Odds & Ends *UPDATED*
Pricing Update [CR2]
These are unconfirmed prices I’ve received from a few sources.
In USA: $1699 Body
In Canada: $1999 Body
I have no Europe, Asia or Pacific pricing at the moment.
thanks those who tipped on this
EOS 7D Specs
"EOS 7D"
-18mp
- dual digic 4
- 8 fps
- 19 af points
- ISO 100-6400 (L & H1 & H2)
- 63 metering zones
- 100% viewfinder
- Horizon Help Viewfinder
- 3″ VGA LCD
- FullHD Video
I still stick to the wireless flash master being built in. A few people are writing me saying it’s not in the camera. My source on the issue is top notch.
Sensor Size
The camera is almost obviously APS-C (1.6x Crop)
EF-S Lenses aren’t mounting on an APS-H body (without pulling the back off the lens). The prism on the top of the camera is too small for an APS-H viewfinder with 100% view. That is merely my opinion.
To keep this camera under $2000, I can’t see how they can make a larger sensor. Again, my opinion.
SX20 IS & SX120 IS Appear at Best Buy USA
SX120 IS Best Buy
SX20 IS Best Buy
thanks Mike
cr
August 28th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
Sensor size??? Come on?? 1.6 or 1.3? 1.3 with crop option of ef-s???
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Scott Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
How can it be 63 metering zones thats not a even number?
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foobar Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 7:01 pm
The leaked poster suggests 9×7 zones
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Gusto Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 7:09 pm
Perhaps you wanna ask Canon engineers how they did it with their 1Ds3 and 1D3?
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David Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 7:15 pm
people always forget the center one, hehe
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Scott Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:36 pm
It’s 63 zones because it’s the same 63 zone meter that the 1 series use. If you think about it, the old 35 zone meter wasn’t an even number either, no? Sorry to be rude, but there’s generally at least one zone/AF point, so uneven AF point numbers=uneven metering zones
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Doron Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 12:40 am
take a look at this site: (does someone know japanese)
http://www.slrclub.com/bbs/vx2.php?id=newproduct&page=1&sn1=&sid1=&divpage=6&sn=off&sid=off&ss=on&sc=off&select_arrange=headnum&desc=asc&no=32110
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Anonymous Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 12:43 am
It’s NOT Japanese. It’s Korean.
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Doron Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 12:48 am
sorry
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August 28th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
lol I notice the sensor size still remains an mystery. There is hope!!
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someone Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
No mystery… didn’t you see the CR3 stating that it would be a crop?
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 6:43 pm
…but Canon has a 1.3 crop and a 1.6 crop
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Craig Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 6:56 pm
The CR3 actually said APS-C. Besides, the 1.3x cameras can’t take EF-S lenses.
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Thorpeland Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
Mr.Someone.. then why wasn’t it listed with the rest of the specs in this most recent post? Kind of convenient its left out.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
Because it wasn’t stated in the leaked poster. Besides if you mount a EF-S lens on anything other than a 1.6 crop camera, the large mirror will damage itself and the lens due to the baffle.
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afrank99 Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 2:26 am
Because Canon is stupid – Nikon and Sony both can use Crop-Lenses on their FF bodies.
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August 28th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
You forgot the dual direct print buttons. =)
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MBP Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 7:17 pm
Not funny (say it twice for dual)
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Blake Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 7:25 pm
Enough with this stupid joke. next person has to commit seppuku.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:40 pm
Is a 1.3 crop direct print button the same as a 1.6 crop one?
Uhhh…I can do sudoku..Is that the same as seppuku?
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Blake Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:41 pm
As long as it’s fatal, I don’t care what you do.
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kubelik Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:00 pm
+1
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Skeletor Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 9:33 am
People forget that if it weren’t for the direct print button, we would still be living in the days of film. It was the industry’s demand for such an amazing feature that lead to the development of digital sensors.
I heard from a reliable source that dual digic 4 means it will NEED dual direct print buttons! happy shooting!
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Anonymous Reply:
August 31st, 2009 at 9:05 am
Well you’re a fukcing idiot too!
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Christiaan Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 4:22 am
Funny it still is!
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August 28th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
Looks like ill be buying a refurbished 5d or 5d mkii now.
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Blake Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 7:25 pm
Just go look at bing.com’s shopping. They’re selling new ones through their vendors for 12-14% off, though I think that’ll end this month.
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August 28th, 2009 at 6:43 pm
What the “F” is the crop factor? I know CR sez 1.6, but many are saying it might be 1.3? Me so cornfused.
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someone Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 7:42 pm
less popcorn for you ;)
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Anonymous Reply:
August 31st, 2009 at 9:05 am
Get off the acid babyboomer!
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August 28th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
FF sensor @ $1799.99 MSRP. =)
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Thorpeland Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 6:45 pm
hahah I hope you’re right Jenny. :)
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jason Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
Sorry Jenny, but you are on crack…. never at that price with the other specs…. probably not even that price with a 1.6
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Jenny Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 6:51 pm
I’ll take up crack in order to get that price … Gotta love that crack cocaine!
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Fred C. Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
A breakfast favourite in my house for the kids…
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Jenny Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 8:32 pm
I quit freebasing crack cocaine to fund more L lenses. Way more addicting.
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JG Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
That would be awesome.
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August 28th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
DOH! I refresh the page and he adds the part about “must be APS-C”. I pray for incorrectness. lol
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August 28th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
I was hoping it would be FF as I cant believe they would make the same mistake as the 50d in giving more pixels then a 1.6 lens can handle. My hope is that like the Sony 850 it will be full frame but also able to take the EF S lenses and crop the sensor. It would be worthless to put 18mp in a 1.6 however a 1.3 would probably keep it in line with the 50d pixel density. I havent done the math on that though.
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gws Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:30 pm
If this happens to be FF and priced at $1700, who would buy 5DmkII?
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don Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:38 pm
indeed, cuz the specs are sorta better than the 5dmk2… minus the sensor which is still a mystery.
I say 1.6x
they arent going to hurt the 1 series yet… just dont know why they screwed up the naming system, now we’ll be forever lost
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John Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 9:35 am
The 50d has a pixel density of 4.7um and a diffraction limited aperture of 7.6 If the new 7D has 18mp and an APS-C sensor it would have a pixel density 4.0um and a diffraction limited aperture of 7.1
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August 28th, 2009 at 6:55 pm
What about the bestbuy leak? Price around $2,700? The camera certainly can’t be this much with a 1.6 can it?
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 6:59 pm
Could it be $2,700 & APS-H? Ef-s capable?
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Gusto Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 7:11 pm
I will pay $2700 for APS-H camera or $1800 for APS-C camera.
But MOST DEFINITELY NOT $2700 for APS-C camera.
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David Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 7:47 pm
I’ll give $2700 in monopoly money for APS-H.
$1800 USD for 7D APS-C? I’m in.
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kubelik Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:02 pm
I would be absolutely shocked if Canon tried to charge 2700 for an APS-C camera,
so I don’t think you need to get all in a bunch just yet
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test Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 9:36 am
what if it had less noise than FF?
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August 28th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
IF i am not wrong. I saw the photo leaked on this site. the camera is attached to EF-S lens therefore it must be Crop 1.6 i would believe :D guess I’ll skip this camera
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August 28th, 2009 at 7:05 pm
Wireless flash…I’m sort of a source…110% guaranteed…I’ve seen it in writing.
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50D Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 7:06 pm
then do you know the sensor size and MP size ?
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Fred C. Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 7:14 pm
No I don’t know that, only because that wasn’t mentioned on the documentation I saw. Wireless flash!!! Bet on it and take it to the bank.
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I'll buy that for a dollar! Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
Right.
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Fred C. Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
Any one skeptical will feel stupid next week…LMAO
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 8:40 pm
Where is the wireless flash emitted from? There’s no pop-up flash – at least from the images released today.
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Fred C. Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 8:49 pm
I have no idea..although do you have to have a pop up flash for wireless..aaaaaaaaaah I just know the camera has it.
Ask CR guy or put a post on the forum…
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kubelik Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:03 pm
you “know” it because the CR guy has already posted it? thanks Merlin, I’m glad you can read and pirate material at the same time
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:54 pm
Canon use IR to fire slaves. The ST-E2 doesn’t have a flash on it.
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David Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 8:04 pm
Can you get XM or Sirius radio on it?
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Fred C. Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 8:42 pm
Yes…music videos in HD…on the back of the camera….
I give up…
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the bund Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 7:32 am
“I don’t know how to put this but I’m sorta a big deal
people know me
I’m very important. I have many leather-bound books and my apartment smells of rich mahogany.”
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August 28th, 2009 at 7:06 pm
at 18MP and a APS-C I am going to have to pass. There is no way that the high ISO will be usable for anything except the web and I am not going to waste my money.
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Gusto Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 7:13 pm
I am just as shocked… especially after the 10 MP G11/S90 releases.
What happened?
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Joe Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 7:15 pm
My guess: the Canon marketing dept.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 7:16 pm
I could be wrong but the G11 is using a sony built sensor. Whereas the Canon SLR’s us Canon built sensors. This explains why the g11 has no hd video and maybe why the strategy difference?
