar in low iso.

  • OK, I am a new source. Here are the 60D real specs:

    18 mp sensor similar to the 7D

    some 7D features missing (electronic level, etc.)

    AF that is a dumbed down version of the 7D

    HD video

    body simlar to the 50D

  • I agree that the 1DIV beats the D3s. You’ve left out these…

    500D and 550D beat the D5000

    1000D beats the D3000

  • The movement towards SD from CF is inevitable. All the local Best Buys have even ceased stocking CF cards. CF is a dead end.

  • “Sales of the 50D have not been as robust as Canon would have liked.”

    What’s their sales target versus actual sales numbers? Please enlighten us.

  • I too have had the 7D since October ’09 and I love it! It’s far better than my old Canon ( Rebel XT)…

  • Me neither. But I would really appreciate 13.8 MP or less due to RAW Files seize / processing speed…
    But who knows?

  • It is not R&D that look for a sweet spot in performance, it is marketing that look for a sweet spot in sales.

  • You may be correct.

    Still, I figure if Canon decides to reduce the resolution to 13.8MP, maybe the target group is different for this 60D.

  • i like the 5d but its way beyond my budget. i thought of the 7d then came a lot of bad comments, reviews so i changed my mind. up to now, some says the 7d is great but there are more saying that its crap

  • i have no idea, havent tried it. but read a lot of complaints about it especially returning it after a week.

  • no mention of 5Dmk2 beating out the D700… I have a 5Dmk2 and I’m envious of D700’s AF and Wireless flash triggers. I used my Uncle’s D3 before I got into DSLRs and I liked that alot, always been tempted to try out the D700 since it’s pretty similar. But when it comes down to it, L lens are sexier.

  • Current CF cards are at least twice as fast as SDHC cards, and can grow 30% faster.

    Wouldn’t that mean that CF has a future in high-performance cameras ?

  • Yes, release date is correct. And by then it will be competing with Nikons new super high quality 5 mega pixel sensor, which provides a new benchmark for crop sensor high ISO performance. HAHAHA

  • I’m really looking forward to it if these specs are true. have been waiting for canon to reduce mp count for long long time

  • Generally speaking most of this comparisons are right, but there are some interesting aspects.
    Regarding numbers, D3X/D3 sales were much more than 1D/1DsIII, from 2/3 to 3/4 for Nikon (D3X+D3) and 1/4 to 1/3 for Canon(1D+1Ds III).
    I don’t know how D3S and 1DIV had changed these tendency.
    5DMkII sold much more than D700, and Canon often remember this. But they’re blind if they think that ppl had chosen between a 21MP wedding/photojournalism oriented camera, and a 12MP sport oriented camera, they simply represent a pro(semipro for canon) series, and 5DMkII success is in large part due to the fact it was the 1st HD-DSLR on the market, and at the same time the best it could be since it’s a FF.(let’s forget the 30p/24p…)
    Every serious video shooter bought a 5DMkII, but some of these camera never shot 1 single photo, since they are now mirrorless (to use bigger cinema lenses).
    It would be better that Canon think about these aspects if they want to keep the leadership in this segment, and simply to not think that a wedding camera was better than a sport camera.
    In the lower series, i tried a D3000 and surely the 1000D it’s generally better, but there’s a big “but”.
    D3000’s AF Tracking (Continuous + Dinamic AF, for fast moving subjects), works better than all Canon’s AF from 300D to 50D.
    I’ve got a 300D and a 40D, and as you all surely know, you simply don’t have the possibility to configure them, and tracking sucks, if you don’t have the sky on the background, you’ve to use a single point to be sure. 7D is the 1st one that let you choose, then 1D/1Ds.
    D3000 -> 300€, 50D -> 700€(1200€ when it came out), and it’s a 2 series upper camera.
    The AF is the 1st aspect that Canon should improve(on 5DMkII also), and luckily the road was already opened by the 7D.

  • The prolly changed the sensor to give better a more accurate depth of field compared to a S35 film . also the Red one camera is only 12 mega pixels. i think this camera may have the most video features of all of them. they definitely have some stuff planned.

  • Now if we can get a 3D with a FF sensor in the sweet spot for noise and DR, with 1 series AF and weather sealing……

  • Yes but, WHEN WHEN WHEN WHEN?¿?¿?¿¿, I’m not going to spend 1700 in a 7D but i want a better camera than T2 550. my 350D is near death 45000 shots on 5 years a lot of travels and i need a change, its possible to see the new 60D befor summer?????’THANKS

  • I agree with some comments here which pointed out the video features of todays DSLRs:
    I really think that there is a market for video optimized DSLRs which have also a serious photgraphic value. I see a convergence between photo and video just in the web news and tv news.
    What about a camera for photo journalists which has good video features (video quality, articulated view finder, CROP MODES!) combined with a medium fast but reliable stills camera. The main advantage of such a solution is that you have video for action, stills for more or less static scenes WITHOUT changing the tool NOR changing the lens?

    Two bodies with
    * 10-22 ultrawide
    * 70-200 tele or 2.0 100mm prime
    give you a wide range of operation. Two arms/two shoulders … a biological limitation for the two camera solution.

