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Just thinking out loud here
Canon won’t be attending PMA as we all know, but they WILL be attending WPPI. They can’t be going to WPPI with just the T2i can they?

5D Mark II firmware delays may give a clue as to what is coming down the pipe. Will we get the 60D or the very desired 1Ds Mark IV? I do have a source that swears a 1Ds Mark IV will be around before the end of February.

Again, I’m just throwing this out there.

Another tidbit to think about. Canon has the largest booth at the event and have just launched new ImagePROGRAF printers, The iPF6300/6350 & 8300.

Lenses
Be patient, they’re coming. :)

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  • This is a special opportunity for 5D2 users:

    Canon is giving us a VERY easy way to let them know what 5D Mark II users think…

    AND: they can NOT delete post there! (unless they are insults)

    MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD:

    Post and let them know what you THINK and FEEL on Canon’s own recent uploaded videos.

    Here are 2 videos by Canon where to post on:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f7l-Z4NF70&feature=rec-fresh+div-r-4-HM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdDAfOi3nb0&feature=channel

    They are CanonEurope. Use this OPPORTUNITY , with Respect and Arguments, but firmly.

    Only takes few minutes.

    – If they CAN spend lot of time and resources to make a whole new entry-level model that also includes lot of our requests..can’t they give to Professionals who paid thousands of dollars for body-only and gear what we are requesting since more than 1 year?

    – SURE they can.

    Canon is NOT treating professional customers professionally and we should remind it to them.

    One member also asked there for additional features for the 5D Mark II, like 1:1 crop video, etc. that we DO know they CAN be implemented (and even included a variation on the new 550D)

    We encourage ALL interested users to do the same, because we can get more than “just standard 24/25/30p modes”.

    And remember: Canon can not delete our posts this time… so let’s take advantage of that, respectfully, but to clear any doubt.

    PS: Did you notice 550D also allows you to select maximum ISO value for AutoISO?

    That’s another Requested FIX for the 5D2…

  • Was hoping to see the elusive 24-70 f2.8L IS at some point this month… Pipe dream à-la Duke Nukem Forever?

  • Hi,

    Do you know more about an updated version of the 35mm/1.4L? In 2009 you wrote many times that it was coming. I really want to replace my old and battered 35mm/2.0.

  • I need the 24-70L IS to be anounced soon, I’m tired of waiting on that thing. Also does anyone think they will actually do a firmware to add updates to the 7D to reflect a couple new improvments in the newest rebel offering? And no one waste time and space telling me how it does not matter etc etc and then kick start a conversation about canon history until a nikoner chimes in and complains about how nikon would never need to do updates etc etc, just stick to my question.

  • what’s the problem with upgrading to the current 35 f/1.4 L? it’s one of the sharpest standard primes in the canon lineup

  • again the 60D , stop it

    it’s the time to see the monster , the flaship 1Ds Mark IV

    who does want a 60D , a unless camera
    the next year , we will see the 7d mark2
    the 7d will be sold at the price of the 50D
    it’s better ,isn’t

    go canon!

  • It’s clear that you have a youtube account. You just click “block user” and “delete” and spammers like you are gone.

  • Man… Just bought my 5D MKII… Loking for it ability of low light videos… I’m a jackass…

    thanks canon, I was one of those who is waiting for the cameras firware until june… And with the 550D i’m pretty confident that this is just a marketing thing. The camera is fully possible to use 24p and even 720p 60fps…

    yeah should have waited for a new camera the next days…

  • did canon ever announced a 3D? and said over a time of 10 years…. its done when its done? :)

  • I actually think that the 35 is not in need of an upgrade. But if one did appear I could be swayed to sell my 35 and upgrade. I’d have to see some serious improvements though. Like much sharper wide open, reduce CA, and flourine coating. IS would be fun to have too… If they made it a 1.2 then we’d be talking.

  • Yeah I don’t understand this. Does CR guy KNOW they are coming soon? If so how about a CR3??

    I mean that’s like saying a 1D5 is coming, be patient. Sure in 2012-13. Be patient.

  • 24-70mm. f/2,8 II

    no “IS” CANON call it part wear.

    part wear = no guarantee

    who said TOYOTA ?

  • I think you can bet that Canon will continue to upgrade and add new L lenses. It’s pretty rare for Canon to release non EF-S non L lenses. History is not on your side on this one.

  • I’d do with a simple 35/1.8 USM, nothing too fancy as L-class. Just to compliment 85/1.8 USM and 100/2 USM in mechanical and optical performance for a reasonable price around 400$ :)

  • 5D Mk. III please! My view is that Canon have realized that they can only do so much for 5D II users through firmware and have accelerated its replacement. Seems like a prosumer marriage made in heaven with the new 70-200L. I’d line up for that combo!

    Cheers

  • #1 – i don’t want to wait until “the next year” for the price to go down. right now there is nothing worthwhile between an $800 T2i body and $1600 7D.

    #2 – the 7D is not going to decrease $600 to sell for the cost of a 50D. That’s ridiculous. it’s drop $200 at the most, which still leaves a large price gap to be filled. if they drop the price too much they will anger the customer base that paid full price for it.

    #3 – the name “60D” is WAY cooler than T2i. if they’d have just called the T2i a 60D (and bumped up the cost to $1000) it probably would have sold just as well because consumers would think they are taking up step up from the amateur level Rebel series. it contains nearly all the features that xxD owners wanted in an upgrate anyway.