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David Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 7:18 pm
Dual Digic 4 is what happened. I can’t wait to get this 7D with those specs. I think it is going to kick ass. I’m already starting the budget fund for it. WOO HOO!
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:02 pm
Why do you think having dual processors is going to help you? It’s going to up the frame rate, but that’s about all you can hope for (unless you are a jpg shooter)…
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ossme Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 7:31 am
I guess that they applied a new sensor technology on this one. Which allowed them to push the 7d to 18MPs.
I’m already in the waiting list. Its goning to be a great backup camera. (although I hoped for an Aps-h body).
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Gusto Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 8:34 pm
Decided to investigate further.
Taken from an article in DXOMark comparing the performance of the 15 MP 500D vs 12 MP D5000:
1) “the Canon EOS 500D sensor is nevertheless an exceptional sensor with a very small pixel pitch and very low RAW noise”
2) “the Canon EOS 500D is a bit more color blind in comparison with the Nikon D5000. To compensate, a greater degree of color processing is applied, which increases (chroma) noise”
3) “the readout noise of Canon impacts its DR measurement”
As for diffraction, it’s been pointed out over and over again that the sensor has NOTHING to do with it. The sensor merely records the limitation of the lens.
So, why am I lukewarm towards 18 MP APS-C sensors? HUGE files. Unnecessary for my needs. I don’t like to go to XSi/40D either despite their lower pixel density ‘cos the limited dynamic range and chroma noise issues pointed out by DXOMark are still there.
Sigh.
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WT Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:42 pm
That’s one reason I dumped the T1i. I saw NO improvement in sharpness or color, yet it was 15MP and 14 bit RAW for 20MB files. Who needs that? Gone.
If this cam can do sRAW at 9MP, that would be nice. 9MP most times, and can step up to 18, but only if it darn well really makes a difference!
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kubelik Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:06 pm
I didn’t like the T1i’s noise reduction engine, photos I saw from it were somewhat smeary as if some photoshopping had already been done — that being said, those were JPGs and I guess you can always use RAW.
at the same time, I’m betting on this being a killer camera. I think I’ll wait a few months for the price to calibrate and then pick it up
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:31 pm
“As for diffraction, it’s been pointed out over and over again that the sensor has NOTHING to do with it.”
You have no idea what you’re talking about.
http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/diffraction-photography.htm
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ossme Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 7:27 am
it seems that I’m not going to be the clown in the story John. :)
Yet, I should say that I hopped for an aps-h camera. O well, I guess we cannot have all what we want.
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August 28th, 2009 at 7:09 pm
If its not FF I’ll skip and get a new 1D(s)MK4 as 2nd body next to my 5DMK2 :|
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David Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
FF would have been awesome. Oh well, these specs look great though. I’m getting it.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:05 pm
I’m a bit scared of the next Canon full frame. IF the 7D is 18MP, it means the next full frame from Canon could be 47MP. That’s just stupid. Files would be like 60Mb each. WTF?
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August 28th, 2009 at 7:10 pm
Well… although it makes sense that it would be a crop sensor because of the lenses, it does however not make sense that canon would release a 18MP 1.6 crop sensor.
The pixel density on that would be insane. I could be wrong about this but keep in mind an 18MP crop sensor would be the same pixel density as a 46MP full frame sensor.
Maybe canon has advanced their technology so fare that they can offer this kind of pixel density with low noise and dynamic range. If so I would be very impressed. But!!! Why would Canon choose to offer this! The 50D was only able to resolve the same detail as many 12MP sensors because of other non mega pixel limitations, one of which being lens quality. Perhaps Canon has or will overcome all those limitations, but it seems a little far fetched.
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M Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
i think thats when the dual digic IV kicks in…more processing power
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David Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 7:36 pm
yep
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Mac dee Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 2:36 am
+1
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Mike Doughnut Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 7:38 pm
Well Dual Digic IV processors could be used to blur out all the useful detail with noise reduction! Which wouldn’t work for me, I like to shoot RAW and use 0 noise reduction!
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yep Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 7:48 pm
People just don’t understand that detail lost to noise (or diffraction) can’t just be magically recreated – regardless of how much processing horsepower you put to it.
What’s gone is gone, dual-digic IV, quad-digic IV, or octo-digic IV or not.
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David Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
Without the Digic you aren’t gonna get much RAW, this is what gives us higher bit rate for RAW, and faster processing of RAW for more fps. You don’t know what the noise level is on this sensor, it hasn’t even been announced yet.
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theskunk Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
Exactly!
Plus they need the speed to drive 18MP at 8fps! Simple as that!
And again there is no MAGIC to suddenly get rid of amp noise or shot noise.
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Gusto Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 8:37 pm
Please read DXOMark article on Canon’s APS-C sensors.
As for diffraction, sensors merely serve to record what’s already happened. High pixel density sensors do not make lens diffraction effects any worse.
However, I agree if the lens can only resolve that much, then increasing the pixel density is not going to serve any purpose.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:32 pm
Wrong.
http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/diffraction-photography.htm
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afrank99 Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 2:35 am
Actually it says, the smaller the pixels, the better:
“Are smaller pixels somehow worse? Not necessarily. Just because the diffraction limit has been reached with large pixels does not mean the final photo will be any worse than if there were instead smaller pixels and the limit was surpassed; both scenarios still have the same total resolution (although one will produce a larger file). Even though the resolution is the same, the camera with the smaller pixels will render the photo with fewer artifacts (such as color moiré and aliasing). Smaller pixels also provide the flexibility of having better resolution with larger apertures, in situations where the depth of field can be more shallow.”
This is what I am observing for more than 10 years of digital photography now.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 30th, 2009 at 10:38 pm
I love all the brilliant people that keep pointing to this article. You are COMPLETELY misreading the article if you think it claims that higher pixel density changes diffraction limit at all. Pixel density has NOTHING to do with diffraction. It is purely a function of aperture vs sensor size.
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David Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
We dont know the full specs yet, or if the RAW file processing has been improved in some way, or if the actual raw noise of the sensor has been improved.
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theskunk Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:20 pm
RAW processing darn well better not have been ‘improved’ anyway. Leave RAW alone! RAW should be RAW!
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Keith R Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 5:47 am
Does “RAW capture” sound better? I suspect that’s what is meant here.
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August 28th, 2009 at 7:11 pm
I’m keeping my 40d
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50D Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 7:13 pm
I am keeping my 50D hehe.. but we still have few days away until the final announcement. lets see what they will say in final :D
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David Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
Want mine? I’m selling it for the 7D once it goes offical!
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 7:31 pm
My 350D is definitely going to stay in the drybox for a long time. :D
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August 28th, 2009 at 7:22 pm
The neutral observer is going to take a pass on this one. He feels that 18MP on a 1.6 crop sensor is unacceptable.
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David Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 7:37 pm
Good. More for me!
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 8:38 pm
Let’s wait and see what Canon comes up with. Then i’ll decide. But sofar i’m very happy with the specs.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:55 pm
Nobody cares what the neutral observer thinks!
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The Neutral Observer Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:56 pm
:(
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ossme Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 7:35 am
lol, but I do my friend. Don’t get sad on us now. ;)
I bet that you will love the camera once you read the reviews. it my be an 18MP 1.6 crop. But canon are introducing a new sensor technology far greater and better than the old technology so things would look great. My only concern is the sharpness since its based on the Lenses.
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August 28th, 2009 at 7:26 pm
You could get the 7D and the G11 for any moderate low light conditions…:) if it’s a APS-C it will bomb. Unless they had some kind of futuristic advancement from the 50D. Maybe someone left a T2 chip behind…skynet is next.
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David Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 7:38 pm
They changed the real names for the movie. They are actually DPB’s that become self aware.
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Mac dee Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 2:40 am
Agree. DPB with a brain scary stuff. Mr miyagi do chop chop!
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August 28th, 2009 at 7:26 pm
I’m still hoping it will be a 1.3 crop.
The CR guy is saying that you cannot attach EF-S lenses on a 1.3 crop body, but thats not true. It can still be 1.3 crop and have an “APS-C” mount ring instead.
I’ve also read that the camera on the right on that poster is smaller, but thats not true either. It’s an optical illusion, look at the distances between the writings and the cameras and they look on par.
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Canon Rumors Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 7:34 pm
The issue is not the mount ring, you can attach EF-S lenses to a 1D3 and a 5D. The issue is the mirror.
Example: http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/5240/5d218200.jpg
Besides the EF-S ability, you’re not getting a larger sensor for under 2 grand. The camera is priced at $1999 Canadian, no way it’s APS-H if that information is accurate.
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Denni Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 7:38 pm
A850…
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Canon Rumors Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 7:48 pm
A850 is $2300 Canadian and missing FPS, pro af, FullHD Video. I’ll wager Sony isn’t making much on the camera body. Canon makes money. :)
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Mark Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
Pro AF? 45 points?
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Daniel Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
Thanks for making it clear. Looks like I was wrong but I was at least hoping..
Maybe they made some substantial improvments in the sensor because cramming 18mp on a 1.6 crop sensor AND bumping the base ISO to 6400 doesnt sound like a good idea.