    And the CROP modes would be very welcome: avoid lens changes (dirty environment, time), gain depth of field for extreme telephoto (helpful for journalism), preserve high apertures, and use the SWEET SPOT of lenses …

    A D60 as the high quality video option with a “slow photography” (e.g. 5 or 6 fps instead of 8 or 10 fps) capability optimized for high quality images …

    The CROP feature also might use enhanced pixel binning – in my opinion this is a new feature which might improve video quality extremely. In the case of the 1080p crop you see a 4 x 4 binning from a 12.5 MPixel area – perhaps a hint to the ~ 13-14 MPixels of the rumour?

  • CF is faster than SD as has been pointed out above, CF cards will gradually be replaced with SSD as technology matures. High bandwidth applications like 1080p and 2k-4k video will be more doable in body with SSD. I’d imagine that the 1D mk V’s will probably include SSD, maybe even the 1ds IV. Neither SD cards or CF have the bandwidth and capacity that SSD offers and if you are dropping £4000+ on a body you can afford £500 or so for 256GB of high bandwidth “film”.

  • The G11 is a strange one as I’ve heard a certain big name photographer has been shooting for a big fashion publication in France this month using the G10.

    If it’s the G10 being used then there must be a good reason for that model instead of the G11.

    I was told they had quite a few toys to use with it though, it’ll be interesting to see the final shots.

  • Why is it imperative to stay EF-S on xxD? Those L lenses cost a lot more = more profit.

  • I agree that the xxD series is dead unless it goes to FF, there is no other way to introduce it when there is the 550d/7d. It will be lower res than the 5D II and not have the autofocus of the 7D but it will be able to use lenses of traditional focal lengths.

  • Nothing. But I’m with Etienne, I would love to see an affordable APS-H camera, which sure won’t be called 60D, anyway.

  • Jeez, can a cr3 come on out and say something please? We’ve been speculating for almost a year and i’m tired of waiting for something above the rebel and beloe the 7d. I really want to upgrade by november this year and if canon doesn’t come out with a 60d by then, i’ll ditch all my canon gear and get a d90 or its replacement.

  • The price just went up on the Canon flash. I smell a new round of rebates coming, maybe the spring rebates?

  • ………. you complain about 7D poor IQ and you’ve never tried it……. don’t do any useless comments like this..

  • FF is still a possibility, since Nikon announced that in the next years, almost all of their SLR camera WILL BE full frame. maybe Canon will try to get it out before them to steal the market

  • I tried the 7D and i agree that IQ is poor for my standard. Also, everyone can download 7D’s RAW files and judge by himself without the need of phisically trying one, that’s the digital era.
    DPreview, CameraLabs, ImageResource etc etc.
    The only important thing is to judge the quality looking at a 100% crop, or you wouldn’t notice so much differences between an iPhone and a 1DsIII.
    To know how well the AF works, how tough the body is, etc, then you definitly need to try one, but IQ just need RAWs.

  • That would indeed make sense – more sense than an APS-H 60D anyways.

    It would also force 7D mark II users to buy FF lenses which are generally more expensive.

  • So you think that cameras are going to move to a 2.5″ HDD form factor for their storage? Not bloody likely.

  • and make the whole EF-S line of lenses obsolete? BS

    If they were thinking along those lines, the 1D4 and 7D would be FF.

    BTW, I do not believe either that Nikon will make their entire line FF. Small size and low weight (of lens and body) are important marketing arguments at the entry level. With FF things can only become bigger. So the key question is: what does *almost* mean.

  • Your technical explanation is spot on, but I wouldn’t call 100% crop “real IQ”. Real IQ is what you get when printing at the same size. All else being equal, sampling well beyond what the lens is capable of will make the 100% crop look like crap but won’t diminish the actual IQ.

  • Well-well… Do you seriously think Canon will release a 7D-killer? That would be funny, heh. But not in current reality.

  • i really hope this is true, especially the last two points about the bigger viewfinder and increased ISO performance. wireless flash capability would be icing on the cake.

  • Sounds like good marketing positioning — a dslr enhanced / optimized for video — but with great stills as well, with a bit better high ISO noise than a higher MP camera.

    All I’d add is an articulated arm full size 3″ LCD. :)

  • Impossible to implement even if true. There are only 20 FF sensors that can be made on an 8-inch wafer as against 200 APS-C sized ones. FF sensors would always cost significantly more, would have lower yield, and thus would limit supply and therefore fewer cameras can be sold.

  • How much fact is really behind this rumor? “some guy posted this comment”…. Who, should i believe this guy know something and in case i should, why should I?

  • Can you provide a link stating of D3/D3s/D3x beating 1D/1Ds series? I can see a huge sales on D3* series in 07-08, but I guess it is the tidal wave after a long drought. 09 number seems more interesting (considering 1D4 not available in 2009, and it actually hold up the sale of 1d3)

    I only see the top20 number of 2009 in Jap market and 5D2 is WAY out selling D700. and 7D is out selling D300, because none of D700/D300 made the top20 list. On dpreview, you can see a lot of ppl are getting 5D2 just recently.