  • There needs to be some forum rule (not just here, but everywhere), where anyone who posts any variation of “First” at the top of a thread gets their post deleted, or preferably gets banned from the forum. Too many eight year olds with internet access.

  • “Another fix for…” well… I would appreciate that. But: why then not add the feature to the 450D or 400D? You 5DMkII guys can be happy Canon did at least realease a firmware update for manual control for filming.

  • There are worse problems. What’s the harm?

    I agree that it’s juvenile, but people need to lighten up.

  • then i’d have to pay in euro’s though. not sure the name (although we’re in agreement it’s better) is worth THAT much of an upcharge!

  • The difference may be in that 450D and below do have their succesors, while 5D II has not. So owners of 450D and below are suggested to buy higher model of their line, while 5D II owners simply cannot, because there is nothing to upgrade to. And I agree, if the technology is possible and the 5D II succesor is not even announced, then they should show some loyalty to their customers (as customers show to them by staying at Canon) by providing a SOFTWARE upgrade, if the camera is capable of. Again, it’s software, nothing like new lens, flash or anything. I think that 5D II owners (as well as 7D and 1D IV) deserve it for the investment they made.

  • I just got a 5dII. What is the allure of the 24p? I know it looks more film like, right? Is that all? 720p/60 would be pretty cool though for slow mo

  • This post has been made so many times on hundreds of forums that I’m thinking of starting a petition to have Canon stop updating the 5D II video.

    Its beginning to look like only spammers are the ones asking for upgrades to the video. The 5D MK II is 1-1/2 years old, so its capabilities and limitations are well known.

    Those who claim Canon treat them unfairly by not catering to therr every whim make all the real and serious photographers look bad.

  • c’mon guys… there’s a bit of childish joy in getting there first and marking the spot. thank god its still there even though we can tie our own shoelaces now. these comments always make me smile;)

  • The announcement did not relate to lenses so why add the unrelated ‘tease’ about the lenses that “are coming… be patient” – should have saved that for another RUMOUR.

  • Yeah I’m holding out for this lens too. Expect to use my tax refund towards it so here’s hoping it’s announced soon. Before I get antsy and just buy the current one.

  • What the ?!
    Are you god or what?
    So because YOU don’t need a 60D, no one need sone?
    OMG…

    Many ppl. (that includes me) don’t need a sports/action camera that has thousands of extras! but instead only want an xxD body with Video for an xxD Price! No one need all that useless crap the 7D has! It’s only fpor sport photographers, no one else can really use the 7Ds great advantages.
    So I really don’t see why the hell I should pay an extra 500€ just to get crap I don’t need!

    The 60D is verry well wanted andit’s a shame they didn’t bring it but instead brought a new xxxD which replaces a 10 month old cam and has nearly no updates.
    go canon…

  • Well, I can’t concur on that first statement, but I’ll definitely go for the second!

    There must be a 60D!

    Many ppl. (that includes me) don’t need a sports/action camera that has thousands of extras (7D)! But instead still want an xxD body with video for an xxD price! No one needs all that useless crap the 7D has! It’s only for sport photographers, no one else can really use the 7Ds advantages.
    So I really don’t see why the hell I should pay an extra 500€ just to get crap I don’t need!

    The 60D is verry well wanted and it’s a shame they didn’t bring it but instead brought a new xxxD which replaces a 10 month old cam and has nearly no updates..

  • How about some lens love Canon? At a minimum tell us how much the 70-200 IS II is going to hurt us and stick to the March release date (original date), not the new later, April date…

  • If Canon really listens to users’ opinion, it wouldn’t put the ancient 5D1 AF in 5D2. So, we shouldn’t expect 5D2 will have 720 60p.

  • As soon as it’s widely available, you’ll be able to buy the 550D in the US from grey market sellers. They’ve been selling the 450D and 500D in the US for years now.

    In fact, you can even buy the Japanese “Kiss” in the US if you look hard enough :0)

  • just buy the 550D then… or better yet if u really like taking video so much, buy a video cam

  • I’m waiting for a 50D with video and I think I’ll be dissapointed.

    Is the xxD series for wedding photogs? If not, I don’t see the 60D being launched at WPPI.

  • I’m curious if Canon will announce 14-24 f/2.8 and 24-70 f/2.8 IS at the same time.

  • Expect a major price increase to come with an IS version of anything.

    70-200L f4 w/out IS $640

    70-200L f4 w/IS $1,210 (a $570 price difference)

    70-200L f2.8 w/out IS $1,300

    70-200L f2.8 w/IS $1,800 (a $500 price difference)

    Best case scenario for a 24-70L IS is $1,800, that’s without the “new copy tax” that Canon will give, so bump it up to around $2,000.

    Even if the IS was not announced, a version II would cost a huge premium over the version I.

  • So it’s like a guy carrying around a purse calling it a Wallet???? I’ll pass then.

    :D

    No I think 25p is Pal, no?

  • We are not spammers at all.

    You might not have a 5D2, or not be interested on what we request to Canon.

    But we are not selling a product nor service, we are not spammers. If you don’t like our posts, just don’t read them.

    But many people do and get help from them.

    If you read our last Blog post CAREFULLY, you will see how much effort we put for improvements since 1 year ago, and we never got a cent for doing so.