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Gusto Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 8:41 pm
That’s about the same as the D300s. Phew….
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afrank99 Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 2:37 am
You could always use a short extension tube to get rid of the mirror-hits-the-back-of-the-lens problem.
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frankchn Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 3:51 am
and lose infinity focus?
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David Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
Noparama not gonna happen because 1. the mirror would hit the lens and 2. the diameter of EF-S glass is not wide enough to cover the sensor area so unless you REALLY like major vinetting on all your shots you dont want to do it – and even if you did, Canon isn’t gonna go for that.
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August 28th, 2009 at 7:28 pm
This isn’t going to be the “Lord of Darkness”, but the “Lord of Diffraction”.
copyright, Blake, 2009.
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David Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 7:44 pm
Is that on Audible yet?
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Rox Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 7:52 pm
I like this one :-)
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GeorgeML Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:16 pm
ROFL !!!
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Blake Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:18 pm
Tip your waitresses, I’ll be here all week.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
+1
So much for “Canon listens”. Any news yet on the multiple direct print buttons?
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Blake Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:42 pm
that’s it, bro… commit seppuku – you owe it to the rest of us. That joke is done.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
Cannon management first, me second.
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August 28th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
Well I’m hoping for a 1.3 crop with a new shutter with no mirror, so I can also take EF-s lenses.
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dani Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:59 pm
No Mirror? Count me out!
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August 28th, 2009 at 7:38 pm
Yo peeps,
the Sony a850 is FF and sub 2K. It can, and has been done. Not that that has any baring on the obvious APS-c of the 7D, but it should be noted, none the less…
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
Yes, but the sony does not have video or other features. If they came out with a ff under $2,000 no one would by the 5d Mii anymore….
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David Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 8:09 pm
Ahhhhh, throw Sony a bone. Let them have their cheap FF. In time everything gets better from the competition.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:27 pm
And in time Canon will catch up with them again…
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ABC Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 8:25 pm
The Sony is nothing compared to a Canon.
First, their 850 FF is reportedly going to sell for $1999…really, it’s 2000 and not sub-2000. It should be called the $2000 FF…sub-2k is misleading.
Second, it doesn’t have video. Video is a huge selling point these days…ask many consumers if they want video or FF, and I bet most would say video.
Third, Sony lenses don’t even come close to Canon.
Fourth, for those consumers who even know the difference between FF and APSc, most will have far more respect for Canon equipment than Sony.
Fifth, Canon still has the 5dmkii…it’s still selling out and hard to get. They really don’t need a cheaper FF to compete…people have shown they’re willing to pay the price for the 5dii.
Overall, Sony is just a newbie in the dslr market and cannot match Canon or Nikon, at least not yet. Now Sony is still a formidable competitor, esp. with their marketing heft, but I believe Canon will compete very well.
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Blake Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
I like the video on the mk2, but if given the option between that or better AF, I’d rather pay for the AF. I think a lot of people would. I know there’s some top-notch video coming out of the mk2 out there, but for serious photographers that make their money in shooting weddings, etc, I think they’re not using the video. It’s a neat gimmick and toy – I’m glad I have it, but really not a huge selling point to serious photographers, methinks.
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Gusto Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
Yes, but you aren’t getting any better AF with the Sony A850 either. :)
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Blake Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
Sony makes DSLRs? :)
Does anyone actually care? This might be the photog-snob in me coming out, but I honestly can’t imagine a serious DSLR photographer w/ anything other than Nikon or Canon.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:24 pm
Ever hear of Michael Reichmann from http://www.luminous-landscape.com? He took an A900 to Antarctica and shot ~70% of the images made there with the Sony. I think many would consider him a pro. Maybe even more than that. He actually had really good things to say about the Sony. Smoke that…
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Blake Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:26 pm
Lies! The man of whom you speak does not exist. Or, he did so because he lost a bet.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:35 pm
You are snob and posh…
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Blake Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:37 pm
My apologies. You’re right. Go buy a Sigma DSLR.
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kubelik Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:11 pm
+1 I’m glad somebody’s paying attention. people comparing the 5DMkII to the D700 certainly has merit, and there’s things Canon falls behind on. compared to the A850? please, I know everyone’s saying its a minor-ly crippled A900, but the A900 was already limping a bit
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:30 pm
+1
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Mark Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:50 pm
Let canon have the balls to come up with a canon version of d700. Let the consumers prove if they still want 5dII. canon had to add video coz they dont want to give pro af and pro seals for 5d market segment
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:34 pm
Absolutely wrong !
1) Sony A850 HAS video
2) Sony lenses are Leica… a little bit better than Canon (just a little bit… ? )
3) Sony sensors are used by canon for their compact… and both the great G11 and S90 use Sony sensors and not Canon.
So now… with a 24 M FF, auto HDR, video, 2K body… Sony kick them all. Canon and Nikon.
I am sorry, bu between a 24 M FF at 2K (Sony) and a 18 M 1.6 at 1800 USD … would oyu take the Canon ???
This HAS to be FF.
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heh Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 12:06 am
The A850 does NOT have video, you’re think of the A800.
Sony uses Zeiss lenses, not Leica.
You are correct on point re: the Sony sensor in the G11.
It’s also worth noting that the A850 has anemic (~3fps) continuous shooting, which disqualifies this camera for action use – aside from perhaps photographing paint peeling.
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Joe Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 12:07 am
Oh Snap!
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heh Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 12:10 am
Actually it’s the A900 that has video. My bad
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Mac dee Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 2:49 am
If I used Sony that means I’m retiring from pro photog. The best about Sony is their flashy marketing and the Bravia.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 2:42 am
that would be SLOW paint peeling… not that ultra quick stuff ;)
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August 28th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
This sounds to me like too many APSc models… In my opinion, this specs are what the 60D should be. I cannot find a reason to have: 2000D, 500D, 60D and 7D.
No low-cost FF this year…b
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Canon Rumors Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
Nikon has D3000, D5000, D90, D300s… it has worked quite well for them.
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Javi V Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
I would say the D300 is the one that has really worked well for them. In all the other segments Canon has much hihger mrket share.
I wish to be wrong, but such a wide product line won’t help the profits.
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Paul Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 2:25 am
Why not? They get to hit all the possible market segments. All they have to do is “sell enough” to cover development costs and it’ll make sense to put the camera out. As long as it can prevent someone else from having a solid monopoly on a segment, it makes sense to target it.
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Gusto Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:03 pm
I doubt there’s going to be a 60D.
7D is the 60D.
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Sproutey Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
No way.
2000D, 500D, 60D and 7D makes for a beautifully spread out range covering all the bases. The 7D at $1699 would be a good profit maker for Canon.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:11 pm
500D ~$900
7D ~$1,700
60D will fill in the gap very nicely at ~$1,300
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August 28th, 2009 at 8:13 pm
If the specs are right this is just an upgraded 50d. This is pretty much what you would expect of a 60d with a “few” extras. The real test for this camera will be iso results. It needs to be at least one stop better than the 40d & 50d or it will be a failure in my opinion. Hopefully there is some new sensor improvement that canon has in the bag…..
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theskunk Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 8:24 pm
The real question is not the sensor since it likely will at least match the 50D, at worst.
The real question is if it delivers pro AI Servo….
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Anonymous Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 4:44 am
>> The real question is if it delivers pro AI Servo…. <<
EXACTLY!
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Scott Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:57 pm
I’m not sure I understand when people say this is “just an upgraded 50D” when the rumored specs basically show every single component being different, with many features inherited from the xD lineup. It’s hardly a minor upgrade; it’s a lightweight pro body (just like what everyone says about the D300)
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kubelik Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:11 pm
it’s freaking awesome is what it is. can’t wait
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dani Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:10 pm
Traditional upgrades I would expect to X0D line include
Sensor, maybe FPS (and if so then just minor), slightly changed body, HD video (this round anyways).
7D includes adds (according to the speculation/interpretation of many forum members here),
Pro autofocus,
100% viewfinder
New Sensor
DUAL cards
Wireless transmitter for flash
Pro metering
possibly no built in flash
Seems to me most of the rumored ‘features’ describe a camera vastly different from the X0D line. Only thing the same as the 50D is maybe the crop factor.
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dani Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:12 pm
forgot to include dual processor
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August 28th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
If this sensor can perform anywhere close to the D300 level, this will be an incredible deal but that might be a tall order. With this kind of specs and at such a price (US $ 1700), it’s hard to argue against this camera. Let’s hope the new kit lenses don’t disappoint either. Come to think of it, this almost better than what Canon offered 2 years ago in the 1D mark III for three times the current price of $1700 and presumably without the AF flap.
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ABC Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 8:27 pm
The 7d should outperform the D300s if the rumors are true…now the price is still yet to be announced.
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GeorgeML Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 8:30 pm
+1000
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:36 pm
The Nikon D300s has a professional 51-point autofocus system. That is a huge difference.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 2:44 am
which everyone immediately down tunes down from 51 point points because it’s dog slow on a D300.
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Keith R Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 5:56 am
Crap – the D300’s AF is no better in Real World use than the one in the 40D, and indeed, in some respects the 40D is clearly better.
And yes, this is experience speaking.
