After months upon months of speculation, I have finally confirmed that an APS-C RF mount camera is coming, and it's planned to be launched in the 2nd half of 2021. As for anything product-wise during the pandemic, these announcements are a moving target.
My source has confirmed that it will be the smallest EOS R system camera, but will pack a punch for both sports shooters and videographers. I will note that “smallest” doesn't necessarily mean that it'll be all that much smaller than the EOS RP. The same source also said that there aren't any plans for RF-S lenses, but that there will be lenses that will suit both the APS-C and full-frame shooter.
The same source also said it will use a new APS-C image sensor with DPAF II, but specifications beyond that are very vague.
Even the 15-35mm F/2.8L IS seems like a perfect although expensive 24-56mm companion for a sports shooter with a R7.
Good so far. Sounds like an option for those looking for M6 II / 90 D reach, without paying for the high res R or compromising on ergonomics (M series) or Autofocus (EF series).
A budget option without budget crop exclusive lenses wouldn't make sense to me. Going to f/7.1 and 11 is fine for people moving from APS-C to FF, as it pretty much just compensates the difference. But on a crop body, those apertures literally are a downgrade to many of the available options. And while the 24-105 mm STM 4.0-7.1 is cheap, it is not cheaper than the brighter and longer EF-S 18-135 mm 3.5-5.6 for example.
So this to me sounds like EF-M will remain the compact form factor line and rebels are just going to fade away without a direct APS-C replacement.
It will be interesting to see if Canon can still make the value proposition make sense without cheaper RF-s lenses. They have some cheaper full-frame zooms now, but one would think APS-C lenses could be even cheaper.
This might be a 7D replacement, so the target market is more interested in long lenses, and is willing to pay.
Who want's this over full-frame? With today's processors, FF has proven to be just as performant as something like the 7D line. If you give me the "reach" argument, then I would give you the FF crop argument. If you give me the cost argument, then I point to the RP. Cheaper than that then you're going to have an up-hill battle against Fujifilm and Sony, or you know, Canon's M lineup.
I don't think it makes any sense, but maybe that's just me. I just hope they don't split their attention developing 'RF-S' lenses that are inferior in every way.
The only way it would be remotely interesting to me is if they made a really good, significantly more compact camera body with some really good, compact, L-glass (IE, competitive with Fuji's lenses), while also obviously maintaining the ability to use FF lenses. Then, maybe I'd justify one as a travel camera/backup body.
But seeing as how they never made L-glass for EF-S...
In other words, give me an RF line of APS-C lenses that can go toe-to-toe with Fuji X or GTFO.
The high res R may match or exceed the M6 II / 90D, but it will certainly also exceed the already hefty price of the R5. And likely not go beyong the 12 FPS mechanical. If they do a RF mount camera around 2k, with 32+ MP, 20 FPS mechanical, they can offer something that FF can't do as affordable.
FF crop does nothing other than throw away pixels. It doesn't add any 'reach'.
APS-C sensors are only giving you a "crop" of you FF lens' image circle, hence the "reach". Also, APS-C sensors are more pixel-dense than FF sensors, giving them more noise, all else equal... Meaning, you might be better off cropping from a FF sensor anyway.
But a crop sensor simply throws away light that would otherwise have fallen onto a sensor--basically throwing away pixels but earlier in the process. Of course if you use an APS-C lens that doesn't happen--the pixels are thrown away even earlier than that.
What is "reach" anyway if not the ability to PRETEND to have a longer lens by cropping the picture?
Some hopeful specs:
~10fps still shooting
30mp sensor, like the one in the 90D/M6 II
At least one UHS-II slot, or one CFexpress slot
Video: don't care, but it will probably have at least 4k 30p
USB-C charging while shooting
Flippy, rather than tilty-flippy screen. It's way quicker for low shots and subjects that are in motion
Tight weather sealing. I wanna be able to shoot birds with God's natural softbox in the rain
IBIS: I don't care too much, but it will probably have it
An Olympus Pro Capture-like feature
120Hz mode for the EVF
I expect to pay ~$2k or a little less for this
You're probably missing all of the people who use big whites on the 7D line. You're missing the fact that a higher end APS-C camera gives you reach without losing resolution, and at a cheaper price than an R5. Cropped to x1.6, even the R5 only gives you 17MP.
Third, you're missing the fact that no RF-S lenses have been rumored or announced, indicating that this camera is not going to be a Rebel spin-off of any kind. It's going to be a high end body that people will mount wildlife and sports lenses on.