    So calling us “spammers”, aside than being unfair, is not true.

  • Do a research and find the difference between a video camera and the 5D2…

    We already posted them a week ago, and are clearly explained on Magic Lantern’s website.

  • Maybe the CR guy is testing some lenses but can’t say anything specific or he’ll get hammered by Canon and the confidentiality agreement

  • THIS particular post has been made on 3 different sites, so “hundreds” is really inaccurate….

    If you refer to “request to Canon”-like post, that’s different, but again: no “hundreds” places at all. Just few.

    You might not like them, and that’s pretty fine to us.

    We don’t like lot of post that in our opinion are completely useless discussions… but we don’t say anything because of that.

    If we annoy you, please accept our sincere apologizes, really, we don’t want to bother anyone.

    We only try (by different ways, NOT only these kind of actions, -this only another one) to get IMPROVEMENTS for ALL 5D MARK II USERS.

    And that’s something many of them really appreciate.

    NO matter 5D2 is 1 or 1,5 years old, if you get deep enough you will find its HUGE capabilities.

    Take a look at our last Blog post for a fast reference about what this camera could do.

    BTW: our request ALSO include STILL-ONLY Fixes and Improvements (limits for AutoISO is one of them.. that Canon implemented on the 550D)

    Cheers.

  • If you think either of the Canon lenses that are the equal to these new Nikons lenses are bad quality, then you must be one of two things.

    1). An individual who has no idea what they are talking about

    2). A Nikon fanboy.

    Or maybe it’s both.

  • Nikon tends to outperform Canon in wide-angle lenses, while Canon tends to outperform Nikon in telephoto and super-telephoto. Considering the resolution on the wide-angles, the Nikon is slightly better or slightly worse at the center and much superior at the edges.

  • I agree with “THE D” we all know that you are first because you are at the top of the tread. With that said, I also have no problem with you pointing that out, but at least offer your point of view on the subject. What is the point of posting something just to post?

  • “we are not selling a product nor service”

    There you have it. Canon on the other hand does have a business and it’s the way a business has to work.

    They allready promised an update and you clearly found the product worth it’s money in the state you bought it. So stop complaining because they are allready doing more than needed. Nobody would expect less of them and that’s why they do it.

    Now go take photographs and the firmware will come when it’s done and you’ll go “omg omg omg Canon we love you”.

  • Get lost.

    With your attitude we’d still be crapping around with automatic video control.

    Do you think Canon sits around trying to figure out how to give you the most for your money in a way that will last the longest? No? Then why defend them as if they were your savior or something. Business is business and it goes both ways.

  • Your bashing of the ‘spam’ has been posted on so many forums I’m starting to think we should start a petition to force you to buy everyone copies of the 5D3.

  • OK, so you can only spoil, so I’m not asking for the exact details but is the lens a 2x-x5 f/2.8 Ix?

  • Well, the 24mm TS-E II kinda puts that to rest and we’ll see about the 24 1.4’s.

    That HAD been true, it may no longer be true.

  • Oh cmon, don’t be such a stick in the mud… You are just mad that you didnt get here first anyway.

    Why do people care soo much about when other people say “first” anyway.. atleast they still get some joy out of life unlike a certain few.

  • shut up please 5D MkII Team is doing alot of part here, which we all dont realize but kept on giving negative feed back

  • No Canon sits around trying to figure out with what product they will get the maximum suckers to buy it. That’s what they call business.
    Profit always goes before customers because Canon is not an altruistic company. And they are clearly doing a fine job.
    If you want to make a statement, you shouldn’t buy their product anymore. There is no other effective way to speak as a consumer.

    Are you new to capitalism or something?

  • Deus Ex 3 == EOS 3D. Yah, I know, Ion Storm Austin has long since closed, but still… We need a floow-up to one of the best 1st-person RPG games of all time.

  • Those with no sense of rumor and humor should avoid reading this site. Please go to Troll-ville over at the DPR forums and battle with the other humor-less ‘tards there for superiority.

  • Not always true, particularly in the APS-C world.

    Canon 10-22 is MUCH better than Nikon 10-24.
    Canon 17-55 f/2.8 IS is also optically better than Nikon 17-55 f/2.8.

    Nikon’s 10-24 totally puzzles me. How can their FX 14-24 f/2.8 perform so well and yet the more recent DX 10-24 perform so poorly at 10mm???

  • True.

    But if the newer IS versions perform very well, people are willing to pay for them.

    Their recent 100 mm macro IS lens is COMPLETELY sold out where I live. And it’s been out of stock for 3 weeks now. Arrrrrgh.

    Besides, Sony’s non-stabilized lenses are sometimes even more expensive their stabilized Canon/Nikon counterparts.

  • They will be coming and be much more expensive, possibly IS5+ as well, so you can use lower ISO? But they must first make cameras with high density pixel sensors so that you will be forced to buy these expensive glass to get anything out this “next generation” cameras! Very good bussiness model.

  • Both of these are on my shopping list – if the 35 f/2 is USM and decent build quality. Another piece of plastic crap they can chuck straight into the bin, even if the IQ is OK.