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August 28th, 2009 at 8:30 pm
The numbers just don’t add up. 18MP APS-C means a 47MP count FF sensor. WTF?
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Christopher Robinson Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 8:46 pm
It makes marketting sense. Think of a sports car. It’s fast and has a lot of numbers in the engine, even if that power is never needed or used. Look at some of the posters and they’ve all got h*rd*ons for this camera.
I’d never buy a sports car (most people wouldn’t), but there is a market for it. Canon needs to make money, so are going for this…thing…I’d paint a racing stripe on it if I were Canon, and have it available in other colours.
As for me, I’ll hold out the hope for a FF at the same 18Mp (or less) and would be delighted if it’s 3fps (as is my Rebel).
cheers,
Chris
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:43 pm
Yep, this is a perfect camera for people with very small d*cks.
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fotoray Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
Boy, I really like the idea of racing stripes – make mine red!
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Rox Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
Oh men, do you think they could fit a yellow crest with a black horse in it !!! Specially if it’s made red.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:17 pm
A direct print button with a yellow crest and a black horse in it. I’m sold!
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kubelik Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:13 pm
the one way is does make sense, is that it kills the argument by people who say that the “extra reach” of the 1.6x crop is bogus. while that may be true, it no longer is true of the 50D or this 7D if it is 18MP. you are now getting more pixels than you would if you simply shot with FF and then cropped down
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August 28th, 2009 at 8:32 pm
Great news if the price is indeed $1699.
Good move, Canon.
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Eric W. Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 8:46 pm
I would agree it’s a good price, but there’s no way there’s also a 60D still in the works in that case, right?
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kubelik Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:15 pm
maybe. or maybe the 60D goes down to a $1300-1400 price mark and becomes basically a 50D with video capacity and some fairly minor tweaks. otherwise there’d be a pretty big gap in the line between the T1i and the 7D
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:19 pm
With the 500D at about $800 and the 7D at $1,700 what do you suggest Canon should do with the $900 gap?
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Eric W. Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:58 pm
Well first, I don’t think gaps in price should dictate where new tiers are necessary, espcially since price is not a reflection of materials, man-labour costs, or even spec gaps but rather what the consumer will pay. I’ll admit though that money-tight photographers might be looking to upgrade from the xxxD without hitting $1,700.
If we say that the 50D will get split into two tiers in the next generation — something about the same or perhaps a little better than what one might have expected from the 60D and something a little less than what one might have expected from the 60D — then the 7D fills the first role while the spec of the 50D fills the second role just fine. It’s not so much that a camera between $800 and $1700 won’t fit or shouldn’t exist, just that spec-wise, it’s got to be between the 50D and 7D, which aren’t much more than a 1-year gap along them same xxD product line themselves. This basically means a camera that adds video to the 50D and just about nothing else (”50Ds”) at something like $1200-1300. Then again, I guess there will always be those who’ll buy it because it fits their needs and is simply less than the 7D. If that’s the case, I’d expect the forthcoming “50Ds” to be called the 60D, but it wouldn’t be the 60D people were expecting, which is more to my point above.
The 60D that was to be a great step up from the 50D (unlike its own step up from the 40D) will not see release. Maybe something along the lines of the “50Ds” branded as a 60D may see release, but nothing that’ll be a “killer” or “classic” for its respective tier. In other words, had the 7D been a $2700 beast pushing 12~15fps on a new kind of 18MP sensor, the 60D would still be something many would be looking forward to as a sizable upgrade to their 50D. As is, those 50D owners can almost certainly discount whatever the 60D turns out to be. They’re either looking at the 7D or nothing. That’s what I meant to say, more or less.
Then again, Canon may release a 60D that outdoes the 7D, and we’ll all be banging our heads on the wall trying to understand Canon as usual. ;)
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GeorgeML Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:57 pm
I think the 50D will be replaced by a camera with mostly the same specs – but with a lighter and more compact body. The price will be $1000-1100.
So, there will be a $300 gap between the Rebel and this new camera and a $600 gap between the new camera and the 7D.
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Joe Cool Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
Where is that figure coming from?
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Eric W. Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 8:54 pm
Update of this same rumor.
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Joe Cool Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 8:59 pm
I see, thanks.
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August 28th, 2009 at 8:45 pm
This looks about right, and likely replaces the 60d. Maybe the over $2K rumor is a new body. Maybe the next 1 series?
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August 28th, 2009 at 8:45 pm
The naming makes no sense for a 1.6x crop cam.
This is either the non-USA 60D or a full frame consumer model.
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August 28th, 2009 at 8:51 pm
If its at $1.7k it should be around 1.3-1.4k in less than a year’s time. :) This could be my 3rd body then. In the mean time I’ll be sticking with my 400D and 40D.
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August 28th, 2009 at 8:56 pm
if those “7D” specs are real and if its gonna be FF, it will be a big slap across the faces of 5DII owners
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GeorgeML Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:08 pm
Not FF.
Canon will charge at least $3300 for a FF version of the 7D.
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theskunk Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
Which would not be bad thing. In fact it would be a far, far better thing than a 5D2 or 7D OR a 5D2 and a 7D….
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August 28th, 2009 at 8:56 pm
Obviously we have to wait to see test shots from a production model but, based on the rumored specs, I am a disappointed. I was really hoping for a 60D with improved DR, AF and high ISO performance. I am also surprised that Canon would not replace the 50D since it has been a bit of a flop. The G11 gave me some hope. I was looking for…
13-14 MP
Improved AF
Better DR
6-8 FPS
Outstanding high ISO performance
Great resolution
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ABC Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:27 pm
The rumors give you most of your wish list:
improved AF
DR to be determined, but I bet it is improved
8fps
good to great high ISO performance (to be seen when model is released and we see samples)
great resolution
The only diff between the rumors and your wish list is you wanted 13-14 MP and the 7D has 18MP
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August 28th, 2009 at 9:16 pm
if the 7D is just 12MP, it could easily burst 12 or more FPS. :)
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Anonymous Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 2:45 am
that would be quite the serious mirror mechanism upgrade to do so.
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August 28th, 2009 at 9:22 pm
If the price is definitely $1699, it’s too expensive….
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GeorgeML Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:30 pm
The 50D intro price was $1400.
For $300 you get better AF, pro metering (big one), 100% viewfinder, slightly faster fps, and more megapixels (hmm – is that better ;).
$300 more is OK for these, I guess.
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you Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:26 pm
IF it actually does AF better. The 50D has tons of cross points and they all (relatively) stink anyway.
And it sounds like they killed all of the critical helper points that are good for action photography.
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August 28th, 2009 at 9:23 pm
9 years since canon released their first dslr..
4 years since they introduced a new ‘pro’ line(5d)
If I remember correctly–the 5d was ahead of it’s time, and is simply known as a classic!
Fast-forward 4 years.. Canon introduces the 7d..
As far as I can see.. There is no middle ground with this release. It is either going to be an engineering marvel and a classic for years to come..
Or the biggest flop in dslr history to date..
*the 50d struggles with 15mp and 3200 ISO..
yet the 7d has 18mp and an auto ISO to 6400..
Either there has been a HUGE improvement in canon’s sensor technology and the 7d is the next ‘classic’.. Or the ultimate ‘Fail’!
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Gusto Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:02 pm
Well said.
Canon must be off their rockers to start a new line with a flop.
But everyone has a major failure one time or another.
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kubelik Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:19 pm
you forget that in reality there’s a lot of room for products that people both love and hate. you don’t need 100% of the population to love your product for it to be a financial success, nor will you ever have everyone love a product. the Oly EP1 is probably the most heralded recent camera product on the market; there’s a fair share of people that can’t stand it, however (including myself).
just remember, you could be screaming disaster while lots of other people are cheering in the streets — and you could both be right at the same time. it’s a matter of opinion. ultimately, its Canon’s game to lose, so I’m pretty sure they’re taking what they do pretty seriously
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Blake Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
Yep, it’s either APS-H and therefore will give Canon a very nice trump card against Sony’s $2K A850 monster and Nikon’s D300s,
or it’s APS-C with 18m very tiny pixels, giving it a diffraction-limited aperture of something like f/6.3 and will have more per-pixel noise than the 50D which has more per-pixel noise than the 40D…
or they’ll have pulled off some very fancy engineering tricks to make 18mp not suck at APS-C sizes. Maybe the “lord of darkness” bit is that it really pixel-bins at 9mp sRAW and has cleaner shots than a 5DII at ISO6400.
who knows. I’m hoping for APS-H with APS-C being a speed-crop hat trick. We’ll see.
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August 28th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
Say this is announced on the 1st September, what are peoples thoughts on when it will hit the shelves?
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HighBreed Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:11 pm
Hopefully before Nov.
If not I hope we see a 5D2 restock before Nov.
The only other option I would have is eBay :(
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August 28th, 2009 at 9:31 pm
I am thinking the same thing so many others have posted here. An APS-C at 18mp… after the 50D’s high ISO performance??? Canon has either reinvented the wheel or we’re in for a surprise.