    No matter what ppl say bad things about 5D2, AF and banding etc. it still the best all around camera. It offers (almost) the best IQ available with good enough AF for most ppl. The real issue is banding, which requires user to improve the basic exposure skills :).

  • Well remember, that camera as such is just a tool since U can get a “piSS off” ONLY (!) by your own inability to take a good photograph …

    Canon 7D is a great tool !!!

  • I was debating purchasing Nikon D90 or Canon 50D when I came upon rumors of each camera facing replacement. Any advice?

  • better wait a bit for the new ones to appear. Then the prices on both d90 and 50d will drop and you could get a better lens with one of those two. If the new cameras have something that you really are after then you could take into consideration the one that suits you the best

  • around how many iso stops difference between the 7d and 5d2? how about its sharpness? thanks

  • @backshot especiale: “CF cards will gradually be replaced with SSD as technology matures.”

    So you agree that CF cards are a dead end?

  • yea but the red was made as a film camera..

    of course it has less mpix.

    but the 60D is a photocamera! it needs mpix!

    i love video in dslr’s tough.

  • Then i don’t want it. My 5D2 and 40D will just have to hang in there. At least with them you have time to take photos and not spend most of your time editing RAW files.

  • SSD can be in more than 2.5″ format, the memory chips are small. the size of the package can be anything as long as it can fit the memory inside.

    If it is a propriety size then all it needs is power and a connection to the camera, which could be internal or external.

    There are 1.8″ drives available.

    http://www.amazon.com/X18-M-80GB-Mlc-Ssd-5-0MM/dp/B001TPOGY6

    SD < CF < SSD in terms of bandwidth.

    More megapixels, video resolution and higher fps all require more bandwidth. CF is good but there is newer technology that is better is all I'm saying.

  • The Flash memory chips on the SDD drives are the same as in the CF and SD cards. What differs is the number of chips that can be used in parallel, buffer memory and the driver chips that handle which bits go where.

    It should be possible to make something not much larger than CF, with SATA or similar interface and gigantic bandwidth.

    The existing SSD drives are probably optimized for a different sweet spot in power consumption, life time, form factor, etc. That does not exclude that one could not make a “photo special” which looks like a normal SSD to a PC for data transfer.

  • Canon have still to answer the 700D. These specs in FF would do the job nicely. Come on Canon give us what we want.

  • I just take a look at bcn at http://bcnranking.jp/category/subcategory_0008_month.html

    for march, 1D4 is on the list while none of D3(sx) is on the list. Here is some ranking:

    #9 (9) – 7D

    #24 (16) – 7D wit 15-85Is

    #34 (21) – D300s

    #35 (28) – 5D2

    #36 (29) – 5D2 with 24-105

    #40 (33) – D700

    #49 (38) – 7D with 18-200

    #54 (72) – 7D with 18-135

    #59 (44) – D300s with 18-200

    #73 (70) – 1D4

    The number in () is for Feb. So the Jap data doesn’t support your conclusion D3s beats 1D4, because the are out about the same time.

  • I don’t think it will “best” it from a photographic standpoint. I think the best theory is that it will “best” it from a video perspective. I think this pricepoint of the market is the fattest for all-in-one video and high-quality photography.

  • Seems the Pro’s with their FF cameras with low pixel density sensors (~8 MP on APS-C) don’t know what they are doing?

  • Yes, absolutely. A 7D killer with a crap autofocus, forcing iso-addicts to buy a 60D, then a 7D2 when the refresh arrives.

  • The G-series is a much different beast; for consumer cameras the pixel density is immense; scaled up to APS-C DSLRs we’d get something like 111 megapixels worth of image and sensor diffraction kicking in at f/2.

  • What horsecrap; resize to image equivalence. That’s the heart of the matter; image noise is dependent on image equivalence, not 100% crop.

    The kind of image quality you’re talking about is detail versus noise. Canon’s high resolution cameras allow you to capture more detail at low isos compared to Nikon, but at higher isos they also have more noise. When you remove the noise with software, Canon and Nikon have almost exactly the same detail and noise.

  • If you’ve made 1/4 million why are you still using a 7D? Why not upgrade to a D3S (since that’s future-proof, unlike the 1D4) or a 5D2 (since you’re in a studio setting)?

  • 13.8 MP. If this is true, than that would be awesome. But, somehow I doubt Canon is going to put any less than 18 MP into this camera.

  • I am Charles Bronson, not to be confused with C. Bronson, who is a different poster. And it is indeed my real name.

  • I doubt it will be 13.8 MP since the 50D has 15.1 and a .2 increase in fps would cause a serious yawn. Larger viewfinder and video for sure but unless it has a real usable ISO 6400 I think many will pass, might as well spend a few hundred more and get a 7D with better performance all around.

    If Canon is really trying to give us what we want, I need FF, dual digic V, 8fps, 29 AF points with a real usable ISO 12800 at the 3K price point…..

  • I owned 7D since Jan-10 but still wondering how to get low noise at iso 6400..what’s the best customize…

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