  • A lot of the upgrades like video performance and noise reduction are in the firmware, so an update may bring real improvements.
    At the same time Canon will be very careful to not upgrade the firmware too much, so that 5D2 users still have a reason to upgrade to the future 5D3.
    For the same reason Canon will keep some performances like AF and frame rate of the 7D series better than the 5D series. If you get the bets of both worlds in one camera, you will never buy two ;-)
    Other than writing our own firmware the only option we have is to wait and see what Canon offers us.
    As for real improvements in the 5D2 AF, that is a hardware problem and will not be addressed before the 5D3 – if it is addressed at all (see above).

  • It’s time for new lenses! When? What does it mean for you soon…be patient…
    soon is not in 6 months in a year or 1 month…
    soon is within a week or later 2 weeks? Correct?!

    Canon need to have a wide angle to compete with 14-24 2.8L,
    a 24-70 2.8 IS with internal zoom
    an upgraded 24-105 with better lens quality

    What about for a 3D or a 5DMKIII with new AF, new metering system, 100% viewfinder coverage, electronic level, maybe backlight FF sensor…

    Nikon is really active releasing new interesting lenses and improved product in some case better than CANON since 1 year ago…

    Canon are you sleeping?!

  • The 70-200 f/2.8 had a very old IS system. It is an extremely popular lens, therefore high on the list of priorities to keep “fresh”. Also, the 70-200 f/4 is extremely good, and so was probably starting to steal part of the pie.
    The 100 f/2.8 Macro was not an L-lens. I don’t know who cares – I love this lens. Maybe weatherproofing is a problem for people taking it into the field. It is mostly a technology showcase for the hybrid IS. Who knows, maybe we will see hybrid IS in the next generation superteles? If you shoot birds at 10m distance angular shake is a HUGE problem, but linear could become noticeable, too.
    As for the 35mm f/2, it is not quite as popular as the 70-200… How many would they sell if it got upgraded? On the other hand, the development costs would be fairly minimal, too.

  • EF-S prime is very unlikely.
    a) the market is too small
    b) with a prime, it is easy enough to cover a FF sensor, so why limit it to APS-C?

    An EF(-S) 300-600 f/4-8 would be cool, especially if the performance was better than the 300 f/4 with 2x extender.

  • Canon only brought the 5DMk3 forward by 6 months, 3 yrs cycle is now 2.5 years which means 5DMk3 will be announce in February 2011.

  • 3 – No top LCD, no back dial, only idiotic full manual control, setting aperture by pressing one button at the back of the camera and turning the only dial at top/front. Slow FPS, no 1/8000 sec, etc. You cannot be serious considering the 550D a XXD class. Maybe specs wise from some ceratin point of view, but you cannot fool ergnomics.

  • too small? I would assume the market segment is larger in the rebel/xxd series than the prosumer/pro series cameras.

  • It can be for weddings, it can be anything they want it to be, this is what’s exciting now. Canon has the nice new sensor technology in the 7D that gave us a whole 18 mpix in an APS-C sensor that is surprisingly cleaner than anything we expected from it. So imagine the technology in maybe a 15 mpix 60D or maybe 12 mpix. Or maybe the far fetched rumor of a low profile low mpix FF camera that is basically nothing more than a sensor and a simple AF system.

    A 60D CAN be a wedding camera if Canon decided it to be. my 2 cents.

  • Yeah… that’s not bad also! One of my deciding points into Canon system was the lenses prices coz Nikon lenses are so overpriced for what they do. The Nikon current 24-70 is already 1800$, so if canon released a 24-70 IS in this range that would still be amazing and I would still be thankful for being a Canonite.

  • he means for a user why buy an EFS prime when you can buy an EF prime with relatively the same size? an EF 30/1.4 souldnt be that expensive or heavy to require an EFS one. I have the EFS Sigma 30/1.4 and I love it! but I would have bought a FF version of it if it existed.

  • +1

    The interest Canon has in providing firmware upgrades is
    (a) to avoid that the product becomes obsolete and/or inferior to what the competition offers
    (b) install in potential customers a feeling of confidence that you get the best out of the product you buy. This is especially important if you want customers to adopt a product early. If the version 1.0 of the firmware is not completely optimized, that is not such a big catastrophe if you can expect a fix later.

    Both of these effects should lead to more sales, and at the end of the day, that is what Canon cares about. Unfortunately, (b) is a long-term effect which does not immediately show up in quarterly financial figures, unlike the salary of the software engineers working on the firmware.

  • Exactly. The EF-S market is big, but the percentage of EF-S users that would go for a prime instead of (kit) zooms is probably very very small. I guess that most people that care enough about high-quality wide angle to buy a prime would go for a FF camera in the first place.
    Having said that one should consider that
    – 30mm on APS-C is not really wide angle, but ~ equivalent 50mm FF
    – the EF 35mm f/1.4 is actually quite big. Much bigger than my 50mm f/1.4 in any case.
    – that Sigma make such a lens shows that there must be some market.

  • Nikon is updating their lenses first (glass are “forever”)to compliment the next generation sensors. By year end things could look alot different.

  • That’s the truth and that’s why Canon allready stated *multiple* times that they will come with an update. Complaining or spamming will do nothing else than waste time and effort.

    It’s more productive to run around on the street with a sign “kick me”.

  • p.s. I only have Canon kit, including 6 L lenses, but the way Canon are going with their cameras are making me bloody nervous!