Keep in mind, although the rumor post shows a couple APS-C lenses, there are no photos’ of any of the actually mounted on the camera. This almost makes me think Canon is squeaking out some false rumors to keep us off the real story.
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Ryan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:19 pm
The posted shows an EF-S lens on the camera
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Ryan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:19 pm
**posted = poster
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Thorpeland Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 12:27 am
No. There is a lens on that camera. But the only thing readable on i the lens is “Canon Zoom….” Then the rest is blurred too badly. I am unable to clearly see an EF-S anywhere on there.
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Ryan Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 12:30 am
So you think those letters after Canon Zoom Lens that obviously consist of 2 letters a “-” and then another letter are something other than “EF-S”? If so, you’re delusional.
That’s an EF-S lens.
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Thorpeland Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 1:08 am
None of the writing on that poster is clear enough to really make it out. I’ll believe what I see on Sept. 1st.
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August 28th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
18 megapixel in 1.6? utter crap. way to cater to megapixel race. I hope this is not true.
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August 28th, 2009 at 10:03 pm
If this is 1699, it’s a steal. And at 1699 it will destroy Nikon D300s sales…it will be cheaper yet have more features.
This will be a very serious aps-c camera for a pretty darn good price.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:16 pm
Yes, if the noise levels are equal or better than the D300. That is the key…..
Iso performance will determine the fate of this camera…
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kubelik Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:19 pm
hell, if the noise levels look like the 50D’s even I’ll buy it
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yarrayering Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:23 pm
“This will be a very serious aps-c camera for a pretty darn good price.”
yeah, except that it will suck at high iso perfortmance. If it`s apsc with 18 mps, it will no way have a better iso performance than that of the 50d let alone the d300.
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ABC Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
No one knows yet about the high iso performance, but remember, technology advances. I don’t think Canon is so stupid as to release a cam at this pricepoint with poor high iso performance.
My guess is that this will pleasantly surprise a lot of people…
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August 28th, 2009 at 10:10 pm
The noise is going to bad.
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August 28th, 2009 at 10:19 pm
My wish was for a FF, pro AF, 12-16MP camera. The 7D fails in every possible way.
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Paul Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 2:31 am
You not getting your wish = everyone else fails? Hah.
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J-Man Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 4:16 am
FF, pro AF, with full weather sealing.
no noise out to 1600 iso.
basically what the 5D2 should have been.
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August 28th, 2009 at 10:21 pm
For me, Canon’s continued use of 1.6 crop seems to be a financial decision. As evidence by many posts consumers are ok with spending close to two thousand dollars on a cropped sensor. Why should Canon sell a superior product when they can continue to make money with a cropped sensor and sell EF-S lenses . Also, if FF is important the 5D is selling well enough. I, like many, was hoping for a $2000 FF to support my L lenses and enjoy the full benefits of FF. I still think there is a gap in the line from Rebel, 50D, 7D and 5D. A cheaper FF would fit in nicely, but not this year. At close to 2000.00 I might as well spend the extra for the 5D. That will be my next purchase if no FF come to the market sooner.
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kubelik Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:26 pm
it’s because EF-S is awesome financially for Canon. Even though there are people out there who can spend $2000 on a budget FF body, there are far fewer people out there who can drop basically $1400+ on every additional lens they buy. the EF-S line is like a gateway drug, you get a cheap body, you get cheap lenses. people then either stay with an EF-S system, or start purchasing better glass (the reason no EF-S glass will ever receive the L classification). once they have a few pieces of L glass, they want to make full use of that glass, and will upgrade to a FF body.
if canon went straight FF, they would be looking at:
$2K camera body + 1 or 2 L-series lenses
the way it is now, they get:
$800 for a Rebel kit, about 1K spent on EF-S glass
$2.5K for a 5DMkII, + 1 or 2 L-series lenses
money
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Sashka Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 7:08 am
That’s what happened to me…
I bought my first SLR (the 450D and a couple of EF-S lenses)less than a year ago. Now I have acquired the 35/85/135L’s plus a tilt and shift and have no choice but to upgrade to FF to get these lenses to work in their proper focal length.
Canon sure knows how to take money off us obsessive-compulsive addicts! Guess I have to pony up for the 5DII (the 5D won’t work for me as you really need live-view for tilt-shift).
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August 28th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
They should have at least made this one APS-H sell it at @ $1.7k. This will really beat the crap out of the D300s sales.
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El Photo Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:32 pm
Agreed! A FF at 2000 is the next progression. I wonder if Nikon will come out with one prior to Canon. Serves them right. I was irritated when I bought my 40D and the D300 was released and is superior. Time will tell.
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Gusto Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:56 pm
Nikon is in dire straits financially. You won’t be hearing much from them in the next couple of years.
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Paully walnuts Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:55 pm
If ever there was a time to set a lower price point for a body.. It’s with the 7d.
With potential new customers switching from Nikon, Canon could actually take a loss on the body. The reason being- – the ‘converts’ will be sportshooters and wildlife photogs. And we all know which lenses they buy– the BIG white ones!!
The $100 dollars they lose on the 7d will be more than offset by the $5000 they spend on a 200L .. And the $4000 on a 300 2.8..
With 18mp.. The 7d will Demand you spend some $$$ on lenses
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tony Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 1:51 am
I’m sick of people comparing canon 40D to Nikon D300, , D300 was superior? yes, but only a slight margin but thy selling more than 1.5-2X more expensive than canon 40d,
canon is much offer better value for their camera, it is not fair to compare two of these camera, because the price different is huge . for the price , canon is better value camera, how u compare canon 40D to Nikon d40( 40d selling 1.5x more expensive to Nikon d40), 100% , canon it’s much a better camera, In New Zealand nikon d300 selling for $3000, canon 40d only $1400, even 50d only $2000, nikonD90 selling $2100, u see what u get from Nikon with the same money also for their glass, still plactic body and slow camera from them,
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Anonymous Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 5:46 am
the Nikon D300 / D300s are far better cameras in every single repsect than any Canon APS-C camera body produced so far.
I have no problem spending slightly more than whatever a D300s costs for an excellent Canon APS-C camera – if the Canon is also at least slightly better than the Nikon D300s.
It is complately insane, that Canon did not offer theri customers such a camera much sooner. Those who want to spend less and get less could have still bought any of the rebels.
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August 28th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
how much will the price of the 50d go down when the 7d comes out?
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J-Man Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 4:20 am
depends on how the 7D is received.
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August 28th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
Taken from Northlight on 12-Sep 2007:
“Canon is very excited about a next generation CMOS sensors they are working on. Two full frame versions have 40M and 50M pixels at the -same- noise level as the current 1D series. Low power supply voltages give cooler chips and lower noise even with smaller pixels. Different circuit fabrication techniques also promise to make close to 100% of the sensor area active pixels. This technology won’t make any of the upcoming models, but is expected in 2009/10.”
The 18 MP APS-C (equivalent to 47 MP FF) sensor is the first partial fulfillment of the above rumor two years ago.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:35 pm
Wow, I wish that were true….. if so it would destroy the competition…..and be a kick a_s camera! Put me on the preorder list…
Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t Nikon get its sensors from sony and not actually design them? Whereas Canon designes is own SLR sensors? Maybe Canon is that far ahead?
I did read somewhere that the g11 does have a sony sensor in it which might explain the mp decrease & lack of HD video.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:44 pm
Ever hear of backside illumination? It’s a pretty sweet technology where the light actually shines through the back side of the silicon sensor. The benefit is the distance to the photosite is significantly reduced and the distance from the CFA (color filter array) is drastically reduced. It’s touted to improve noise performance by over two stops. Now guess who is the first company to bring this technology to market? Sony. Bummer hu because that mean Nikon has it too…
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Anonymous Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 5:55 am
In terms of CMOS image sensors I don’t think Sony can do anything Canon could not do. If anything its the other way round.
Sony brought the Exmor R backlit sensors. The verdict on image quality is still out, until serious tests on production samples of the new Alphas are available.
Canon could combine any or all of the measures in their next CMSO image sensors:
* lower voltage/cooler chips
* backlit design
* strill better gapless microlenses
* or even black silicium :)
I really hope the competitive situation has turned up the heat on Canon sufficiently to deliver big time with the 7D. Its about time the bring a real D300/s killer.
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Gusto Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 9:16 am
It’s untested. And for all you know, it may benefit small sensors most.
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mike Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:42 pm
Or, it is proof that it is a bad idea to make predictions about when you can bring new technology to market.
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mike Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:48 pm
BTW, that sounds a lot lot like gapless microlens, which I believe has already made its way into several high end cameras (D3 & D700, probably the 5D MKII). And the current 1D series isn’t all that impressive when it comes to noise.
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dani Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:20 pm
gapless microlens is part of it, but there is also the low voltage chip design which is very important as well. 50 MP at the same noise as current 1D/s would be impressive. More impressive would be the pixel level noise if they kept the resolution low. Few people need files that big, or have lenses that resolve 50Mp
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:37 pm
No, that sounds nothing like gapless microlenses.
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mike Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 8:07 am
So what does “100% of the sensor area active pixels” sound like, some new lensless sensor?
