Patent: Canon Image Sensor Stabilization

mirage · Oct 25, 2018

hehehe, here we go! It will come in 2nd gen EOS R bodies. After you all spent money on first gen. Shortly thereafter comes "Mk. II, now with IBIS"

Besisika · Oct 25, 2018

It's about time.

Click · Oct 25, 2018

Besisika said:
It's about time.

+1

Maximilian · Oct 25, 2018

Now let‘s see, if it‘ll be second or third gen. EOS R

nchoh · Oct 25, 2018

mirage said:
hehehe, here we go! It will come in 2nd gen <insert camera system here>. After you all spent money on first gen. Shortly thereafter comes "Mk. <insert roman numeral here>, ..."

Fixed it for you so that you can reuse on other sites!

KeithBreazeal · Oct 25, 2018

I'll consider the jump to the "R" type series when it has IBIS, a minimum of 8 fps with AF, better buffering times, and a more reasonable button/control layout.

brad-man · Oct 25, 2018

Since Canon has ranked among the top five companies with the most U.S. patents for 32 years in a row, and since the vast majority of those patents never see the light of day, it may be a bit over-optimistic to assume this one will be implemented any time soon. Then again, who'd have thought that they would come out with a super sharp 50mm f/1.2 lens or an f/2 L class standard zoom? It almost makes me look forward to retiring my 5DlV. Almost...

Jethro · Oct 25, 2018

Besisika said:
It's about time.

It's about space ...

aceflibble · Oct 25, 2018

mirage said:
hehehe, here we go! It will come in 2nd gen EOS R bodies. After you all spent money on first gen. Shortly thereafter comes "Mk. II, now with IBIS"

That's assuming the R system will only have one body SKU at a time, which is a huge and without doubt incorrect assumption to make.

Why people think Canon are only going to have one R body at a time, I don't know. All common sense, logic, and history of camera manufacturing says they will have some lower-end models and some higher-end ones, and the R—being basically a 6D—sits in the middle of the range.
Yes, it sucks for those people who bought the R already, erroneously thinking this was as good as it would get, but that is the same for all technology and modern products. When you buy something brand new at launch—anything—all you are really guaranteeing is that you are paying the highest price for the weakest or otherwise most baseline product. Every single person who waits will either get a similar product at a lower price or a better product at a similar price.

It's not like cameras are a new invention. Everyone knows this is how it goes. If you want IBIS, don't buy a camera which does not have IBIS. If you won't wait before purchasing then you are knowingly accepting the worst deal for yourself. There will always be a revision, there will always be supporting products, there will always be a higher-end model or a lower-end model, or sales, cash rebates, bundles, you name it.

LSXPhotog · Oct 25, 2018

mirage said:
hehehe, here we go! It will come in 2nd gen EOS R bodies. After you all spent money on first gen. Shortly thereafter comes "Mk. II, now with IBIS"

How quickly Sony users forget how terrible their first and second gen cameras were. LMAO Adding features to future iterations of a camera model is nothing new. It's possible Canon was simply unable to create a sensor stabilization system that didn't overheat, wasn't brittle, and could be made at a cost that wasn't too astronomical. If IBIS comes to Canon, it will come at a cost.

Jethro · Oct 25, 2018

By the way, the actual patent application documentation shows a DSLR rather than a ML body. Not to say that the tech couldn't be applied to ML, but just saying.

TMHKR · Oct 25, 2018

And why does anyone of you believe this will see the light of day? How many patents did Canon throw, just to never realize them?

Cochese · Oct 25, 2018

This is nothing New and not Canon's first IBIS patent. Not sure why anybody is putting more stock into this one. Of course they'll offer IBIS at some point. But they don't at the moment.

pj1974 · Oct 25, 2018

KeithBreazeal said:
I'll consider the jump to the "R" type series when it has IBIS, a minimum of 8 fps with AF, better buffering times, and a more reasonable button/control layout.

I have played with an tested the EOS R in one of my local bricks and mortar photography shops a few weeks ago. Definitely a decent camera, as Canon's first model into FF mirrorless. Build quality was solid, comfortable ergonomics (for my medium sized male hands); EVF fantastic, and the AF good. The lenses are great. No doubt the EOS R is capable of capturing fantastic images in the right hands.

At this stage, though, the EOS R does not impress me as a camera that I plan to buy. The main physical characteristics I dislikes was the on-off dial (i.e. a medium sized dial just for on/off, but without modes - the DSLR equivalent dial is much better imho!), the M-Fn bar (please Canon, a joystick instead!), and the AF button should be moved (again, as most DSLRs have implemented it).