  • You’re not alone. I hope that 18Mpix in APS-C is the very end of megapixel race (call me naive I know) and they will focus on better SNR ratio and DR. If they increase the pixel pitch even more, I don’t know what they want to do about diffraction at f/11 or f/16 on e.g. 21-24Mpix APS-C sensor.

  • Not a chance unfortunately. I know I’m going to get called a “Nikon fanboi” (or worse) but Canon is going off the deep end here.

  • Actually Deus Ex 3 is in development between Eidos and Square Enix as part of their partnership :)

    the tentative subtitle is “Deus Ex Human Revolution” and its a prequel that focuses on the founding of Unatco and the origin of the Dentons among other things

  • I won’t call you fanboi at all. It’s understandable if you support it with reasonable nonflammative noninsulting points. I’m not saying that 18Mpix sensor is bad. In fact everyone was quite surprised how good the 7D performs, considering high pixel pitch. But I’m getting a small amount of diffraction even on 12Mpix 450D sensor at f/16. Nothing terrible, but it’s there at 100% view, if you compare it with f/8-f/11 sweet spot range there. I know it’s pixel peeping, but don’t tell me it’s not there at all. So that keeps me wondering how would perform for example 24Mpix same sized sensor fi Canon would ever come with it.

  • Yes. Sleeping is what they did when releasing the D550.. A camera that has no equal in terms of MP and video. Attention span anyone?

  • Some of the upgrades are worth it. The Canon 100 2.8 IS L is a fantastic lens and well worth the doubling in price from the 100 macro. The 24 tse likewise. The upgrade cost double but the new 24 TSE lens is easily twice as good as the old one.

    Zoom lenses are unlikely to be be appreciably better, and more people buy them so Canon can make up its R&D and margins faster. So for the 24-70 and 70-200 upgrades I expect %30-50% increases.

  • 24p is not ‘European.’ It’s been the movie industry standard frame rate for film for the vast majority of films for decades.

  • This is the conventional wisdom, but it is inaccurate. An EF-S 30mm can be made sharper and cheaper at the same time. Just compare the IQ of the EF-S 17-55 IS or 10-22 with the FF equivalents 24-70 and 17-40/16-35. AN EF-S normal lens design can be made simpler and thus with better IQ, just compare the lens cross-section of the FF 50mm 1.4 or 1.8 with that of the wide-angle 35mm 1.4 or even 2.0. An FF wide-angle is more complicated to do than an EF-S crop normal design.

    This is the reason why the Nikon DX 35/1.8 is so cheap but has great IQ: it’s not a 35mm wide-angle lens designed for FF. Canon can & should make an EF-S 30mm/1.4 or 1.8 now that there is a pro-class APS-C camera (7D). The misconception that Rebel & xxD owners don’t care about fast primes is sadly mistaken.

  • The misconception would be that Rebel and xxD owners are the only ones using APS-C cameras.
    But I agree that an APS-C lens is easier to build, especially in the wide angle range.

  • …but for primes with a simple optical design and moderate focal lengths the extra effort should be fairly small. That you only use the “sweet” part of the image field on a crop sensor has always been true for all lenses.

  • The key word is *only*, implying that most of the market for primes is elsewhere – 7D as you pointed out.

  • And no, crop lens is not easier (==cheaper) to build. Maybe only in the normal range (~30mm on 1.6x FOVCF). That is why the 17-55 IS always scored the highest in resolution testing. Crop sensors demand more from lenses because of the higher pixel density. Canon had to lower the manufacturing cost on it by making it with a plastic barrel and none of the weathersealing of the L-series.

  • Microsoft took a government bailout, is losing money, and is no longer the largest software maker on the planet?

  • Canon should make some EF-S prime in the 24 to 50mm range but not longer.
    1. Part of the reason that people buy the APS-C sensor is for smaller size of the camera. So a smaller lens will also help to keep the size and weight down for the whole system.
    2. EF-S mount allows the lens get into the camera body deeper. So the Short (24 -50mm ) lens design will be easier and sharper than a EF mount lens.
    3. The picture circle of APS-C is smaller than a FF so the lens can also be made sharper and smaller.
    3. ASP-C user DO care about picture quality. Just look at how many APS-C user are using L lens. I am using a 17-40mm L lens because that give me 28 to 65 mm equivalent focal length in FF. that will take care of 80% of my shooting situation. But that lens is made for FF and it is big and heavy. It could be smaller and lighter is it is made exclusively for APS-C.
    4. For any lens longer than 75 mm, The EF-S has no advantage due to the lens element is so far in front of the body and the weight saving is minimal.

  • What i hope for is a 35, 50 or 60mm macro full-format canon-lens.

    (Zeiss, Sigma, Tamron, Nikon and Tokina offer short focal length macro-lenses.)

  • Well,
    – a 16-35mm f/2.8 FF is certainly more difficult than a 16-35mm f/2.8 APS-C. (same focal length, but different angle of view)
    – a 300mm f/2.8 is significantly cheaper than a 480mm f/2.8 – if there was one (~same angle of view, but different focal length).

    In the supertele range, it makes little difference if you cover FF or APS-C. The whole front element contributes light to the whole frame. That is why nobody has bothered to offer EF-S superteles.

    In the (super)wide range, it is the angle of view that is difficult to manage. So 15mm APS-C is about as difficult as 24mm FF. That is why there is no 10-22mm FF lens.