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Anonymous Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 2:50 am
no, these are “cold running sensors” with a lower bias voltage and far less dark current noise .. they also have some other tricks up their sleaves as well.
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August 28th, 2009 at 10:54 pm
One of two options is true:
1) the critics are right and Canon engineers totally overlooked what some commenters on this threat quickly got: that this is too many megapixels for a crop sensor, and thus the higher iso noise will suck. If only the execs at Canon had bothered to post something on a website like this asking for input before they made such a big mistake.
2) Canon knows what they are doing and will blow people away on Sept 1.
I vote for option 2.
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kubelik Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:27 pm
second
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don Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:47 pm
second, but i wasnt blown away with the 50D
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Keith R Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 6:06 am
I think it’s safe to suggest that the 50D was a “holding response” while Canon’s pre-designed roadmap played itself out – bear in mind that what we’re seeing now was first on a drawing board about three years ago.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 6:03 am
i vote for option 3:
sensor and IQ-wise no disaster but certainly nothing to be blown away by.
18 MP on APS-C in the 7D will deliver about the same image quality as a 40D and 50D.
dynamic range and noise will again remain at roughly the same level as before, while the increase in nominal sensor resolution (12 MP – 15 MP – 18 MP) brings no visible advantages in real world conditions.
Aside from that, if all other rumored specs of the 7D would indeed be correct (and will work as expected):
* greatly improved AF, especially Servo-AF/Tracking
* better metering
* 100% viewfinder
* including built-in wireless E-TTL2 flash control master
* MSRP of USD 1699
now that would “blow me away”.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 11:27 am
All three will be correct in their own way 1, 2, & 3.
1. the people who wanted a “lord of darkness” will be disappointed, as will those who noticed the lack of contrast in the 15Mp APS-C cameras.
2. Sports people will be “blown away” by the better 8fps and an AF that can keep up (and will brag about the 18Mp being bigger than 15Mp). I’ll throw in birders too, who may actually need the 18Mp for cropping.
3. Everyone else will conclude that Canon was simply able to get roughly the same ISO performance as the 40D and 50D, with incremental tweaks.
It’s market segments people. That’s the key to understanding what Canon is doing. Sooooo….people like me have to speak loudly to say there’s a market for a less expensive FF (astronomy timelapse, indoor events, music concerts, and general low light).
cheers,
Chris
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Christopher Robinson Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 11:36 am
Ooops, forgot to sign in before I posted the above.
chris
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August 28th, 2009 at 10:54 pm
Something doesn t add up. I mean 18mp APS-C – No way that s going to put out a good picture DR and ISO wise at least not with the technology currently available. APS-H is dead, no EF-S lenses means less potential buyers, plus you have an issue with the FF wide angle lenses and FF with the mentioned specs and 1700USD price tag again doesn t add up. Because then they can kiss the sales of the 5D MkII goodbye, unless the price for it will go down at least for 800-1000USD, which of course will not happen in this life time. So if we look closely, the only camera missing in the Canon line up is a D300s competitor – a semi pro APS-C body. I think 7D will be an APS-C I just seriously hope it is not going to be a 18mp camera (unless we see a revolution in sensor development), because it s not going to work properly.
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Gusto Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:06 pm
The 15 MP 500D/50D has SNR as good as the 12 MP D5000/D90/D300s at high ISO.
Canon’s problem is in read (electronic) noise. If they can tame that beast, we’ll see a marked improvement in DR.
The other issue with Canon is in their non-uniform color sensitivity which leads to chroma noise. Not sure how they’ll deal with that.
No EF-S lenses? They’re about to release EF-S 15-85 IS ad 18-135 IS.
Nikon doesn’t do that well with their wide angle lenses either apart from their groundbreaking 14-24 f/2.8. Take a look at the atrocious optical performance of their recently released DX 10-24 @ 10 mm. Yiiiikes.
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Photoenigma Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:13 pm
Read carefully. What I was saying is that APS-H can t accept EF-S lenses. Canon has some good EF-S lenses, and many buyers have allready invested in EF-S. I was saying there would be no point in makeing 7D APS-H because of that. And I know what problems Canon has IQ wise. I m saying that with the technology currently shown to us, they can t make an 18mp sensor outpreform a 12-15mp one.
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Gusto Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:30 pm
Sorry for the misunderstanding but your previous post was a little hard to read. ;)
I agree the 18 MP sensor better spot some revolutionary technology. Or Canon will be made a laughing stock for starting a new camera line with a dud. LOL.
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Keith R Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 6:08 am
“Read carefully.”
Paragraphs would help – seriously, you just press the “Enter” key a couple of times.
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August 28th, 2009 at 10:59 pm
No people is going to buy 7D if it is APS-C sensor…
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:42 pm
Except me. Thank god, I won’t have to wait long for it.
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Rojak Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 12:47 am
I will.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 2:51 am
I will as well .. next theory?
as a matter of fact, it the ISO performance is on a half decent image level comparison between the 7D and prior XXD series bodies .. I just may buy your copy that you aren’t buying .. and get two.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 6:06 am
I will for sure, if the specs and rumored pricepoint are correct and the sensor delivers IQ on a par with 50D (or better).
Aside from the 18MP its everything I wanted already in my 40D.
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Keith R Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 6:09 am
Me too, if we see the improved chip technology that would really be needed to make this work out.
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August 28th, 2009 at 11:10 pm
frick…. I wanted more than 8 FPS!!! that sucks… call it a 60D already…
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Mr. Swan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:21 pm
you’re an idiot!
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the bund Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 7:41 am
I’m either an idiot..
or a surf photographer who wants high fps in a smaller body than a 1DMk3 so that his camera housing is smaller lighter and more maneuverable in big surf.
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Eric W. Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 12:04 am
Agreed on wanting a slightly higher FPS rate. This is regardless of the “18MP = more noise debate”, but adding to it, I wouldn’t have minded getting a 12~15MP sensor and a few more FPS out of it. It’d just mean even better noise control beyond whatever magic they’ve been able to work into 18MP.
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theskunk Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 12:21 am
You also need a better mirror/shutter, physical parts that might cost more to run at 12fps.
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Eric W. Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 4:20 am
Well I was ready to pay $2700, so they still would have had $1000 to get those better parts in there. :)
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August 28th, 2009 at 11:26 pm
I will buy this camera at this price. I think it’ll be a bomb!
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Anonymous Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 12:49 am
Bomb means failure. I’m a little confused by what you said.
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the seller Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 2:12 am
maybe he meant to type “da bomb”
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August 28th, 2009 at 11:47 pm
They SHOULD have made it:
Full Frame
12 MP
12 FPS
Pro AF
Pro Weather Sealed
Super High ISO
Perfect Camera…
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The Bird Is A littletinyword Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 12:22 am
They SHOULD have made it 3D:
Full Frame
18+ MP
6+ fps
Pro 25pt AF (19 + 6 assists)
Perfect Camera…
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Anonymous Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 6:07 am
that one should and hopefully will come next. :)
For now its APS-C time. Looking forward to the 7D.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 9:49 am
That sounds exactly like a full frame 1D mkIV, that would cost $3.5k+, not a mid-range one at all.
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August 28th, 2009 at 11:59 pm
I was thinking, what if its was a radical departure for a sensor format ?
a 16:9 aspect ratio sensor ? Something like a 26.7×15mm sensor ? It will fit a EF-S nicely and a nice 1.2x surface area increase, which effectively has the same pixel density as the 50D/500D … ? And EF lenses will work properly, giving a wide 16:9 aspect ratio in shots.
Radical yes no doubt, but one of the CR threads mentioned movie capabilities outstripping even the 5DMkii didn’t it? So why not a sensor size optimized for movies and can be used for both EF-S and EF lenses. A ‘normal’ FF lens being able to fully utilize the sensor instead ?
Since no one has confirmed a crop size, so I’m speculating here… :p
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Anonymous Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 12:08 am
You say speculating… I say full of S#!@$
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maxxevv Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 12:31 am
Well, then you shouldn’t even coming here then. This is a RUMORS board isn’t ?
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fotoray Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 12:11 am
Doesn’t the APS-H have a 16:9 aspect raio, whereas the APS-C is 3:2??? And the 16:9 aspect ratio exactly matches the HD movie format for viewing on HD TV sets.
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theskunk Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 12:20 am
Is the 1d2 16:9? Is the 1d3 16:9? Are they APS-H?
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Richard Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
Way back in the days of film APS-H had a 16:9 ratio. 15mp APS-C would work out to about 18mp wide APS-C if you kept the vertical height the same. Maybe a week ago I would have seriously entertained the notion of a wide sensor, but given the realistic specs on this camera it clearly seems the video feature will be an added goodie and not its primary function (like the 5DII)
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maxxevv Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 12:31 am
Last checked,
the 1DmkIII runs a 28.7 x 18.7 mm (3:2) APS_H sensor
the 1DsMkIII runs a 36 x 24 mm (3:2) sensor
the 500D runs a 22.3 x 14.9 (3:2) APS-C sensor
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XenonBee Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
I like the way you think, maxxevv. I hope it’s true. It’s the only theory I’ve heard that puts some sense behind an 18mp APS-C format that is also somehow highly sensitive and low noise.