I would like to see improved AF (particularly in tracking power: speed and accuracy), faster fps (8 to 10 fps would be ideal) and overall snappier operation. It was not a 'slow' camera, but was not as responsive as my DSLRs. Ok, yes, IBIS would be great too. Though IBIS could be somewhat negated if all the lenses I want have IS in lens.

The future is bright... the future is exciting! From a photographic perspective, I am very thankful to live in the day and age we do.

PJ

Talys · Oct 25, 2018

aceflibble said:
That's assuming the R system will only have one body SKU at a time, which is a huge and without doubt incorrect assumption to make.

Why people think Canon are only going to have one R body at a time, I don't know. All common sense, logic, and history of camera manufacturing says they will have some lower-end models and some higher-end ones, and the R—being basically a 6D—sits in the middle of the range.
Yes, it sucks for those people who bought the R already, erroneously thinking this was as good as it would get, but that is the same for all technology and modern products. When you buy something brand new at launch—anything—all you are really guaranteeing is that you are paying the highest price for the weakest or otherwise most baseline product. Every single person who waits will either get a similar product at a lower price or a better product at a similar price.

It's not like cameras are a new invention. Everyone knows this is how it goes. If you want IBIS, don't buy a camera which does not have IBIS. If you won't wait before purchasing then you are knowingly accepting the worst deal for yourself. There will always be a revision, there will always be supporting products, there will always be a higher-end model or a lower-end model, or sales, cash rebates, bundles, you name it.

People who like to complain do not understand why manufacturer X can't have every feature ever invented and the best optics, all in a size/format that they want, and for the best price on the market -- and have that price decrease by 25% every year while the features incrementally improve.

You are absolutely right that cameras are not a new invention. Mirrorless is simply tinkering around the edges, and changes nothing of the fundamentals in the manufacture, distribution, positioning, or pricing of cameras and associated photography equipment.

I don't think it sucks to buy an R today instead of the model 2 years from now that has more features and better stuff, any more than it sucks for people who bought 5D2 when they could have just held out for 5D4. Because, you get to use the camera today, not 2 years from now

That said, if you have a camera you're happy with, I don't think rushing out to buy a mirrorless will magically create shots that couldn't be made before.

mirage · Oct 25, 2018

aceflibble said:
That's assuming the R system will only have one body SKU at a time, which is a huge and without doubt incorrect assumption to make.

Why people think Canon are only going to have one R body at a time, I don't know. All common sense, logic, and history of camera manufacturing says they will have some lower-end models and some higher-end ones, and the R—being basically a 6D—sits in the middle of the range.

that's exactly what i said earlier. And why i used the plural ... "bodies".

i expect 3 FF EOS R gen 1 models. one lower (FF "Rebel"), one higher (50+MP) than the one already launched.

for second gen i expect a start with mirrorfree high end "1DX-III", plus MK. II of the three 1st gen models. All will likely have IBIS, except the base model ... marketing differentiation.

pwp · Oct 26, 2018

Bring it on! Dual IS (body & lens) works a treat on my Panasonic G9. The benefit is 100% noticeable.

-pw

gbc · Oct 26, 2018

aceflibble said:
That's assuming the R system will only have one body SKU at a time, which is a huge and without doubt incorrect assumption to make.

Why people think Canon are only going to have one R body at a time, I don't know. All common sense, logic, and history of camera manufacturing says they will have some lower-end models and some higher-end ones, and the R—being basically a 6D—sits in the middle of the range.
Yes, it sucks for those people who bought the R already, erroneously thinking this was as good as it would get, but that is the same for all technology and modern products. When you buy something brand new at launch—anything—all you are really guaranteeing is that you are paying the highest price for the weakest or otherwise most baseline product. Every single person who waits will either get a similar product at a lower price or a better product at a similar price.

It's not like cameras are a new invention. Everyone knows this is how it goes. If you want IBIS, don't buy a camera which does not have IBIS. If you won't wait before purchasing then you are knowingly accepting the worst deal for yourself. There will always be a revision, there will always be supporting products, there will always be a higher-end model or a lower-end model, or sales, cash rebates, bundles, you name it.

I bought the R already, but did not in any way think this was as good as it was going to get. I just wanted a second camera body, and I wanted a mirrorless and didn't want a Sony or Nikon. If IBIS comes in some future body, super. Until then, I'll just keep using the first gen R and appreciate any improvements if and when they happen. The R isn't going to make me ditch my DSLR any time soon, and it probably never will. But for a lighter, smaller second body, it's been fantastic in the two weeks I've had it.
Now I WILL be disappointed if the next iteration doesn't make me at least think about ditching my DSLR.