    As far as pixel density is concerned, it will eventually be the same for all sizes of sensor = a pixel size as small as possible considering the sensitivity and noise reduction achievable. So nothing to be gained or lost there. At the moment FF sensors still have a smaller pixel density than APS-C because pixel number is a selling argument (yuck!) and there is still rapid development in noise reduction.
    However, both sizes are approaching the diffraction limit for very reasonable apertures, so there is little to be gained by increasing the density even more – especially for APS-C.
    12 and more MP on a phone-cam is just a joke that people don’t get because the don’t know their physics.

  • 50mm f/1,8:
    130 g, 109 Euros, 6 lenses in 5 groups, 52mm filter thread, Max. diameter 68.2mm, length 41mm

    35mm f/2.0:
    210 g, 249 Euros, 7 lenses in 5 groups, 52mm filter thread, max. diameter 67,4, length 42,5mm

    The 35mm f/2.0 has a metal mount, that probably makes up most of the difference in weight, maybe a couple of Euros of the price but not a factor of more than 2. I guess most of that difference is marketing :-(

    Both cover FF.

    So as far as weight, size and number of optical elements are concerned, there is little difference between them. If anything, cutting the field of view of the 35mm f/2 down to APS-C is going to make it easier/cheaper. I really don’t see how it could become more difficult/expensive.

    BUT, since you get a FF design with little weight etc,… why bother limiting it to APS-C? You might as well make it FF and thus cater to a few more customers and tell the APS-C crowd they are suffering less from vignetting, they are using only the sweet center part of the lens and so on and so forth.

  • You have your opinion, we have ours, and we do act according to it.

    You don’t like these post? don’t read them. Just like lot of people and us do with many posts.

    There are TOO much unofficial information that public customers will never know, we included, BUT what we DO know for a fact is enough to keep us on requesting improvements.

    After getting them we won’t get out saying “we love canon, we love canon” as children, not our style at all.

    We use and really like Canon products, but not that kid’s way.

  • When the 5D3 comes (who knows when), it certainly come with much better video performance than 5D2, so there will be still a reason to buy the new camera.

    We NEVER requested AF improvement because it’s a hardware limitation. We request “AF Contrast detection” enhancement, which runs on LiveView and it’s software related.

    We don’t ask hardware changes, we’re not so fools :)

  • Indeed!!

    We really hope our requests will also reflect on 7D and 1D4 further updates. And we could bet they will.

    That’s the idea, because all of them share lot of the same hardware and features.

    The “STANDARD” frame rates implemented on 7D, 1D4 and now 550D, along with the 720p50/60 modes are direct consequence of our previous requests (which started since beginning of 2009…). (with “our” we don’t mean just “us”, but thousands of users requesting around the world)

    You can check Canon’s own words when they released the 7D… They mentioned all the requests and demands on video.

    So we keep on requesting, because it CAN be done, and there’s still time to do it.

  • Dude seriously. Do you have brain damage from birth or something? Then I could understand it.

    There is no other reason that could make you think you have any other vote or voice against a company other than not buy a product.

    Capitalism doesn’t work with yelling or voting, it’s about cash. Take away their cash, *then* you’ll see Canon jump through fires for you.

    Now you are nothing more than a message to delete or ignore like you put it yourself.

  • 10-22 is slightly sharper than 10-24 in the center, but the 10-24 is generally much sharper overall. If you’ve had a negative experience with the 10-24, perhaps you had a bad sample?

  • Which I would have had they not given something as basic as manual controls (which they did give in to).

  • Short length macros aren’t all that terribly useful for a lot of macro subjects, like anything that moves…. Also harder to get nice subject isolation with blurred background.

  • Huh? the 100 2.8L is a marketing exercise, not a needed upgrade. Tests have proved repeatedly that, optically, it is just a tiny little bit better, and IS does not trully work at 1:1 magnification. I’d pay 200 more than for the non-IS one, but that’s it.

  • Just curious, what do you need f16 on a crop for? f10 gives you the same DOF as f16 on a FF camera, so why go that far?

  • Well, our messages were not deleted, our contacts with Canon USA got replied many times and not only in the “official” way you know.

    Again, there’s so much unofficial information you don’t know.

    I agree it’s all about cash, but cash is possible with customers (and not without their purchases), and customers’ loyalty.

    So companies take customers feedbacks more seriously than you can think. ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE IS A HUGE OR MASSIVE REQUEST.

    Every “serious” SENIOR MANAGER in charge at big Corporation, handle those things with lot and genuine interest, lot of care, and not like a simple sales man could do, because they do know their importance to keep the business (and the cash) going on.

    That’s something those who work in high level positions at corporations do know for a fact.

    Customers satisfaction and loyalty (especially at the high-level imagery segment) is a key factor, because THOSE are the customers who buy the expensive lenses that Canon make.

  • Hyperfocal.

    To get hyperfocal at 17mm focal length, from 0.49m to infinity (focused on 1m distance), you need f/16.

    And I said it’s nothing terrible on 12Mpix, but on e.g. 21-24Mpix, you would get it much sooner, probably even before f/11. I was merely pointing out, that further MPix increase might eventually limit usable min. aperture.

  • Anyone shoot any decent pictures lately. Probably not, since the equipment you all have sucks I guess.

    Lots of people here buy first and than start complaining that what they just bought is not good enough. I’m really surprised that there are so many great pictures taken by great photographers.