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August 29th, 2009 at 12:28 am
they are just too stupid for not making 7D a full frame
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Gusto Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 9:20 am
I bet there were more D300s units sold than the D700. Was Nikon stupid too? :)
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August 29th, 2009 at 12:32 am
Take a look at the small EOD 7D picture currently at the top of
http://www.canonrumors.com/
This picture clearly shows a flash release button to the left of the EOS 7D logo. This button is found on all xxD cameras – and they all have pop-up flash. Yet the rumored specs for the 7D apparently indicate no built-in flash. This info is in obvious conflict. The EOS 7D picture is a Photoshop job – or the 7D has built-in flash.
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Scaly photographer Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 2:18 am
I agree with you, and unfortunately the built-in flash (as simple and uncomplicated as it may be) is a requirement for me, because I know the day will come when I want to do a quick macro shot at F16 but I won’t have a twin flash with me.
As for it not being on the spec list: well, all the XXXD and XXD bodies had it and I don’t think it qualifies as “technological enough” to be added on the box. Just my views, and I REALLY REALLY hope it has a built in flash, and that it is just well hidden on the leaked/faked photos!
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frankchn Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 4:02 am
Or someone somewhere mixed up the specs between the 7D and the 60D.
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August 29th, 2009 at 12:40 am
No mention of weather sealing ?
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August 29th, 2009 at 12:56 am
canon knows what they are doing. planning and development of this model started even years ago. requirements, specification and considerations made back then are not the same as today. so what we require now, may be released few years later. of course by then, market demand will also be different
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someone Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 2:14 am
It might have more than 19 AF points. 1 and 5 series boxes/promo have 9 and 19 point AF icons NOT 15 and 45. Canon does not list assist points on their little info icons.
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August 29th, 2009 at 3:13 am
why do u need a built in flash? we only need external flash, thats it!
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Anonymous Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 9:11 am
It ends up being a lot more handy than you think. no, not for sports or wildlife…. but you’d be surprise how handy that weak little flash can be in a pinch.
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August 29th, 2009 at 3:13 am
A small crop body with the characteristics of a 1D series is a good move for wildlife togs who need the focal length adjustment. Not sure about 18MP though….seems a push since even the 50D limits itself to f8 before defraction becomes a problem! I would have prefered a small camera 18MP on a FF or 15MP on a 1.3xcrop. I guess we will see. Hopefully soon!
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someone Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 8:18 am
Maybe that’s a good sign for the 60D then. It could be that Canon want’s to please those who love high MP with the 7D and all those who cry now will be satisfied with a 12-14MP 60D.
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August 29th, 2009 at 3:52 am
18MP @ ASP-C??? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!111111111
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August 29th, 2009 at 4:09 am
Could not it be a new crop from canon?
Let´s say x1.5 (like nikon, pentax, etcc) or better, x1.4 which could take EF-S lenses and pack more pixels
I think Canon should look in that direction for EF-S lenses owners who want a real upgrade
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August 29th, 2009 at 4:14 am
you know what?
if canon can pull off a good image quality out of that sensor i’m quite happy it’s a aps-c. I love the 5d2 image quality, but for nature photography i miss the snappyness of the crop cameras (xxD) and the extended range. it would be a great complement to a 5D2.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 11:44 am
you’re exactly the target market if this camera body holds up.
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August 29th, 2009 at 5:07 am
Looks like half love it half hate it.
Let’s hope there is more than the 7D being released this year.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 7:13 am
quite simple:
half of us are waiting for an affordable professional-grade APS-C Canon -> (hopefully) the rumored 7D
and half of us are waiting for a fast, professional grade FF camera significantly smaller and cheaper than a 1Ds -> 3D
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Habemus_Nigh-Kwon Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 7:28 am
Sure, granted, we’re all waiting for a pro-class cropper, but surely not 18MP for a tiny APS-C sensor, at least make it APS-H! Or go back to 10-12MP if they really wanna use the APS-C size. Barring any miraculous CMOS sensor dev’t from Canon in the last year, it’s just 18Million diffraction-soft, noise reduction-smeared pixels.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 9:51 am
Half love… half hate… and 100% ignorance until we actually see one. No one knows hows the camera will actually perform, so the calls of “I’m switching to Nikon TODAY!” are empty blathering from stupid ignorant chucklef@#%s
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August 29th, 2009 at 5:50 am
Canon 7D, specifiche ed un’altra foto?…
Questa che vedete in copertina dovrebbe essere l’immagine di un poster per l’uscita della nuova Canon 7D.
Il prezzo, confermato da più fonti, di questa reflex negli Stati Uniti dovrebbe essere di 1699$. Non ci sono riferimenti alla dimen….
August 29th, 2009 at 6:11 am
A question about the ISO range:
100-6400 but this means INCLUDED the H1 and H2 option or these last two are still outside of the range?
That’d mean 7D can reach 25600ISO …
Or, on the contrary, that’d means the highest “normal” ISO is 1600 then you have two further stops in the HIGH mode.
who knows about it?
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Nogginthenog Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 10:15 am
Canon do not usually include extended range iso’s on sales media.
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August 29th, 2009 at 6:25 am
No people will buy if 7D is a crop sensor… PLEASE MAKE 7D A FULL FRAME CAMERA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Spam Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 6:39 am
I might. I don’t want FF, but I don’t have anything against FF either. Sensor size isn’t particurlary important. I’d like the camera be fairly small though. To me size and weight is more important than sensor size.
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August 29th, 2009 at 6:47 am
we know canon well. people ask for at least 1.3, so it will be 1.6 crop.
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August 29th, 2009 at 6:59 am
I agree with what someone else posted: no matter what Canon would release, half will love it and half will bash it.
It’s also funny to read people criticizing performance of a camera not even released or tested yet, as if they know things like the camera’s high iso performance.
Wait and see…I am sure the folks at Canon know enough to release a very good product, and one that may be groundbreaking.
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August 29th, 2009 at 7:35 am
you know what interest me the most?
this means that the 1Ds mark IV could be a 47MP camera!!
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mucher Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 7:54 am
I think, from rumor, that Canon do plan to produce a large mp camera to invade the medium format market.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 10:13 am
Why is that interesting? What, other than curse them for eating you HD space, are you going to need 47MP for that you can’t do with 21MP?
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ossme Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
well, it is interesting because this is a MF area. Suddenly, people who want High Mega pixels have would have an option other than MF. + the chearful geeky part of it. Just imagine telling someone that your camera got 47mega pixels which is 4 times as much as any high end p&s.
Personally, I’m pleased with my 5d mkII and my customrs are also as pleased. So unless there is a demand for a higher pixel then I’m not upgrading.
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August 29th, 2009 at 7:46 am
full frame will always have better image quality than crop sensors, those who said they want crop sensor has no brain
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Spam Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 7:54 am
I actually get better image quality with crop cameras (and no brain).
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August 29th, 2009 at 8:27 am
mean you have no brains.. what are you? alien?
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Spam Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 8:38 am
The no brain part was based on your statement, maybe you have a better theory? Alien seem unlikely.
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August 29th, 2009 at 8:37 am
Again, where is the movie function button on the poster?????????????????????????????
I think(hope) it’s fake!
I don’t need 18mp!
Why can’t Canon give us something that makes sense?
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Anonymous Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 9:53 am
“Why can’t Canon give us something that makes sense?”
Because what you want might be F’n stupid… I think that’s the case here.
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August 29th, 2009 at 8:51 am
These are the real specs. What has everyone concerned is the 1.6 and 18mp, but everyone is thinking in terms of current sensor technology.
Canon MUST have a major new advancement in its sensor technology, this is the only thing that would make sense. The top standard iso modes of the 50d is 3200 and this camera appears to be 6400. Canon would not do this if the noise levels did not drop or at worst stay the same. If the noise is as good as the d300 or better, it will destroy it with these specs.
Yes yes everyone critizies the 50d like it’s the worst camera ever. The reality is it’s not a bad camera and it didn’t ruin Canon. It just was not a huge advancement over the 40d that everyone hoped, which combined with Nikon and Sony offerings caused it not to sell as well as prior models. As far as noise levels being better on the 40d, this is debatable by the pixel peepers, but given the sensor size increase there is no dramatic increase in noise.
Just my thoughts….
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ian Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 9:41 am
agreed
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Anonymous Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 11:22 am
Sure a new sensor technology would reduce noise but sutch a dens sensor would nevertheless need very sharp lenses – otherwise more MP wouldn’t improve image shaprness that much. Or am i thinking wrong?
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Anonymous Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 11:41 am
yes .. you’re thinking wrong.
sooner or later people will get out of the mode of pixel peeping.
a 18Mp will resolve more than a 10Mp sensor.
printing on the same size, or cropping in just as much from one to another .. will yield no matter what lens, a better image.
print both at 16×24 .. the 18Mp will look to have a finer degree of detail .. than the 10Mp image .. no matter what lens.
photozone showed that from a 8mp sensor to a 15Mp sensor..even the cheapest lens resolved more detail on the 15Mp sensor.