    I know, I want the camera that Canon will release in 2050, but it’s not there yet. I know too that you can only long for better whenever you own (and use) the present stuff. We all want the best camera and lenese, but as long as we will keep on developping new stuff, we will never have the best.

    Dreaming of what you want to buy one day is fun, I know.

  • You must have stumbled upon the wrong forum. Have someone teach you how to do a Google search and type in “backwoods bum lover”.

  • I do not complain about the equipment I got. Instead I am complaining about the new cameras that that have come out in the last couple year. I brought my 20D with 17-40 mm L, in 2005 and I am perfectly happy with it. Later on I added a 35-135mm (used). just for the fun of it, I added the 18-55mm IS. I am about to up grade to 50D before it comes out. But after reading different report from different site. They show that the pixel count is too high and ends up higher noise and even some L lens cannot even keep up with the sensor. So I give it up. Now here comes the 7D with 18 MP. The noise has been improved at the expense of sharpness. So Now I am waiting for the 60D and hope that Canon come to it sense and come up with a smaller and lighter camera with the sensor of 1D MK IV. If that really come true I will get it even with the price of a 5D II.

  • Whiners,

    Cannon’s official release says updated firmwear will be out by the first half of 2010. That still gives them over four months. You KNEW the features the camera had PRIOR to purchasing it. Anything they do to update it you should be grateful for, not demanding. You now feel demanding for the updates on youtube feedback on a different camera is the way to get the firmwear updated? Worse, I can see some people took the advice.

  • You and I, that makes two already ;-)
    I had (and still have) a few primes with my 20D, but I enjoy them much more with the upgrade to the 5D2.

  • I had 20D for 3 years, very happy about it, then bought a 5D MK ll last year. The IQ on 5D is amazing but the build does not worth the money. I hope Canon can make the camera body as solid as Nikon…

  • Hey,

    I truly believe that you’re not spammers, but why do you write so formally? Not that I have anything against you, but the way your messages are written is kind of creepy, sort of like spam. No offence.

    Apropos, I agree that we ought to make our voice heard. However, I still agree that Canon should focus on improving stills quality before simply juicing up their dSLR video. Canon has an entire line of VIXIA/LEGRIA/iVIS and XL/XH products for that.

    But it wouldn’t be bad to have a totally synthesised product for both stills and video. But it seems that Canon so far has been mostly touting their video features. In fact, when the EOS 7D was first announced, Canon U.S.A. used the slogan “Beyond The Still” for that product.

  • Hope they don’t ruin the SX1 to the SX2 like they ruined the SX10 (my camera) to the SX20.

    Knowing Canon, though, they will.

  • Ultimately, this is a bad strategy.

    However, in 5 years, Canon will have 25mp APS-C cameras, while 12mp Nikon will have 99% professional share. However, Canon will STAY at 25mp and fix up the noise. Thus, in ten years, Nikon will have 12mp cameras, and Canon will have 25mp cameras, with the same noise profiles. Thus, Canon will win out in the long run.

  • Large chip DSLR’s that shoot video are able to achieve shallow depth of field and have low light performance that is far superior to any consumer camcorder. Something that most camcorders are not able to do with out expensive adapters. This coupled with frame rates and lens selection make them almost revolutionary in terms of film making on a low budget.

  • I’ve been using the 50D+24-70 f/2.8L to shoot events and noise is hardly an issue. I have taken over 26,000 photos and IQ has a 90% success rate at capturing rowdy party goers-in well lit or dimly lit venues.

    A print from the 50D at 8×12 is stunning to say the least. Iam sure the 7D’s images are even better when printed. 7D will be my next purchase. Don’t trust online reviews so much.

    Sometimes it just takes a day of shooting to know what a cam is worth. Perhaps, rent before you buy.

  • Don’t know, it did generate a lot of posts.

    Nothing humorous for YOU doesn’t mean no one laughed.

    Thank goodness your opinions and experiences alone don’t = reality.

  • the 5d2 has been in the market for some time now. and they have released firmware updates in the past. i agree that customer service is vital for a company such as canon. but for sure they are in the process of developing/releasing the 5d3 or other newer camera. there is really no sense in updating an old product. THEY WOULD RATHER LET YOU BUY THE NEWER MODELS. thats purely business and that doesnt mean that canon doesnt care about their customers. they have their own business plan and surely if they give in to their customers request that plan of theirs will be affected. one of the most effective strategy in marketing is making your old product obsolete that people will go for the newer ones. this is how canon plays it. and there is nothing we can do about it except to upgrade, upgrade, upgrade….

  • the 5dII has been in the market for some time now. and they have released firmware updates in the past. i agree that customer service is vital for a company such as canon. but for sure they are in the process of developing/releasing the 5d3 or other newer camera. there is really no sense in updating an old product. THEY WOULD RATHER LET YOU BUY THE NEWER MODELS. thats purely business and that doesnt mean that canon doesnt care about their customers. they have their own business plan and surely if they give in to their customers request that plan of theirs will be affected. one of the most effective strategy in marketing is making your old product obsolete that people will go for the newer ones. this is how canon plays it. and there is nothing we can do about it except to upgrade, upgrade, upgrade….

  • Sure, not publicly perhaps… however Canon does use focus groups and independant professionals (dpreviews, camerlabs, etc) to run real world tests in advance of the release to identify and coorect potential issues that did not appear in the lab. Thus explaining how an indepth review can be posted with hours of the product release to the public.