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August 29th, 2009 at 9:04 am
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/8033/7d2.jpg
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ian Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 9:43 am
that’s a 5d, photochopped
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Anonymous Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 9:46 am
WOW!!! Is this real? not much detail in the shot though.
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August 29th, 2009 at 9:05 am
Pfft. If true, the marketing department pixel counters are pushing quantity over quality.
Even having the same noise level at the tired and crowded 15Mpix sensor today is step backwards.
I expected better, not more.
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August 29th, 2009 at 9:06 am
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August 29th, 2009 at 9:12 am
$1800!!! yes!
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August 29th, 2009 at 9:14 am
Well if the noise is *acceptable* to me this will be my next camera. I was saving my pennies for the 5D Mark II, but at about a $1000 less the 7D should meet my needs.
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August 29th, 2009 at 9:52 am
I am not sure if this has been discussed/answered, but…
What will the size of the 7D be? The poster sort of looks like a 1D box, and with two Digic 4 processors in the belly, I assume/guess that it will be similar to a 1D.
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Anon Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 10:04 am
Not sure about the body…but probably bigger
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August 29th, 2009 at 9:53 am
well … It’s 6400 ISO … as H2 … that means ISO 1600 is top normal … which is very loooooooooooooooooww! Ergo … this 7D appears to be a couple of stops NOISER than D50 or Nikon D300 :-(
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Anonymous Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 9:57 am
Well, it’s twice as high as what the 50D indicated on the box – and it’s 18MP… It will be interesting to see the first couple of reviews, because you know the reviewers are really going to push the noise testing.
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NHUSA Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 9:58 am
Don’t they usually “advertise” the top regular ISO and not the extended? Which would mean the H2 would be 25600
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Anonymous Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 10:02 am
Did your parents drop you on your head when you were a baby?
Canon doesn’t advertise their H1/H2 speeds, so if it says 6400 on the box, there are likely two speeds above that.
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Paully walnuts Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
I just checked my 5d2 and 50d boxes:
The advertised ISO on each are:
5d2 = 6400
50d = 3200
So the advertised ISO 6400 will be within the 7d’s auto range.. And a H1 and H2 on top of that
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August 29th, 2009 at 9:57 am
The relatively new Canon T1i has a 15MP APS-C sensor, just like the Canon 50D. However, in the newer sensor version the high-ISO performance is MUCH better. Canon has certainly advanced sensor technology since the 50D dud. I would bet that the performance of this sensor will be quite good. Of course, it would be even better if they weren’t cramming in so many MP- but I’m sure it will be a solidly performing sensor.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 10:35 am
Noise on the 500D is not improved over the 50D. Where the hell are you getting that idea?
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Anonymous Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
First the sensor of T1i and 50D are the SAME except that 50D as 4 channels, whereas T1i only has 2, which means that actually… 50D is MUCH better than T1i.
Unsurprisingly !
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August 29th, 2009 at 10:23 am
those who think 7D will be better than 5dmk2, you may go to sleep now. keep dreaming :)
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Anonymous Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 10:28 am
yeah there is no way the 7D will be better than a 5D2. as it was stated many times it will be the entry model to the xD line.
1D, 5D, 7D… I don’t even understand why people are still wondering where it will stand, it’s all pretty obvious.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
1D, 3D, 5D, 7D, 9D…..
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Anonymous Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 10:50 am
That would depend on the application. For studio work the 5D2 would be the obvious choice.
If the AF delivers though, the 7D would be the choice for action photography – which seems to be its intended market segment.
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Andy Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
I think it’s very possible that the video mode will be better in some ways. Northlight mentions 24/25/30/60 fps. The read-reset time on the sensor could be better too so we get less jello-effect when panning the camera.
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August 29th, 2009 at 10:47 am
Digic 5 ??
already Digic processor 5 in Canon Eos 1D Mark 4 and 60D not 7D why?
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Maybe..... Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
Probably because the Digic 5 is not ready for use and it’s still in testing. The xxD line was waiting for replacement for it’s yearly and now 18 month cycle. So they had to push to bring out something that will compete with the D300s and replace the staggered 50D.
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August 29th, 2009 at 10:56 am
Sounds like a great camera for a good price…. if the pixel density doesn’t screw the pooch.
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August 29th, 2009 at 10:57 am
MOOOAAAARRRRR PIXELS.
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August 29th, 2009 at 11:13 am
Why CANON does not want to understand that there is a vaste majority of photographers who don’t need 18mp and the same or just slighty improved IQ, diffraction problems and sharpness issues?
Whay Canon doesn’t understand that there are a lot of shooters who will be more then happy with a 12MP camera and better IQ?
Why this desperate rush towards more MP, when we really need is more IQ?
Why they refuse to make a better camera with today technologies? They are just using what the have to cram more mp on a chip!
Why canon doesn’t understand that the printed paper sizes remains the same over the years, and up to 12 MP is more than enough for 90% of photographers?
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Traveller Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 11:22 am
Perhaps they want to sell you a new larger format printer as well!
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somebodyelse Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
My walls at home remain the same size, and so the prints that i hang on them…
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pete Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 11:40 am
its because you’re gay.
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somebodyelse Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 11:58 am
that was very inappropriate…
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Anonymous Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
Why your so sure that new sesor is worse than any other?
Are you master physicist and top engineer to say that 18mp = bad IQ AND you work in canon JP so you can state that NEW sesor is bad. NOONE is actualy seen it, so judging anything is a bad idea.
IMHO: Sensor @ 18 MP will deliver same Noise as 40D with improved DR, period.
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August 29th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
If its 18MPs and it is better IQ and high ISO/Low noise than the 50D. Or good as the 5D MKII….. Than yes good job Canon. I wiil be in line for the 7D.
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Adam Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
now after seeing the 7D pic (see my recent comment), I wonder if I should jump to Nikon or not, hmmm…the built-in flash commander does sounds interesting and one of my reason to jump to Nikon, I do prefer the vast selection of Canon lenses but I love Nikon lenses as well, I do prefer Nikon ergonomic but as from the pic, it seems Canon decided to update its ergonomics, hmmmmmm
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August 29th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
I like the price, dont care about stats :0
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August 29th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
YOu know what, if it’s 18mp and it’s the SAME low noise performance as the 50D, I’d be happy.
But here’s the big, effing important question:
WILL THERE BE MANUAL VIDEO CONTROL?
“HD” video means nothing, it could be totally useless if it comes out as crippled as the 5dmkII was when it was released.
PLEASE canon, please let there be manual video control on this camera!
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August 29th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
New 7D picture on Fred Miranda.
Sorry if’t beeing posted already.
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/808502
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Anonymous Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
Its a 5D MKII BODY!!!!!
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Dan Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
It does not look like it has a pop up flash!!
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Anonymous Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Are you F’n blind? You can see the split on the top of the body where the flash is, AND the button for it on the left.
This also looks like it matches the previous 7D pictures, including the plastic top piece picture.
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August 29th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
Thanks, I hadn’t seen those. The pop-up flash is clearly visible in those shots.
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August 29th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
If the 7D with the current specs turns out to be as good as the 5D MKII with a small sensor than wait for the 1D MKIV. That will be an all around DSLR killer. It just might look like this:
USA $6999 Body
17-20mp Improved FF CMOS
- Dual Digic 5 Proccesors-
- 11-16 FPS
- 45-60 Improved AF Points
- ISO 100-12800. L-50, H1-25600, H2-51200 up to 2-Stops improvement in noise from 5D MKII.
- 63-70 Improved Metering zones
- 100% viewfinder with Horizon Meter
- 3.25-3.50″ OLED HD LCD
- 1080p, 720p 60/30/24FPS HD Video
-In-Camera Editing
And don’t forget 3 Direct Print Buttons!!!!!
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theskunk Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Do you really think they want a $2700 to $7000 gap? With struggling newspapers, etc. For all pros to the $7000 per body level??
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Anonymous Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
HELLOOOOOO, its just a wish list!!!!!!!
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August 29th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
hey guys, it seems from this http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/ufiles/66/362266.jpg that the 7D will get the AF Assist light, similar to Nikons? Near the shutter button (white round shape) and is it me or the LCD looks positioned really low and the wheel has been moved a bit further out nearer to the grip and that the top display looks more slanted then previous?
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August 29th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
100mm macro w/ IS:
http://bbs.fengniao.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1358640
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August 29th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
that is not only a 100m macro with IS, it is an L macro! (first one in canon lens lineup?)
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Wolfgang Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
180mm is L also
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briveira Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
you’re right!
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August 29th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
Too many megapixels is not really bad. I have 50D and my 15MP image already covers 3 monitors at 100%. Approximately 9-12 years from now the same image will be equivalent to 1920×1200 where it will fit on a single monitor. You might not need it now but my 1 year old kit surely will appreciate me taking raw images of her in the most number of megapixels.
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August 30th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
THOSE PICS OF THE CAMERAS AT BEST BUY ARE FAKE !!!!
I WORK AT BEST BUY, AND THEIR NOT IN THE SYSTEM YET !!!
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August 31st, 2009 at 1:28 am
Is 7D/60D a Full Frame? i am holding my purchase on the 5D MarkII for this release from a month……
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