    Just like when you see heavily disgused carsdriving around, they’re next years models.

    Who’s to say CR guy is not involved….

  • How do you imagine 24-70 with internal zoom? it will be size of 70-200 or almost that size. and what makes you think that 24-105 is a bad lens?? In many situations it’s much better than 24-70, I am using this lens and it performs even better than 50mm 1.4

  • so any predictions on the press release of potential new lenses and other camera body? next tuesday?

  • Blurred background is never a problem in macro photography, as dopth-of-field is always shallow. Getting decent depth-of-field to get your subject completely sharp is the problem.
    But then there is focus stacking (for non-moving subjects).

  • read about that technology first before talking about decreasing the pixel count. what makes you think you’re smarter than those Japanese guys at canon? are you a photographer or f***ing scientist?

  • How about a 4-year old 5D giving better IQ than a 2-year old 40D, would that do as “proof”?

  • dude.. the guy is just guessing randomly… like: “hey, we should hang out sometime… tomorrow? next week?”

    calm down ahaha

  • I would like to buy a 5DII for myself but seeing as Canon said the firmware upgrade is coming out I’m waiting until it is released.

    The main reason for getting a 5DII over 7D/550D for me is that I will only be shooting primes: 24mm, 35mm, 50mm, 85mm at those focal lengths, at night, with available light.

    The APS-C cameras do have good video features but there is no good 24mm equivalent prime anywhere.

    Until there are decent fast wide primes for APS-C I will only be considering a FF camera, and for me to buy it now with the 550D on the way it will need the same (or better) video features.

  • Many xxD and xxxD owners care about fast primes, too. However, it is probably a reasonably valid assumption that the majority of these owners do not care about really expensive fast primes.

    Three out of four xxxD owners that I know have the nifty-fifty and love it. However, when I recommend the 35mm f/2 or 85mm f/1.8 (both of which I own), they baulk at the “high” price. They think I’m nuts spending that much money on a lens. Offering these people a cheaper alternative will boost sales.

    What I want to see is the EF 50mm f/1.4 and EF 35mm f/2 brought up to the standard of the EF 85mm f/1.8. Better build quality, proper USM autofocus, maybe bump the 35mm to f/1.4 and all for about the same price. At the same time, introduce ONE new “plastic fantastic” prime lens, something like an EF-S 30mm f/1.8, to complement the already adequate nifty-fifty at about the same price point. That will be a big seller as a “kit prime”, but will not cannibalise sales of the EF versions: too plastic, no USM, not as nice to use, slightly slower, no good when I upgrade to FF next year, etc.

  • 1. Part of the reason that people buy the APS-C sensor is for smaller size of the camera. So a smaller lens will also help to keep the size and weight down for the whole system.

    Actually, the EOS 7D is heavier than the EOS 5D Mark II…

  • Right, 10g. The 7D has magnesium alloy body necessary to its super AF system and effective sealing and 5D2 is plastic-fantastic. I’ve got 5D2, so I know.

  • Bob – agreed.

    Virtually all of the prime lenses in the 20-50mm range with the 20 year old design need to be brought up to same build quality as the 85mm f1.8. No question about it.

    That’s why I’ve put off buying any of them, even though I do prefer primes for that range. The L lenses are way overpriced and not worth it. If I was a professional, then that would be a different story.

    If Canon got off it’s lazy rear end and did this, they would sell a lot more lenses.

  • Are those Japanese guys at Canon smarter than those Japanese guys at Nikon or Sony? They all seem to be using different strategies to solve the same problem(s).

  • Hmmm, the 35mm f/2 is in the same “class” as the 50mm f/1.8. The 50mm f/1.4 and 85mm f/1.8 are one step up – Canon unfortunately does not have a 35mm in that class, only the 28mm f/1.8.

    In the wide to moderate tele range, I consider the L-class overkill. I want more lenses in the price and quality class of the 85mm f/1.8 and the old 100mm f/2.8 USM – I own both and would not exchange them for any zoom in the world. I also own the 28mm f/2.8 plastic fantastic, and I am _far_ less attached to it.

    For long teles, there is no way around big glass. That is probably why the “one size down” lenses like the 200mm f/2.8, 300mm f/4, 400 mm f/5.6 and 70-200mm f/4 are still in the L-class.

    BTW, I do not know a single xxxD owner that bought a single prime lens. The xxD series used to be the only choice between plastic fantastic and the professional series. This is no longer the case. That is why I expect the 7D to sweep up most of the market for EF-S primes.

  • i want an update to the 28 1.8 ust an optical overhual cause the lens could be better, not that i am expecting it be as good as the 85 1.8 which is a totaly different beast

  • you not looseing detail that rediculus all the is happening is becuse of the physics of light you are now resovleing detail to the point where diffraction become visble useing a lower resolution sensor just doesent let you resovle the detail thats there

    so diffraction is not the limit it seems just downres to 12 mp :P

    light gathering ability per pixel and s/n ratio is my objection to higher megapixel counts

  • you cant engineer light.

    all the sensors do is read light levels.

    nikons “cleaner” 12mp sensor are not all they are cracked up to be canon gives you more detail and comparable noise

    imo take your 18mp canon file nr it proper then down rez it with bicubic sharper in cs4 and you will have a better final image then the nikon file

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